The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.
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Kinda curious what some of you think about JK Dobbins? I can’t help but like him. Gritty player with some speed and moves, but l wonder if he’s considered undersized and l’m not sure he’s got the hands you want for a 3rd down back. Never fumbled at OSU. That’s something.
Second round, at least, if now low 1st. Not for the Browns, given our needs.....but fairly high, now that the league is back to drafting RBs high.
Second round, at least, if now low 1st. Not for the Browns, given our needs.....but fairly high, now that the league is back to drafting RBs high.
One mock l saw had him going low second round. The mock did indicate his stock was rising though.
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Second round, at least, if now low 1st. Not for the Browns, given our needs.....but fairly high, now that the league is back to drafting RBs high.
One mock l saw had him going low second round. The mock did indicate his stock was rising though.
One mock l saw had him going low second round. The mock did indicate his stock was rising though.
ONE mock? Out of how many hundreds?
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One mock l saw had him going low second round. The mock did indicate his stock was rising though.
ONE mock? Out of how many hundreds?
ONE mock? Out of how many hundreds?
Many mocks don’t go past the first round yet. It was the only one l saw that did.
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I see maybe two Off Tackles worthy of #10 overall pick after that we are reaching. So I think best player available not at QB, RB or WR is the way to go there.
Agree on OTs, but don't dismiss idea of trading down. There are three teams within five picks of us who are in need of a QB.
Agree on OTs, but don't dismiss idea of trading down. There are three teams within five picks of us who are in need of a QB.
I don’t see it this season.
we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that
13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
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Kinda curious what some of you think about JK Dobbins? I can’t help but like him. Gritty player with some speed and moves, but l wonder if he’s considered undersized and l’m not sure he’s got the hands you want for a 3rd down back. Never fumbled at OSU. That’s something.
Kinda curious what some of you think about JK Dobbins? I can’t help but like him. Gritty player with some speed and moves, but l wonder if he’s considered undersized and l’m not sure he’s got the hands you want for a 3rd down back. Never fumbled at OSU. That’s something.
Better than some speed... One site I use puts his 40 time in 4.30-4.88 better than a tenth faster than Clemson's Etienne. Well see what's what at The Combine.
I like JK as well. He's not undersized. At 5'9 and 217 he's right in there with compact backs all over the NFL like OAK's Jacobs (5'10, 220), CHI's Singletary (5'8, 203)... problem is that he got a lot of his yards in straight line bursts that are fewer and father between in the NFL. That said...
I don't see a R1 player... I see more R3/4. A couple decades ago he's probably a R2 talent.
One or two RBs in round 1 is pretty much the max now. Two years ago we saw 3 go, but that's an anomaly and while Saquon went early the other two went very late. You have to go back to 2008 to find more than three-R1 RBs in a draft.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Agree on OTs, but don't dismiss idea of trading down. There are three teams within five picks of us who are in need of a QB.
I don’t see it this season.
we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that
13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
I don’t see it this season. we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that 13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
For starters I do not see Tua falling far at all. Every report was that the surgery went well so I expect he'll be medically cleared by most teams.
So for me the question becomes, "How many 'can't pass' players are there in this draft?" At first take starting with Burrow that looks like 8-10 to me, so those in front of us are less likely to trade back due to FOMO.
We could be the first team to seriously entertain offers.
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I don’t see it this season. we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that 13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
For starters I do not see Tua falling far at all. Every report was that the surgery went well so I expect he'll be medically cleared by most teams.
So for me the question becomes, "How many 'can't pass' players are there in this draft?" At first take starting with Burrow that looks like 8-10 to me, so those in front of us are less likely to trade back due to FOMO.
We could be the first team to seriously entertain offers.
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
I have the week off for the holiday and a good friend of mine mentioned him at the bar Saturday. Already watched some pieces of what I could find.
He had my curiosity, but now he has my attention.
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I don’t see it this season. we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that 13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
For starters I do not see Tua falling far at all. Every report was that the surgery went well so I expect he'll be medically cleared by most teams.
So for me the question becomes, "How many 'can't pass' players are there in this draft?" At first take starting with Burrow that looks like 8-10 to me, so those in front of us are less likely to trade back due to FOMO.
We could be the first team to seriously entertain offers.
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
He's listed somewhere as an OG... RT.... but I go back and read up after you mention him, and you really have to LIKE the kid, plus, he has really been pass blocking at a very high level. I read where Wirfs' feet were just a bit questionable, but not Wills'. Now, his draft stock is rising fast. Just can't go into next season with Robinson at LT. Maybe Rt... eh...
