Freddie fired
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So whats the number of Browns coaches that have been fired that have go on to become legendary with another team?
As was pointed out Bill B wasn't fired by the Browns but by Schmodell after the move, who will go down in history as the only owner to fire TWO HOF coaches.
The only former Browns coach to have somewhat of a successful post Browns resume is Marty Schottenheimer, who essentially quit because of F-artie. I suppose I should lay my opinion of Rob Chudinski getting axed too soon to rest, because if he was truly HC material, he should at least have gotten a HC offer or two by now.
A few things:
A. Bill Belichick was not fired as the coach of the Cleveland Browns franchise. He was fired as coach of the Baltimore Modell (unnamed as yet) franchise. That is a fact.
B. The other guys you mention, Noll, Walsh, Johnson.....had shit for talent on the rosters they inherited...and they had a big hand in bringing the talent and developing it during the first few years of their existence. It was clearly evident with those guys, that despite their losing records that they knew what they were doing. The same is not true here. It has been clearly evident that the guys we have dumped deserved to be dumped...and they were not ultimately qualified.
C. You mention the vast minority of situations. 4 coaches in the last 50 years have accomplished what you claim. That means hundreds have not. Building a system is great....if you have the product to build that system with.....and that product comes around very rarely. Those guys are the vast exception to the rule...NOT the norm. Do you want the names of those 100+ other coaches that didn't do a thing?
Exactly Gipper. there's no comparison between the Noll, Johnson situations and Freddie. The first two were in the midst of massive rebuilds with talent deficient teams. To put it in a race car analogy, by comparison- Freddie got handed the keys to a Formula One playoff ready race car- and he kept driving it into the wall time after time. But to be fair to Freddie- he got his previous driving experience at Malibu Grand Prix.
What amazes me is the multiple times guys like Romeo Crennell and Pat Shur-loss keep on getting multiple tries for redemption- and continue to prove they can't coach their way out of a paper bag.
As was pointed out Bill B wasn't fired by the Browns but by Schmodell after the move, who will go down in history as the only owner to fire TWO HOF coaches.
The only former Browns coach to have somewhat of a successful post Browns resume is Marty Schottenheimer, who essentially quit because of F-artie. I suppose I should lay my opinion of Rob Chudinski getting axed too soon to rest, because if he was truly HC material, he should at least have gotten a HC offer or two by now.
Exactly Gipper. there's no comparison between the Noll, Johnson situations and Freddie. The first two were in the midst of massive rebuilds with talent deficient teams. To put it in a race car analogy, by comparison- Freddie got handed the keys to a Formula One playoff ready race car- and he kept driving it into the wall time after time. But to be fair to Freddie- he got his previous driving experience at Malibu Grand Prix.
What amazes me is the multiple times guys like Romeo Crennell and Pat Shur-loss keep on getting multiple tries for redemption- and continue to prove they can't coach their way out of a paper bag.
I agree with everything you say. Our perspective, right or wrong, is that Fred was given a Mazerati and operated it like it was Gremlin.
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Gee....he was a one year and done with the Jets. Was he an argument for keeping Fred?
Not in the least.
If a Head Coach doesn’t possess basic clock management skills, he’s not qualified to be a Head Coach.
Thank you....I agree with everything you say.
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Agree with the Mangini/Pettine situations, basically. But Holmgren wanted "his guy"...and gave us fucking Shurmur (worse than Fred?)....and Pettine not only got Farmered, but didn't he also get Johnnyfucked?
Yes, Pettine managed to get more with less.
He managed a 7-9 season with Hoyer & Manziel as QB’s.
His biggest mistake was hiring some dude posing as a Defensive Coordinator.
Yes, Pettine managed to get more with less.
He managed a 7-9 season with Hoyer & Manziel as QB’s.
His biggest mistake was hiring some dude posing as a Defensive Coordinator.
Pettine is highly regarded once again. I think he may still be HC material. His players love and respect him.
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Yes, Pettine managed to get more with less.
He managed a 7-9 season with Hoyer & Manziel as QB’s.
His biggest mistake was hiring some dude posing as a Defensive Coordinator.
Pettine is highly regarded once again. I think he may still be HC material. His players love and respect him.
