Freddie fired
-
You've made a complete fool out of yourself like you always do Gipper.
No....why? Because I did not bow and cowtow to you and Gunz religious preferences and proselytizing?
If you want this to turn into a religious debate, I guess I can. All I can say is that I respect whatever religion you and he want to be...But I suspect that similar respect would not be give by you all if I were to proselytize for some other religious faith than the one you all demand of everyone.
Don't all people that work in a court of law post perverted pictures of teenage girls on football message boards like Gipper has done forever?
Is everybody ready to watch Gipper close another thread with about 4-5 more pages arguing with people like a sorority girl on the rag? By all means, stayed tuned. And did he stay on topic again? ?
So? Do you really object to the photos of women on here? Because half the people on here post them. So, I assume that you have the same objection to Z and everyone else?
So? Do you really object to the photos of women on here? - Gipper
Women? Never. Teenage Girls? I'm 55 so that would be a little creepy to get as excited as you do about them and you're in your mid-late 60s. The surgery you just tried on context was adorable! - Tom F.
So, I assume that you have the same objection to Z and everyone else? - Gipper
Zombo doesn't post pictures of teenage girls and I don't recall many other guys old enough to be fathers and grandfathers doing it either. If a teenage boy does it - it's not nearly as disturbing as you doing it. - Tom F
-
So, let me summarize:
A. Gunz is mad because I left the S off of Joe Burrows name......or , is it because I put an S there where none exists; and because I had never heard that player referred to as "Coach". I guess I can solve that by spelling his name right....or doing what he did and spell like the French.
B. He is also mad because I engage in friendly fan arguments over sports. I don't know what to do about that other than to agree with whatever any of you say here. LIke a mocking bird I guess.
C. Flugel is mad because I thought the Ravens lost a lot of talent and would not be as good as they are, and because I didn't think Lamar Jackson would turn out as good as he seems to have. I can solve that by saying....yea, I got that prediction wrong obviously.
So, let me summarize:
A. Gunz is mad because I left the S off of Joe Burrows name......or , is it because I put an S there where none exists; and because I had never heard that player referred to as "Coach". I guess I can solve that by spelling his name right....or doing what he did and spell like the French.
B. He is also mad because I engage in friendly fan arguments over sports. I don't know what to do about that other than to agree with whatever any of you say here. LIke a mocking bird I guess.
C. Flugel is mad because I thought the Ravens lost a lot of talent and would not be as good as they are, and because I didn't think Lamar Jackson would turn out as good as he seems to have. I can solve that by saying....yea, I got that prediction wrong obviously.
Am I mad or disappointed the bug up your asss about a previous debate we had months ago won't die as it spills out into other conversations? I named 1 candidate I'd like Cleveland to at least consider (Joe Brady and gave reasons why). Then came your asss hurt via the way you responded. I wouldn't have minded if you disagreed and gave a reason like "yeah but his lack of experience as a HC concerns me." Instead you chose to be a douche bag.
As a result, I cut and pasted everything you said so I could use your own words against you like some sort of cyber Judo. For example, when you tried to change the context of what I wrote - it showed readers who had trouble with the truth. The context was never me having an issue with pictures of adult hotties being shared in here. It was you sharing pictures of teenage girls when you're in your mid-late 60s. That's creepy. And since you like to remind us frequently you work in a court room - your version of extra hot is extra creepy. This has ZERO to do with Zombo or others in here that know the difference between women and teenagers and you know that.
I'm all done with this argument and your inability to admit when your wrong so carry on without me...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
There's always the ignore feature, guys.
Had two recruits join me in 2019. Always room for more...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If the head coach is not respected then there is obviously a problem. Problem is multi millionaire rich punks who basically do whatever the fuck they want to.
-
So? Do you really object to the photos of women on here? - Gipper
Women? Never. Teenage Girls? I'm 55 so that would be a little creepy to get as excited as you do about them and you're in your mid-late 60s. The surgery you just tried on context was adorable! - Tom F.
Never put teenage girls on here....not to my knowledge. Not sure where you are getting that.
-
So, let me summarize:
A. Gunz is mad because I left the S off of Joe Burrows name......or , is it because I put an S there where none exists; and because I had never heard that player referred to as "Coach". I guess I can solve that by spelling his name right....or doing what he did and spell like the French.
B. He is also mad because I engage in friendly fan arguments over sports. I don't know what to do about that other than to agree with whatever any of you say here. LIke a mocking bird I guess.
