Dorsey —————- GONE
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Yeah you got your wish, be prepard for a step back. Who wants to come here to be GM or coach when you get the axe after a year or two. This team is probably a good HC away from being a playoff team. But now you bring in a new GM who wants his guys. They always want THEIR guys. Players brought in by Dorsey.
Landry
Ward
OBJ
Randall
Greedy
Chubb
Wilson
Baker
Vernon
Hunt
Richardson
Thats a pretty good group of folks in just 2 years. No GM since the Browns cames back in '99 has brought in as much talent. Yes, the Austin Corbett pick was a bust, so what. You bring in the talent above you get to have a mulligan every once in a while. And guess what else this means, we might lose Wolf and Highsmith who are pretty good guys in their own right. This move reeks of stupidity and incompetence. I have no problem canning a GM, I was for Sashi, Farmer and others getting shown the door because they were incompetent at their job. Dorsey is not incompetent. The Haslams want instant gratification and results or they blow crap up. That can't be they way you run your organization. If the Haslams really believe the team is close, then change the HC and keep everything else in place. Best option here is just sell the team to someone who can better run things, I don't doubt the Haslams desires to win, I doubt their mental competence to do so.I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
I am not as optimistic as you are, I hope it turns out well but the Browns tracked record cannot be trusted, speaking of earning trust. Lets not forget we traded Kizer and Randall, a nobody for a starter. We traded Kessler for a draft pick, a bigger nobody for something. Traded for Jarvis Landry for a 4th and a 7th, seems like a bargain. This from a guy called a clown. Seems to me he was clowing other folks. Also let not forget getting a 3rd round pick for Duke.
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Yeah you got your wish, be prepard for a step back. Who wants to come here to be GM or coach when you get the axe after a year or two. This team is probably a good HC away from being a playoff team. But now you bring in a new GM who wants his guys. They always want THEIR guys. Players brought in by Dorsey.
Landry
Ward
OBJ
Randall
Greedy
Chubb
Wilson
Baker
Vernon
Hunt
Richardson
Thats a pretty good group of folks in just 2 years. No GM since the Browns cames back in '99 has brought in as much talent. Yes, the Austin Corbett pick was a bust, so what. You bring in the talent above you get to have a mulligan every once in a while. And guess what else this means, we might lose Wolf and Highsmith who are pretty good guys in their own right. This move reeks of stupidity and incompetence. I have no problem canning a GM, I was for Sashi, Farmer and others getting shown the door because they were incompetent at their job. Dorsey is not incompetent. The Haslams want instant gratification and results or they blow crap up. That can't be they way you run your organization. If the Haslams really believe the team is close, then change the HC and keep everything else in place. Best option here is just sell the team to someone who can better run things, I don't doubt the Haslams desires to win, I doubt their mental competence to do so.I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
I think we'll be just fine. Dorsey didn't want to take a reduced role, but he didn't earn total trust either. Something was just WRONG this year, and both Kitchens and Dorsey shared in that reality.
We're going to be alright. Just a guess, and lord knows I've been wrong plenty, but I am excited about the new changes and what we'll bring into town.
And the first instance it doesn't go well, you'll go all HYSTERICAL JIGGINS and demand everyone fired.
We've also seen this movie around here a few times. ?
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you need to have a foundation of some kind and they did with Dorsey now were going back to what ?
Now we’re going back to 0-3 wins a season.
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Now we’re going back to 0-3 wins a season.
as of now i do not see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow coal yes but not gold
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He was put in an incredible cap and draft position, the envy of every GM in the league
He fucked it up. No sympathy
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Haslam you miserable fucking chode. In two or three years will be able to look back at the Glory Days when we were 6 and 10.
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WSS
Haslam you miserable fucking chode. In two or three years will be able to look back at the Glory Days when we were 6 and 10.
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WSS
Man..........................Haslam or Snyder?
Sad state of affairs. I doubt a 'Cowher-type' would be interested at this point. So..................back to Green Acres.
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He was put in an incredible cap and draft position, the envy of every GM in the league
He fucked it up. No sympathy
He was put in an incredible cap and draft position, the envy of every GM in the league
He fucked it up. No sympathy
ya we know london you were never on board with Dorsey
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Need new ownership.
Know anyone with a few billion spare dollars to buy Jimmy out? In a lot of respects he's like Freddie- means well, but totally incompetent at his designated job (owner).
Know anyone with a few billion spare dollars to buy Jimmy out? In a lot of respects he's like Freddie- means well, but totally incompetent at his designated job (owner).
Larry, what is you take RE: the Mayfield pick. Yes, Freddie was a big whiff, but do you think Mayfield's performance factored into this?
I know he is young but - I wonder if Mayfield is a 'one (half-year) hit wonder?
God.........................could asphole Rex Ryan be right about him?
FWIW, I hate to see any continuity, once again, dissipate before fully formed.
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Josh McDaniels is the guy
Source or guess?
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Canton, you and I think a lot alike. Scary eh?
I think most Browns fans KNOW what the problem is with the team.
But we know the Haslams won’t be firing themselves anytime soon.
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Pray for Dutch
Pray for Dutch
I'm not the guy who would stormed off this board and threatened to quit it because you were called out for being a whiny bitch after a GM was fired.
That was you, chap.
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I think that was the "conflict" from last year......Berry and Depo wanted someone, Dorsey chose Ferd.
But...whether or not Berry is involved, I DO believe this represented a win for the Analytics guys....Depodesta etc.
Absolutley Gipper.... Yup the analytics guys wanted Stefanski for HC in 2019, John got his way with Kitchens, and swirled down the kitchen sink with him....
I think the reports of it being "a mutual parting due to Dorsey not wanting to accept a reduced role" are being overlooked by most.