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I don’t see it this season. we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that 13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
For starters I do not see Tua falling far at all. Every report was that the surgery went well so I expect he'll be medically cleared by most teams.
So for me the question becomes, "How many 'can't pass' players are there in this draft?" At first take starting with Burrow that looks like 8-10 to me, so those in front of us are less likely to trade back due to FOMO.
We could be the first team to seriously entertain offers.
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
For starters I do not see Tua falling far at all. Every report was that the surgery went well so I expect he'll be medically cleared by most teams.
So for me the question becomes, "How many 'can't pass' players are there in this draft?" At first take starting with Burrow that looks like 8-10 to me, so those in front of us are less likely to trade back due to FOMO.
We could be the first team to seriously entertain offers.
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
He looks good! At 10 I don’t want a solid guy he looks like he could be elite. Very athletic for a big dude. Actually looks a lot like Wirfs.
Tua may or may not drop. But the fact remains there are a ton of teams in the Top 12 that seemingly have their QB spot accounted for - I don’t know how this fact would contribute to a sellers market. The Raiders spot at 12 could be a hot spot if a QB falls because you have a host of teams just behind them that could use a QB. The Chargers are a great spot for Tua they could convince Rivers to stay for one year and they have pretty good roster that they can take a chance on a guy. Unless they elect to go Fouts 2.0 with Herbert.
and then I see guys like Jerry Jeudy and cedee lamb as top 10 guys- Sorry but these guys aren’t WR1 types. I think there are a few diamonds but for the most part Burrow and Young are ahead in this class then you have a few diamonds and bunch of good with a solid floor types in the first round
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I would keep an eye on the Clemson - LSU game to see the two safeties from each team, Simmons and Delpit. I've seen more of Delpit and he is a hitter/sure tackler with CB speed/abilities. I like him because he is always around the ball. The OT's may be gone by then and I think he may still be there as BPA in a need position for the Browns.
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I would keep an eye on the Clemson - LSU game to see the two safeties from each team, Simmons and Delpit. I've seen more of Delpit and he is a hitter/sure tackler with CB speed/abilities. I like him because he is always around the ball. The OT's may be gone by then and I think he may still be there as BPA in a need position for the Browns.
I would keep an eye on the Clemson - LSU game to see the two safeties from each team, Simmons and Delpit. I've seen more of Delpit and he is a hitter/sure tackler with CB speed/abilities. I like him because he is always around the ball. The OT's may be gone by then and I think he may still be there as BPA in a need position for the Browns.
Simmons is a LB. Probably more of complete skill set than what we have with Joe Show and Mack Wilson.
i agree on OTs there are a couple I like but we don’t need to just take one at 10 if those guys are gone
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I would keep an eye on the Clemson - LSU game to see the two safeties from each team, Simmons and Delpit. I've seen more of Delpit and he is a hitter/sure tackler with CB speed/abilities. I like him because he is always around the ball. The OT's may be gone by then and I think he may still be there as BPA in a need position for the Browns.
Simmons is a LB. Probably more of complete skill set than what we have with Joe Show and Mack Wilson.
i agree on OTs there are a couple I like but we don’t need to just take one at 10 if those guys are gone
Simmons is a LB. Probably more of complete skill set than what we have with Joe Show and Mack Wilson.
i agree on OTs there are a couple I like but we don’t need to just take one at 10 if those guys are gone
But he is also a safety. 4.36 speed. With outstanding athletic skills. The next defensive CO would dearly love to have a weapon like him. I already have picked him in the first round for the Browns in my dumb three round mock, that won't change.
He is the read deal, imho. I can't imagine picking any other player in the first round if he's even there.
https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2019/05/isaiah-simmons/
Clemson LB Isaiah Simmons is a freak athlete, Better take notes NFL scouts
transitioned to lb from safety - could start at safety in the pros, I think.
In his latest three-round 2020 NFL mock draft for Draft Wire, Luke Easterling has the Denver Broncos selecting Clemson linebacker Isaiah Simmons with the 10th overall pick in the first round. Here is Easterling’s commentary with the selection:
This defense needs a three-down playmaker at the second level, and this pick would be the perfect fit. Simmons is a rare athlete and a versatile defender who can matchup with the best player on any offense, making him the kind of guy opposing offenses have to scheme for on a weekly basis.