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Unless this team hires a HC who commands respect and discipline they are going nowhere
AND, the team culture/structure needs to create the right atmosphere that enhances the HC being "the man." NO coach can flourish if the environment is that players know they don't have to make/keep the HC happy. If the structure is such that players feel they can go above the HC head, then it won't work. The Skins are one example of this, as well as Dallas. Until Cleveland fixes this, nothing else matters. Everyone always touts of how talented Dallas is, so why are they a mere 8-8 team, even with 4 cream puff games (Skins, Giants) on their schedule? Sound familiar? They need to hire a real man, and give him total authority. That's the only way a Meyer would take the gig to begin with. Until Cleveland make this change in a meaningful way, the results won't change much - 6-10, 8-8 is where they will be until this is fixed. All of the Browns problems start at the top.
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So, let me summarize:
A. Gunz is mad because I left the S off of Joe Burrows name......or , is it because I put an S there where none exists; and because I had never heard that player referred to as "Coach". I guess I can solve that by spelling his name right....or doing what he did and spell like the French.
B. He is also mad because I engage in friendly fan arguments over sports. I don't know what to do about that other than to agree with whatever any of you say here. LIke a mocking bird I guess.
C. Flugel is mad because I thought the Ravens lost a lot of talent and would not be as good as they are, and because I didn't think Lamar Jackson would turn out as good as he seems to have. I can solve that by saying....yea, I got that prediction wrong obviously.
So, let me summarize:
A. Gunz is mad because I left the S off of Joe Burrows name......or , is it because I put an S there where none exists; and because I had never heard that player referred to as "Coach". I guess I can solve that by spelling his name right....or doing what he did and spell like the French.
B. He is also mad because I engage in friendly fan arguments over sports. I don't know what to do about that other than to agree with whatever any of you say here. LIke a mocking bird I guess.
C. Flugel is mad because I thought the Ravens lost a lot of talent and would not be as good as they are, and because I didn't think Lamar Jackson would turn out as good as he seems to have. I can solve that by saying....yea, I got that prediction wrong obviously.
A. No bud, you actually just showed exactly why this was brought up. No PLAYER was referred to as coach haha. Joe Burrow is the QUARTERBACK for LSU. Joe BRADY is co offensive coordinator/passing game coordinator. Two COMPLETELY different people.
B. Again, I don't see ANYTHING wrong with a good debate. But when results in name calling, not even listening to a shred of evidence, or beating the same point over and over isn't just a debate. Here is the difference, instead of saying I disagree with you on that, agree to disagree, etc you result to the "f you, you're an idiot if you think that, etc." Yet when you have a minority take you go with the, I get to have an opinion stuff. Whether you are right or wrong, when you use both sides of that argument you look disingenuous and that your opinion is the only that matters.
C. Nobody is perfect man. I have been wrong once before. Or was it that I was wrong about being wrong?
As for your other 3 posts that mentioned me: I think that you or anyone else is allowed to believe whatever religion they want, or none at all. And I for sure wouldn't make a smart comment if someone on here posted about Buddha. But that doesn't mean that it will change my view. And it is MY belief that unless ANYONE who hasn't accepted Jesus does then they will not like the result when they pass. That doesn't mean I will be a prick to them for their beliefs/or lack thereof.
And maybe I am not as smart as you or can't read between the lines, but you highlighting me asking you to show 1 poor opinion and saying there ya go. How exactly is that showing one?
It looks like you were just throwing stuff against the wall seeing what will stick. As you can't find a "poor opinion" of mine.
And no Gipper, I don't dislike you. I don't think you are a bad person. I just think that you don't pay attention (or don't care) how you post. Because as little as I get on (as you referenced) I still see you get into "spirited arguments" with multiple people. And I don't think from my perspective that it has to do with the content in which you post. It has more to do with the perception of the manner in which you post that content.
As for the comparison to Gho..... ask yourself why that would even be thought of, think back on his posts and decipher whether it had more to do with the content he posted or the manner in which he posted it, or even go a step further on a cold snowy day and look back at some of your "conflicts" on here and see if there is either some kind of pattern of behavior and/or a reason why it often results in more than just a difference in opinion.
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You've made a complete fool out of yourself like you always do Gipper.
No....why? Because I did not bow and cowtow to you and Gunz religious preferences and proselytizing?
If you want this to turn into a religious debate, I guess I can. All I can say is that I respect whatever religion you and he want to be...But I suspect that similar respect would not be give by you all if I were to proselytize for some other religious faith than the one you all demand of everyone.
Don't all people that work in a court of law post perverted pictures of teenage girls on football message boards like Gipper has done forever?
Is everybody ready to watch Gipper close another thread with about 4-5 more pages arguing with people like a sorority girl on the rag? By all means, stayed tuned. And did he stay on topic again? ?
So? Do you really object to the photos of women on here? Because half the people on here post them. So, I assume that you have the same objection to Z and everyone else?