Dorsey, who lost clout after his hire of Freddie Kitchens failed miserably this season, was asked to take a backseat to the new head of the football department, who will pair with the new head coach. Dorsey, who went 13-18-1 in his two full seasons as GM, would’ve been more of a talent evaluator, such as a Vice President of Player Personnel, a source said.
In other words Jimmah asked Johnny to stick to what he does best and Johnny took his ball and went home.
When JD was hired I asked why a guy who is so good at is job was available to us. I speculated that it likely was because he "did not play well with others". I suspect this was the case.
... the analytics guys wanted Stefanski for HC in 2019, John got his way with Kitchens, and swirled down the kitchen sink with him....
... and they liked McDermott over Hue before that. HC choices are above the surface... we don't know what lies just below it. How many picks did "the guys" endorse? How many did they not? Chubb easily fits analytics... Corbett not so much. But the biggest question is around Baker.
The way Dorsey gloated over that one pick makes me believe others weren't on board with it. And while John looked great in 2018... we are all uncertain to some degree as we enter 2020. What if "the guys" saw a certain Louisville QB as the wave of the future?
Then there's the spending of al the draft capital that LB raised... all that pain accumulating it... and it's gone with only more pain to show for it.
This more than just being about missing on one HC...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think the reports of it being "a mutual parting due to Dorsey not wanting to accept a reduced role" are being overlooked by most.
Dorsey, who lost clout after his hire of Freddie Kitchens failed miserably this season, was asked to take a backseat to the new head of the football department, who will pair with the new head coach. Dorsey, who went 13-18-1 in his two full seasons as GM, would’ve been more of a talent evaluator, such as a Vice President of Player Personnel, a source said.
In other words Jimmah asked Johnny to stick to what he does best and Johnny took his ball and went home.
When JD was hired I asked why a guy who is so good at is job was available to us. I speculated that it likely was because he "did not play well with others". I suspect this was the case.
... the analytics guys wanted Stefanski for HC in 2019, John got his way with Kitchens, and swirled down the kitchen sink with him....
... and they liked McDermott over Hue before that. HC choices are above the surface... we don't know what lies just below it. How many picks did "the guys" endorse? How many did they not? Chubb easily fits analytics... Corbett not so much. But the biggest question is around Baker.
The way Dorsey gloated over that one pick makes me believe others weren't on board with it. And while John looked great in 2018... we are all uncertain to some degree as we enter 2020. What if "the guys" saw a certain Louisville QB as the wave of the future?
Then there's the spending of al the draft capital that LB raised... all that pain accumulating it... and it's gone with only more pain to show for it.
This more than just being about missing on one HC...
... and they liked McDermott over Hue before that. HC choices are above the surface... we don't know what lies just below it. How many picks did "the guys" endorse? How many did they not? Chubb easily fits analytics... Corbett not so much. But the biggest question is around Baker.
The way Dorsey gloated over that one pick makes me believe others weren't on board with it. And while John looked great in 2018... we are all uncertain to some degree as we enter 2020. What if "the guys" saw a certain Louisville QB as the wave of the future?
Then there's the spending of al the draft capital that LB raised... all that pain accumulating it... and it's gone with only more pain to show for it.
This more than just being about missing on one HC...
From that same article...
“DePodesta, whose contract is up after next season, contemplated leaving the organization because he wasn’t being heard, a source said, but Haslam wanted him to stay. The situation came to a head after Kitchens’ firing, and Dorsey was the odd man out.”
The messed up thing is the Haslams COULD have been heeding DePodesta’s advice ALL this time, for literally YEARS, and NOW they decide he’s worth listening to? It’s maddening.
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I think the reports of it being "a mutual parting due to Dorsey not wanting to accept a reduced role" are being overlooked by most.
Dorsey, who lost clout after his hire of Freddie Kitchens failed miserably this season, was asked to take a backseat to the new head of the football department, who will pair with the new head coach. Dorsey, who went 13-18-1 in his two full seasons as GM, would’ve been more of a talent evaluator, such as a Vice President of Player Personnel, a source said.
In other words Jimmah asked Johnny to stick to what he does best and Johnny took his ball and went home.
When JD was hired I asked why a guy who is so good at is job was available to us. I speculated that it likely was because he "did not play well with others". I suspect this was the case.
... the analytics guys wanted Stefanski for HC in 2019, John got his way with Kitchens, and swirled down the kitchen sink with him....
... and they liked McDermott over Hue before that. HC choices are above the surface... we don't know what lies just below it. How many picks did "the guys" endorse? How many did they not? Chubb easily fits analytics... Corbett not so much. But the biggest question is around Baker.
The way Dorsey gloated over that one pick makes me believe others weren't on board with it. And while John looked great in 2018... we are all uncertain to some degree as we enter 2020. What if "the guys" saw a certain Louisville QB as the wave of the future?
Then there's the spending of al the draft capital that LB raised... all that pain accumulating it... and it's gone with only more pain to show for it.
This more than just being about missing on one HC...
... and they liked McDermott over Hue before that. HC choices are above the surface... we don't know what lies just below it. How many picks did "the guys" endorse? How many did they not? Chubb easily fits analytics... Corbett not so much. But the biggest question is around Baker.
The way Dorsey gloated over that one pick makes me believe others weren't on board with it. And while John looked great in 2018... we are all uncertain to some degree as we enter 2020. What if "the guys" saw a certain Louisville QB as the wave of the future?
Then there's the spending of al the draft capital that LB raised... all that pain accumulating it... and it's gone with only more pain to show for it.
This more than just being about missing on one HC...
This has all of the hallmarks of a team in crisis starting with the 6-10 record right up to the team ownership.
Should be an interesting draft in Nevada this April 2020.
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Somehow I find it appropriate that the Browns will end the decade without a GM or HC.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
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