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I would keep an eye on the Clemson - LSU game to see the two safeties from each team, Simmons and Delpit. I've seen more of Delpit and he is a hitter/sure tackler with CB speed/abilities. I like him because he is always around the ball. The OT's may be gone by then and I think he may still be there as BPA in a need position for the Browns.
Simmons is a LB. Probably more of complete skill set than what we have with Joe Show and Mack Wilson.
i agree on OTs there are a couple I like but we don’t need to just take one at 10 if those guys are gone
Simmons is a LB. Probably more of complete skill set than what we have with Joe Show and Mack Wilson.
i agree on OTs there are a couple I like but we don’t need to just take one at 10 if those guys are gone
CBS and Drafttek both have him being drafted as a safety. Either way it should be very interesting to watch both players in the NC game.
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Simmons is a LB. Probably more of complete skill set than what we have with Joe Show and Mack Wilson.
i agree on OTs there are a couple I like but we don’t need to just take one at 10 if those guys are gone
CBS and Drafttek both have him being drafted as a safety. Either way it should be very interesting to watch both players in the NC game.
CBS and Drafttek both have him being drafted as a safety. Either way it should be very interesting to watch both players in the NC game.
He isn't fluid enough to play safety full time. Tweener in every sense of the word but that works in the modern NFL. He's an off-ball WILL backer. See, run, get.
As for my comments on Jedrick Willis above - I wrapped up watching Bama vs SCar last night. I honestly don't know how I feel about the kid now. Be curious to see how he measures out at the combine. Specifically - his wingspan/arm length.
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CBS and Drafttek both have him being drafted as a safety. Either way it should be very interesting to watch both players in the NC game.
He isn't fluid enough to play safety full time. Tweener in every sense of the word but that works in the modern NFL. He's an off-ball WILL backer. See, run, get.
As for my comments on Jedrick Willis above - I wrapped up watching Bama vs SCar last night. I honestly don't know how I feel about the kid now. Be curious to see how he measures out at the combine. Specifically - his wingspan/arm length.
He isn't fluid enough to play safety full time. Tweener in every sense of the word but that works in the modern NFL. He's an off-ball WILL backer. See, run, get.
As for my comments on Jedrick Willis above - I wrapped up watching Bama vs SCar last night. I honestly don't know how I feel about the kid now. Be curious to see how he measures out at the combine. Specifically - his wingspan/arm length.
He was actually 20 yards off the ball playing free safety on his INT against OSU Saturday night. He Read Fields like a book and broke like wild man on the ball.
I agree I bring him on the edge more than I have him playing center field at the next level. He could be a versatile weapon though.
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He isn't fluid enough to play safety full time. Tweener in every sense of the word but that works in the modern NFL. He's an off-ball WILL backer. See, run, get.
As for my comments on Jedrick Willis above - I wrapped up watching Bama vs SCar last night. I honestly don't know how I feel about the kid now. Be curious to see how he measures out at the combine. Specifically - his wingspan/arm length.
He was actually 20 yards off the ball playing free safety on his INT against OSU Saturday night. He Read Fields like a book and broke like wild man on the ball.
I agree I bring him on the edge more than I have him playing center field at the next level. He could be a versatile weapon though.
He was actually 20 yards off the ball playing free safety on his INT against OSU Saturday night. He Read Fields like a book and broke like wild man on the ball.
I agree I bring him on the edge more than I have him playing center field at the next level. He could be a versatile weapon though.
He was assigned to robber and that look was specifically setup to take that pass. A great call by Venables'. Half the people typing on this board could have picked that off, and that isn't hyperbole either. Fields took the snap and NEVER looked it off. He's a great athlete, with great sideline to sideline speed, but as his body fills out, his premium will be more of a backer role. Check out Tampa Bay this year with Devin White. Very similar.
@ 8:47 This isn't Earl Thomas we're talking about. This is a call the whole way. Either you get a Peyton Manning type throw to the dead zone, or 95% of college QB's throw a pick. It's a big reason why I think Joe Burrow shreds Clemson in a couple weeks - he's probably the only QB in college right now to consistent make that throw on time and in place.
Simmons is listed at 6'4 230. That's Kam Chancellor type size. But I don't see him as that type of enforcer. He could be what some people though Taylor Mays would have been though. But he has a long way to go hitting downhill to earn that title.
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I would keep an eye on the Clemson - LSU game to see the two safeties from each team, Simmons and Delpit. I've seen more of Delpit and he is a hitter/sure tackler with CB speed/abilities. I like him because he is always around the ball. The OT's may be gone by then and I think he may still be there as BPA in a need position for the Browns.