C. Flugel is mad because I thought the Ravens lost a lot of talent and would not be as good as they are, and because I didn't think Lamar Jackson would turn out as good as he seems to have. I can solve that by saying....yea, I got that prediction wrong obviously.
Am I mad or disappointed the bug up your asss about a previous debate we had months ago won't die as it spills out into other conversations? I named 1 candidate I'd like Cleveland to at least consider (Joe Brady and gave reasons why). Then came your asss hurt via the way you responded. I wouldn't have minded if you disagreed and gave a reason like "yeah but his lack of experience as a HC concerns me." Instead you chose to be a douche bag.
As a result, I cut and pasted everything you said so I could use your own words against you like some sort of cyber Judo. For example, when you tried to change the context of what I wrote - it showed readers who had trouble with the truth. The context was never me having an issue with pictures of adult hotties being shared in here. It was you sharing pictures of teenage girls when you're in your mid-late 60s. That's creepy. And since you like to remind us frequently you work in a court room - your version of extra hot is extra creepy. This has ZERO to do with Zombo or others in here that know the difference between women and teenagers and you know that.
I'm all done with this argument and your inability to admit when your wrong so carry on without me...
Am I mad or disappointed the bug up your asss about a previous debate we had months ago won't die as it spills out into other conversations? I named 1 candidate I'd like Cleveland to at least consider (Joe Brady and gave reasons why). Then came your asss hurt via the way you responded. I wouldn't have minded if you disagreed and gave a reason like "yeah but his lack of experience as a HC concerns me." Instead you chose to be a douche bag.
As a result, I cut and pasted everything you said so I could use your own words against you like some sort of cyber Judo. For example, when you tried to change the context of what I wrote - it showed readers who had trouble with the truth. The context was never me having an issue with pictures of adult hotties being shared in here. It was you sharing pictures of teenage girls when you're in your mid-late 60s. That's creepy. And since you like to remind us frequently you work in a court room - your version of extra hot is extra creepy. This has ZERO to do with Zombo or others in here that know the difference between women and teenagers and you know that.
I'm all done with this argument and your inability to admit when your wrong so carry on without me...
A. I did admit that I was wrong.....how did you miss that?
B. I guess I was still confused about the existence of this "Joe Brady". I have only ever heard that in reference to Joe Burrow (thinking that it was like Joe Tom Brady.
C. And I repeat....WTF are you talking about with "teenage girls"? As far as I know, any photo I may have put up here has been an adult.
-
Am I mad or disappointed the bug up your asss about a previous debate we had months ago won't die as it spills out into other conversations? I named 1 candidate I'd like Cleveland to at least consider (Joe Brady and gave reasons why). Then came your asss hurt via the way you responded. I wouldn't have minded if you disagreed and gave a reason like "yeah but his lack of experience as a HC concerns me." Instead you chose to be a douche bag.
As a result, I cut and pasted everything you said so I could use your own words against you like some sort of cyber Judo. For example, when you tried to change the context of what I wrote - it showed readers who had trouble with the truth. The context was never me having an issue with pictures of adult hotties being shared in here. It was you sharing pictures of teenage girls when you're in your mid-late 60s. That's creepy. And since you like to remind us frequently you work in a court room - your version of extra hot is extra creepy. This has ZERO to do with Zombo or others in here that know the difference between women and teenagers and you know that.
I'm all done with this argument and your inability to admit when your wrong so carry on without me...
A. I did admit that I was wrong.....how did you miss that?
B. I guess I was still confused about the existence of this "Joe Brady". I have only ever heard that in reference to Joe Burrow (thinking that it was like Joe Tom Brady.
C. And I repeat....WTF are you talking about with "teenage girls"? As far as I know, any photo I may have put up here has been an adult.
A. I did admit that I was wrong.....how did you miss that?
B. I guess I was still confused about the existence of this "Joe Brady". I have only ever heard that in reference to Joe Burrow (thinking that it was like Joe Tom Brady.
C. And I repeat....WTF are you talking about with "teenage girls"? As far as I know, any photo I may have put up here has been an adult.
And you don't see the problem here? Multiple times from multiple people Joe Brady was referred to as a coach and separate from Burrow. Yet you continued on with it.
The majority of that could have been avoided had you actually read what was being said, or even just getting the facts when it kept coming up
-
A. I did admit that I was wrong.....how did you miss that?
B. I guess I was still confused about the existence of this "Joe Brady". I have only ever heard that in reference to Joe Burrow (thinking that it was like Joe Tom Brady.