So? Do you really object to the photos of women on here? - Gipper
Women? Never. Teenage Girls? I'm 55 so that would be a little creepy to get as excited as you do about them and you're in your mid-late 60s. The surgery you just tried on context was adorable! - Tom F.
So, I assume that you have the same objection to Z and everyone else? - Gipper
Zombo doesn't post pictures of teenage girls and I don't recall many other guys old enough to be fathers and grandfathers doing it either. If a teenage boy does it - it's not nearly as disturbing as you doing it. - Tom F
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So, let me summarize:
A. Gunz is mad because I left the S off of Joe Burrows name......or , is it because I put an S there where none exists; and because I had never heard that player referred to as "Coach". I guess I can solve that by spelling his name right....or doing what he did and spell like the French.
B. He is also mad because I engage in friendly fan arguments over sports. I don't know what to do about that other than to agree with whatever any of you say here. LIke a mocking bird I guess.
C. Flugel is mad because I thought the Ravens lost a lot of talent and would not be as good as they are, and because I didn't think Lamar Jackson would turn out as good as he seems to have. I can solve that by saying....yea, I got that prediction wrong obviously.
So, let me summarize:
A. Gunz is mad because I left the S off of Joe Burrows name......or , is it because I put an S there where none exists; and because I had never heard that player referred to as "Coach". I guess I can solve that by spelling his name right....or doing what he did and spell like the French.
B. He is also mad because I engage in friendly fan arguments over sports. I don't know what to do about that other than to agree with whatever any of you say here. LIke a mocking bird I guess.
C. Flugel is mad because I thought the Ravens lost a lot of talent and would not be as good as they are, and because I didn't think Lamar Jackson would turn out as good as he seems to have. I can solve that by saying....yea, I got that prediction wrong obviously.
Am I mad or disappointed the bug up your asss about a previous debate we had months ago won't die as it spills out into other conversations? I named 1 candidate I'd like Cleveland to at least consider (Joe Brady and gave reasons why). Then came your asss hurt via the way you responded. I wouldn't have minded if you disagreed and gave a reason like "yeah but his lack of experience as a HC concerns me." Instead you chose to be a douche bag.
As a result, I cut and pasted everything you said so I could use your own words against you like some sort of cyber Judo. For example, when you tried to change the context of what I wrote - it showed readers who had trouble with the truth. The context was never me having an issue with pictures of adult hotties being shared in here. It was you sharing pictures of teenage girls when you're in your mid-late 60s. That's creepy. And since you like to remind us frequently you work in a court room - your version of extra hot is extra creepy. This has ZERO to do with Zombo or others in here that know the difference between women and teenagers and you know that.
I'm all done with this argument and your inability to admit when your wrong so carry on without me...
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There's always the ignore feature, guys.
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If the head coach is not respected then there is obviously a problem. Problem is multi millionaire rich punks who basically do whatever the fuck they want to.
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So? Do you really object to the photos of women on here? - Gipper
Women? Never. Teenage Girls? I'm 55 so that would be a little creepy to get as excited as you do about them and you're in your mid-late 60s. The surgery you just tried on context was adorable! - Tom F.
Never put teenage girls on here....not to my knowledge. Not sure where you are getting that.
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So, let me summarize:
A. Gunz is mad because I left the S off of Joe Burrows name......or , is it because I put an S there where none exists; and because I had never heard that player referred to as "Coach". I guess I can solve that by spelling his name right....or doing what he did and spell like the French.
B. He is also mad because I engage in friendly fan arguments over sports. I don't know what to do about that other than to agree with whatever any of you say here. LIke a mocking bird I guess.
C. Flugel is mad because I thought the Ravens lost a lot of talent and would not be as good as they are, and because I didn't think Lamar Jackson would turn out as good as he seems to have. I can solve that by saying....yea, I got that prediction wrong obviously.
Am I mad or disappointed the bug up your asss about a previous debate we had months ago won't die as it spills out into other conversations? I named 1 candidate I'd like Cleveland to at least consider (Joe Brady and gave reasons why). Then came your asss hurt via the way you responded. I wouldn't have minded if you disagreed and gave a reason like "yeah but his lack of experience as a HC concerns me." Instead you chose to be a douche bag.
As a result, I cut and pasted everything you said so I could use your own words against you like some sort of cyber Judo. For example, when you tried to change the context of what I wrote - it showed readers who had trouble with the truth. The context was never me having an issue with pictures of adult hotties being shared in here. It was you sharing pictures of teenage girls when you're in your mid-late 60s. That's creepy. And since you like to remind us frequently you work in a court room - your version of extra hot is extra creepy. This has ZERO to do with Zombo or others in here that know the difference between women and teenagers and you know that.