I would keep an eye on the Clemson - LSU game to see the two safeties from each team, Simmons and Delpit. I've seen more of Delpit and he is a hitter/sure tackler with CB speed/abilities. I like him because he is always around the ball. The OT's may be gone by then and I think he may still be there as BPA in a need position for the Browns.
I agree with everything you say.
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I don’t see it this season. we have three teams ahead of us that need QBS at 1,5 and 6 and this is basically a 3 QB draft Burrow, Herbert and Tua and honestly I see Tua taking a dive.
two teams just behind us won’t take a QB Jets and Raiders but after that 13,14,15, and 16 all need QBs. Any of those teams can trade up and 12 is great spot for that to get just ahead of the pack.
if Hebert falls past the Dolphins and Chargers we have a shot but at that point any number of teams that don’t need a QB from 7-12 have the same shot. Gonna be a buyers market
For starters I do not see Tua falling far at all. Every report was that the surgery went well so I expect he'll be medically cleared by most teams.
So for me the question becomes, "How many 'can't pass' players are there in this draft?" At first take starting with Burrow that looks like 8-10 to me, so those in front of us are less likely to trade back due to FOMO.
We could be the first team to seriously entertain offers.
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
For starters I do not see Tua falling far at all. Every report was that the surgery went well so I expect he'll be medically cleared by most teams.
So for me the question becomes, "How many 'can't pass' players are there in this draft?" At first take starting with Burrow that looks like 8-10 to me, so those in front of us are less likely to trade back due to FOMO.
We could be the first team to seriously entertain offers.
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
I disagree with this statement. The injury Tua suffered is absolutely no joke. I'm an athletic trainer and I work with orthopedic surgeons on a daily basis. Every single one of them have said they wouldn't touch him if they were in charge of the medicals for their team. This injury is serious not just if he gets cleared early. It's the next 5 years. They essentially had to rebuild his acetabular socket with plates and screws. People may say he will recover just fine, but I will have to see it to believe it. IMOP, he's overrated anyway, but that is just my opinion before he got hurt.
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For starters I do not see Tua falling far at all. Every report was that the surgery went well so I expect he'll be medically cleared by most teams.
So for me the question becomes, "How many 'can't pass' players are there in this draft?" At first take starting with Burrow that looks like 8-10 to me, so those in front of us are less likely to trade back due to FOMO.
We could be the first team to seriously entertain offers.
And apparently there is a third OT starting to make some top ten noise... at least according to PFF... BAMA's OT Jedrick Wills...
"Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games."
I disagree with this statement. The injury Tua suffered is absolutely no joke. I'm an athletic trainer and I work with orthopedic surgeons on a daily basis. Every single one of them have said they wouldn't touch him if they were in charge of the medicals for their team. This injury is serious not just if he gets cleared early. It's the next 5 years. They essentially had to rebuild his acetabular socket with plates and screws. People may say he will recover just fine, but I will have to see it to believe it. IMOP, he's overrated anyway, but that is just my opinion before he got hurt.
I disagree with this statement. The injury Tua suffered is absolutely no joke. I'm an athletic trainer and I work with orthopedic surgeons on a daily basis. Every single one of them have said they wouldn't touch him if they were in charge of the medicals for their team. This injury is serious not just if he gets cleared early. It's the next 5 years. They essentially had to rebuild his acetabular socket with plates and screws. People may say he will recover just fine, but I will have to see it to believe it. IMOP, he's overrated anyway, but that is just my opinion before he got hurt.
I agree with everything you say.
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CBS and Drafttek both have him being drafted as a safety. Either way it should be very interesting to watch both players in the NC game.
He isn't fluid enough to play safety full time. Tweener in every sense of the word but that works in the modern NFL. He's an off-ball WILL backer. See, run, get.
As for my comments on Jedrick Willis above - I wrapped up watching Bama vs SCar last night. I honestly don't know how I feel about the kid now. Be curious to see how he measures out at the combine. Specifically - his wingspan/arm length.
He isn't fluid enough to play safety full time. Tweener in every sense of the word but that works in the modern NFL. He's an off-ball WILL backer. See, run, get.
As for my comments on Jedrick Willis above - I wrapped up watching Bama vs SCar last night. I honestly don't know how I feel about the kid now. Be curious to see how he measures out at the combine. Specifically - his wingspan/arm length.
sounds true - having a lb who can cover like a safety is priceless. And he can tackle excellently. I like the kid.
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