C. And I repeat....WTF are you talking about with "teenage girls"? As far as I know, any photo I may have put up here has been an adult.
And you don't see the problem here? Multiple times from multiple people Joe Brady was referred to as a coach and separate from Burrow. Yet you continued on with it.
The majority of that could have been avoided had you actually read what was being said, or even just getting the facts when it kept coming up
And you don't see the problem here? Multiple times from multiple people Joe Brady was referred to as a coach and separate from Burrow. Yet you continued on with it.
The majority of that could have been avoided had you actually read what was being said, or even just getting the facts when it kept coming up
Well, I read it. Maybe it was the flaw in the writing. I was still confused if there was really talk about 2 people.
Now that you have had your orgasm over the fact that I admit I probably got something wrong....you can go back, maybe, to talking football. Or, will you continue to obsess over every word I write? Here is a word that I will write that you can obsess over: Psychoneurotic
-
And you don't see the problem here? Multiple times from multiple people Joe Brady was referred to as a coach and separate from Burrow. Yet you continued on with it.
The majority of that could have been avoided had you actually read what was being said, or even just getting the facts when it kept coming up
Well, I read it. Maybe it was the flaw in the writing. I was still confused if there was really talk about 2 people.
Now that you have had your orgasm over the fact that I admit I probably got something wrong....you can go back, maybe, to talking football. Or, will you continue to obsess over every word I write? Here is a word that I will write that you can obsess over: Psychoneurotic
Well, I read it. Maybe it was the flaw in the writing. I was still confused if there was really talk about 2 people.
Now that you have had your orgasm over the fact that I admit I probably got something wrong....you can go back, maybe, to talking football. Or, will you continue to obsess over every word I write? Here is a word that I will write that you can obsess over: Psychoneurotic
"Probably" and "flaw in the writing"
You have just proven the point. You refuse to take responsibility.
Here is Flugel original post
"I wouldn't mind seeing LSU's Joe Brady get some consideration with all I'm reading and hearing about how much he has helped Joe Burrow progress from last year. Prior to that, he worked on Sean Payton's staff with Drew Brees. I'd rather see Brees as Baker's role model than Favre. I've seen 1 throw off the backwards hop too many to like hearing the Favre resemblance. We also need some brain cells in our coaching staff that understand we need to bury the shuffle pass once and for all.
Back to Joe Brady, he has NFL and college experience. Again, if I want hiring criteria to improve I'd rather see more than 2 candidates (with a gut feeling they are already leaning toward the 1 they worked with in GB). I like Mike McCarthy as a candidate; but Joe Brady's work at LSU transcended the program and the QB to the National Championship Game. Not a bad resume when you can say I was the only one that tapped Joe Burrow's QB talent; especially when we see how much he did so..."
So please Mr. Know it all, where is the flaw in that writing? Since they are BOTH named there, and there would be very minuscule chance that Joe Burrow, the QB (who was at OSU) would have worked with Payton and Brees.
And I am STILL waiting for you to reference ONE poor opinion I have had
-
For real.
43/34 doesn't matter. The biggest difference in defensive philosophies is gap responsibility, not front alignment. 43/34 doesn't matter, it's just something fans get hung up on.
Then color me hung up....
Roster composition is impacted. Physical demands of the DL and OLB differ and so do the physical makeup of players.
DTs differ from NTs... DEs from DEs...
st coach should also stay
Long history under some damn good HCs. Our STs were one very disciplined unit... very few penalties even of the dreaded block n the back variety.
Makes me think the guy should get an interview.
Then color me hung up....
Roster composition is impacted. Physical demands of the DL and OLB differ and so do the physical makeup of players.
DTs differ from NTs... DEs from DEs...
Long history under some damn good HCs. Our STs were one very disciplined unit... very few penalties even of the dreaded block n the back variety.
Makes me think the guy should get an interview.
I get what you’re saying but that’s just not the way the NFL is anymore.
There’s still a general split between two prevailing philosophies, but it’s more accurate to define that split as 2-gap/1-gap as opposed to 34/43.
This is for a few reasons, but mainly just because teams don’t run 7-man fronts as often. Something like 26 teams ran 50+% of their plays with 5 defensive backs on the field last year - whether that’s through an extra CB, extra safety, $lb, what have you. So to even classify their base as a 34/43 would be erroneous, their “base” alignments would be either 335 or 425.