I'm all done with this argument and your inability to admit when your wrong so carry on without me...
Am I mad or disappointed the bug up your asss about a previous debate we had months ago won't die as it spills out into other conversations? I named 1 candidate I'd like Cleveland to at least consider (Joe Brady and gave reasons why). Then came your asss hurt via the way you responded. I wouldn't have minded if you disagreed and gave a reason like "yeah but his lack of experience as a HC concerns me." Instead you chose to be a douche bag.
As a result, I cut and pasted everything you said so I could use your own words against you like some sort of cyber Judo. For example, when you tried to change the context of what I wrote - it showed readers who had trouble with the truth. The context was never me having an issue with pictures of adult hotties being shared in here. It was you sharing pictures of teenage girls when you're in your mid-late 60s. That's creepy. And since you like to remind us frequently you work in a court room - your version of extra hot is extra creepy. This has ZERO to do with Zombo or others in here that know the difference between women and teenagers and you know that.
I'm all done with this argument and your inability to admit when your wrong so carry on without me...
A. I did admit that I was wrong.....how did you miss that?
B. I guess I was still confused about the existence of this "Joe Brady". I have only ever heard that in reference to Joe Burrow (thinking that it was like Joe Tom Brady.
C. And I repeat....WTF are you talking about with "teenage girls"? As far as I know, any photo I may have put up here has been an adult.
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Am I mad or disappointed the bug up your asss about a previous debate we had months ago won't die as it spills out into other conversations? I named 1 candidate I'd like Cleveland to at least consider (Joe Brady and gave reasons why). Then came your asss hurt via the way you responded. I wouldn't have minded if you disagreed and gave a reason like "yeah but his lack of experience as a HC concerns me." Instead you chose to be a douche bag.
As a result, I cut and pasted everything you said so I could use your own words against you like some sort of cyber Judo. For example, when you tried to change the context of what I wrote - it showed readers who had trouble with the truth. The context was never me having an issue with pictures of adult hotties being shared in here. It was you sharing pictures of teenage girls when you're in your mid-late 60s. That's creepy. And since you like to remind us frequently you work in a court room - your version of extra hot is extra creepy. This has ZERO to do with Zombo or others in here that know the difference between women and teenagers and you know that.
I'm all done with this argument and your inability to admit when your wrong so carry on without me...
A. I did admit that I was wrong.....how did you miss that?
B. I guess I was still confused about the existence of this "Joe Brady". I have only ever heard that in reference to Joe Burrow (thinking that it was like Joe Tom Brady.
C. And I repeat....WTF are you talking about with "teenage girls"? As far as I know, any photo I may have put up here has been an adult.
A. I did admit that I was wrong.....how did you miss that?
B. I guess I was still confused about the existence of this "Joe Brady". I have only ever heard that in reference to Joe Burrow (thinking that it was like Joe Tom Brady.
C. And I repeat....WTF are you talking about with "teenage girls"? As far as I know, any photo I may have put up here has been an adult.
And you don't see the problem here? Multiple times from multiple people Joe Brady was referred to as a coach and separate from Burrow. Yet you continued on with it.
The majority of that could have been avoided had you actually read what was being said, or even just getting the facts when it kept coming up
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A. I did admit that I was wrong.....how did you miss that?
B. I guess I was still confused about the existence of this "Joe Brady". I have only ever heard that in reference to Joe Burrow (thinking that it was like Joe Tom Brady.
C. And I repeat....WTF are you talking about with "teenage girls"? As far as I know, any photo I may have put up here has been an adult.
And you don't see the problem here? Multiple times from multiple people Joe Brady was referred to as a coach and separate from Burrow. Yet you continued on with it.
The majority of that could have been avoided had you actually read what was being said, or even just getting the facts when it kept coming up
And you don't see the problem here? Multiple times from multiple people Joe Brady was referred to as a coach and separate from Burrow. Yet you continued on with it.
The majority of that could have been avoided had you actually read what was being said, or even just getting the facts when it kept coming up
Well, I read it. Maybe it was the flaw in the writing. I was still confused if there was really talk about 2 people.
Now that you have had your orgasm over the fact that I admit I probably got something wrong....you can go back, maybe, to talking football. Or, will you continue to obsess over every word I write? Here is a word that I will write that you can obsess over: Psychoneurotic
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