The other reason it’s a bit of a misnomer is exactly what you said about personnel. Generally speaking, people hear 34 and think “large DL, big run stuffing NT, pass rush from the OLBs”. And that’s not necessarily wrong.
But look at Wade Phillips, however, who is known for running a one-gap 34. His defenses have had a number of different personnel types. He’s had defenses where his DE outweighed his NT and seasons where he’s had a 330 lb. NT. He’s had years where’s run three OLBs simultaneously. But it’s always been primarily a one gap defense where the defensive linemen generate pressure, as opposed to the traditional “hit, fit and react” responsibilities of a 34 defensive lineman.
Further, he tends to primarily walk up his WILL to the line and utilize him as an extra pass rusher at a higher percentage than many other 34 DC’s, in effect just making him a 4th DL.
All of that and he’s still considered a 34 DC, despite his defense being much closer to a 43 in philosophy.
-
Well, I read it. Maybe it was the flaw in the writing. I was still confused if there was really talk about 2 people.
Now that you have had your orgasm over the fact that I admit I probably got something wrong....you can go back, maybe, to talking football. Or, will you continue to obsess over every word I write? Here is a word that I will write that you can obsess over: Psychoneurotic
"Probably" and "flaw in the writing"
You have just proven the point. You refuse to take responsibility.
Here is Flugel original post
"I wouldn't mind seeing LSU's Joe Brady get some consideration with all I'm reading and hearing about how much he has helped Joe Burrow progress from last year. Prior to that, he worked on Sean Payton's staff with Drew Brees. I'd rather see Brees as Baker's role model than Favre. I've seen 1 throw off the backwards hop too many to like hearing the Favre resemblance. We also need some brain cells in our coaching staff that understand we need to bury the shuffle pass once and for all.
Back to Joe Brady, he has NFL and college experience. Again, if I want hiring criteria to improve I'd rather see more than 2 candidates (with a gut feeling they are already leaning toward the 1 they worked with in GB). I like Mike McCarthy as a candidate; but Joe Brady's work at LSU transcended the program and the QB to the National Championship Game. Not a bad resume when you can say I was the only one that tapped Joe Burrow's QB talent; especially when we see how much he did so..."
So please Mr. Know it all, where is the flaw in that writing? Since they are BOTH named there, and there would be very minuscule chance that Joe Burrow, the QB (who was at OSU) would have worked with Payton and Brees.
And I am STILL waiting for you to reference ONE poor opinion I have had
"Probably" and "flaw in the writing"
You have just proven the point. You refuse to take responsibility.
Here is Flugel original post
"I wouldn't mind seeing LSU's Joe Brady get some consideration with all I'm reading and hearing about how much he has helped Joe Burrow progress from last year. Prior to that, he worked on Sean Payton's staff with Drew Brees. I'd rather see Brees as Baker's role model than Favre. I've seen 1 throw off the backwards hop too many to like hearing the Favre resemblance. We also need some brain cells in our coaching staff that understand we need to bury the shuffle pass once and for all.
Back to Joe Brady, he has NFL and college experience. Again, if I want hiring criteria to improve I'd rather see more than 2 candidates (with a gut feeling they are already leaning toward the 1 they worked with in GB). I like Mike McCarthy as a candidate; but Joe Brady's work at LSU transcended the program and the QB to the National Championship Game. Not a bad resume when you can say I was the only one that tapped Joe Burrow's QB talent; especially when we see how much he did so..."
So please Mr. Know it all, where is the flaw in that writing? Since they are BOTH named there, and there would be very minuscule chance that Joe Burrow, the QB (who was at OSU) would have worked with Payton and Brees.
And I am STILL waiting for you to reference ONE poor opinion I have had
-
... and the DE size difference was one of my main points. Wade adapts to the talent he has. He's a better DC for doing so.
The 5th DB is often filling the role of the 3rd LB. giving rise to the hybrid role in recent years. Deion Jones is a great example of the "undersized" LB's expanded role.
Whatever the player, it does not change his role in the base D significantly. It simply shifts the area where his makeup best sets up success, i.e., pass coverage vs run stopping.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
For real.
43/34 doesn't matter. The biggest difference in defensive philosophies is gap responsibility, not front alignment. 43/34 doesn't matter, it's just something fans get hung up on.
Then color me hung up....
Roster composition is impacted. Physical demands of the DL and OLB differ and so do the physical makeup of players.
DTs differ from NTs... DEs from DEs...
st coach should also stay
Long history under some damn good HCs. Our STs were one very disciplined unit... very few penalties even of the dreaded block n the back variety.
Makes me think the guy should get an interview.
Then color me hung up....
Roster composition is impacted. Physical demands of the DL and OLB differ and so do the physical makeup of players.
DTs differ from NTs... DEs from DEs...
Long history under some damn good HCs. Our STs were one very disciplined unit... very few penalties even of the dreaded block n the back variety.
Makes me think the guy should get an interview.
Depends on how you want to build the front. When you're a 1gap team that doesn't usually have that mammoth nose or every interior body is 300+ lbs as a "classic" 34 is generally regarded. Look no further than the Rams and Wade Phillips.
-
... and the DE size difference was one of my main points. Wade adapts to the talent he has. He's a better DC for doing so.
The 5th DB is often filling the role of the 3rd LB. giving rise to the hybrid role in recent years. Deion Jones is a great example of the "undersized" LB's expanded role.
Whatever the player, it does not change his role in the base D significantly. It simply shifts the area where his makeup best sets up success, i.e., pass coverage vs run stopping.
... and the DE size difference was one of my main points. Wade adapts to the talent he has. He's a better DC for doing so.
The 5th DB is often filling the role of the 3rd LB. giving rise to the hybrid role in recent years. Deion Jones is a great example of the "undersized" LB's expanded role.
Whatever the player, it does not change his role in the base D significantly. It simply shifts the area where his makeup best sets up success, i.e., pass coverage vs run stopping.
Probably one of the best DCs to do it, I’d love to have him here.
I have no doubt you understand the nuances of defensive philosophies moreso than most regular posters, my gripe is more with the common “oh god, 34 defense, we’re gonna have to get entirely new players” stance a lot of people take.
Were we to go that route, some changes would obviously occur but it’s not a full defensive reset...depending on the coordinator.
-
True.... the impact today of switching between the bases would not be as great as it was earlier this century (remember Crennel trying to stand up Kenard Lange???), but it is still measurable even in the age of the amorphous D.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
"Probably" and "flaw in the writing"
You have just proven the point. You refuse to take responsibility.
Here is Flugel original post
"I wouldn't mind seeing LSU's Joe Brady get some consideration with all I'm reading and hearing about how much he has helped Joe Burrow progress from last year. Prior to that, he worked on Sean Payton's staff with Drew Brees. I'd rather see Brees as Baker's role model than Favre. I've seen 1 throw off the backwards hop too many to like hearing the Favre resemblance. We also need some brain cells in our coaching staff that understand we need to bury the shuffle pass once and for all.
Back to Joe Brady, he has NFL and college experience. Again, if I want hiring criteria to improve I'd rather see more than 2 candidates (with a gut feeling they are already leaning toward the 1 they worked with in GB). I like Mike McCarthy as a candidate; but Joe Brady's work at LSU transcended the program and the QB to the National Championship Game. Not a bad resume when you can say I was the only one that tapped Joe Burrow's QB talent; especially when we see how much he did so..."
So please Mr. Know it all, where is the flaw in that writing? Since they are BOTH named there, and there would be very minuscule chance that Joe Burrow, the QB (who was at OSU) would have worked with Payton and Brees.
And I am STILL waiting for you to reference ONE poor opinion I have had
Yep exactly. Tuck tail and run (not accept). Another EILOOHG trait
-
A coordinator job is the traditional path to a head coaching position in the NFL. Unless we’re talking the Browns, in which case the head coaching job is a stepping stone to a coordinator position elsewhere.
-
These are just facts, do with them what you will...
This is my attempt to bring to light the glaring (and never discussed) problem that makes the Cleveland Browns the perennial butt of jokes. I'm going to compare the first 2 seasons of some legendary NFL coaches with Browns head coaches and the "churn and burn" mentality. Oh, and I'm only doing this from 1999 to present because this is a completely different franchise from the one that Modell stole from Cleveland back in the day. Sorry, not sorry.
The average tenure of a Cleveland Browns head coach is just 1.9 seasons (Please pause to let that sink in). Since that's nearly 2 full seasons I'll give the the records of other legendary head coaches' first 2 seasons to show why teams shouldn't give up on coaches so quickly. I'll also list their championship resume to really emphasize the point:
Bill Belichick:
- First 2 Seasons as Patriots HC: 5-11 in 2000, 11-5 in 2001
- 6 Super Bowl victories
Chuck Noll:
- First 2 Seasons as Steelers HC: 1-13 in 1969, 5-9 in 1970
- 4 Super Bowl victories
Bill Walsh:
- First 2 seasons as 49ers HC: 2-14 in 1979, 6-10 in 1980
- 3 Super Bowl victories
Jimmy Johnson:
- First 2 seasons as Cowboys HC: 1-15 in 1989, 7-9 in 1990
- 2 Super Bowl victories
You get the idea. Had these teams bailed on their head coaches after one season (like Cleveland so often does) the trophy cases in New England, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, and Dallas would look A LOT different today. Maybe this is an extreme comparison but my point is that these organizations didn't just stick with these guys, they actually f&@#ing build something that could last!!!
The point I'm trying to get across is the Browns need to stick with head coaches long enough to have a winning system and culture!
Still don't believe me?!? This will blow your mind . . . There have only been TWO Browns coaches that made it a full 3 seasons as the head coach. And ya know what they did in their third season? I'll tell ya what they did!! 9-7 record and playoff appearance in 2002, 10-6 record and nearly missed playoffs in 2007 (weird year). Are you sensing a theme yet?? New England has been doing this for 2 decades with great success, Pittsburgh has only had 3 coaches since mankind first walked on the moon they're alright.
Jimmy Haslam, if you're reading this (which I doubt) please, Please, PLEASE stick with a coach long enough to BUILD A SYSTEM, stop this endless rotation of quarterbacks and coordinators, and stop embarrassing Cleveland's football legacy.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk...
A few things:
A. Bill Belichick was not fired as the coach of the Cleveland Browns franchise. He was fired as coach of the Baltimore Modell (unnamed as yet) franchise. That is a fact.
B. The other guys you mention, Noll, Walsh, Johnson.....had shit for talent on the rosters they inherited...and they had a big hand in bringing the talent and devolping it during the first few years of their existence. It was clearly evident with those guys, that despite their losing records that they knew what they were doing. The same is not true here. It has been clearly evident that the guys we have dumped deserved to be dumped...and they were not ultimately qualified.
C. You mention the vast minority of situations. 4 coaches in the last 50 years have accomplished what you claim. That means hundreds have not. Building a system is great....if you have the product to build that system with.....and that product comes around very rarely. Those guys are the vast exception to the rule...NOT the norm. Do you want the names of those 100+ other coaches that didn't do a thing?
A few things:
A. Bill Belichick was not fired as the coach of the Cleveland Browns franchise. He was fired as coach of the Baltimore Modell (unnamed as yet) franchise. That is a fact.
B. The other guys you mention, Noll, Walsh, Johnson.....had shit for talent on the rosters they inherited...and they had a big hand in bringing the talent and devolping it during the first few years of their existence. It was clearly evident with those guys, that despite their losing records that they knew what they were doing. The same is not true here. It has been clearly evident that the guys we have dumped deserved to be dumped...and they were not ultimately qualified.
C. You mention the vast minority of situations. 4 coaches in the last 50 years have accomplished what you claim. That means hundreds have not. Building a system is great....if you have the product to build that system with.....and that product comes around very rarely. Those guys are the vast exception to the rule...NOT the norm. Do you want the names of those 100+ other coaches that didn't do a thing?
A. You're right about Belichick. I was only including coaches from the current franchise, 1999 to present
B. Not every coach is a winner but it was clear Butch Davis and Romeo Crennel were building something. I know we're supposed to say they stunk as a general rule but longevity and their football IQ were showing promise.
C. You say building a system is great so long as you have the product to build with but you already mentioned Noll, Walsh, and Johnson had shit to work. Nevertheless they all powered through. Coaches need to be given more of a chance to build a system for a franchise.
-
All you need to see is the side-by-side comparison to other franchises that started around the same time the Browns did. There is a clear correlation between number of head coaches the Browns burned through and their winning percentage vs that of the Jags/Panthers/Texans and what they've accomplished. Cleveland is seriously falling behind it's counterparts.
I realize Freddie was a mistake but constantly firing head coaches isn't the solution to the Browns problems, it IS the problem!
Say what you will but sources (
) have reported guys like Urban Meyer and others are not interested in being the next head coach. Why would they be? The best coaches don't want to go to a job where they will not be given the time or resources to have a long and successful career. Even a team like the Raiders are a joke but if there was one thing that made John Gruden give up his cushy TV job it was the 10 year contract he was offered. Stability and longevity aren't words you typically associate with the Raiders, that's all changed now and it's starting the show.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login