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Also....this was proposed by Peter King: A new rule that NO HC candidates can be interviewed for any team until after the Super Bowl.
He says the current situation favors candidates who do not coach for teams still in the playoffs. And I guess that is a fair statement. McCarthy...out of coaching a year. Rivera...fired mid season. Rhule...a college coach whose season is over. Judge....his team out of the playoffs now.
ONLY the Browns are still in the process of interviewing coaches whose teams are still in it: Stefanski, Bienemy, Roman, Saleh. King says that the guys who coach for teams still playing are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to being hired. And, he says that particularly applies to Minority candidates. NFL owners tend to be conservative, but waiting until after the SB for any team to conduct interviews would even the playing field...for both guys whose teams are still active and for minorities.
Note: the talk this morning is that no "minority" coach has yet been hired.....but, to be honest, this claim is bogus. They are only referring to black coaches....but Rivera is certainly a minority as an Hispanic. And would they also not consider Saleh a "minority" because he is of (apparently) Middle Eastern/Arabic descent rather than black?
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Nope, not happening. Browns saying the HC by Saturday. Not enough time to interview the outliers.
I guess my question is: why the major rush? It is not like they are now in competition with any other team now that all the other vacancies have been filled. It is not like they need someone on board to get started in recruiting...as is the case with a college coach situation. It is not like they need the HC on hand to handle practices. Why the rush?
Honestly...I would wait to see what happens in NE. In a bizarre, but not impossible scenario that I related...there is another name that could come available: Bill Belichick. Yes, weird, wacky, bizarre....but there is a power struggle going on there in NE, and it is NOT a slam dunk that BB wins it.
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Maybe, if the Browns hire Josh...he will bring his Dad in as an asst. coach. (he would be an unofficial asst. coach in any case, fair to say?)
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Also....this was proposed by Peter King: A new rule that NO HC candidates can be interviewed for any team until after the Super Bowl.
He says the current situation favors candidates who do not coach for teams still in the playoffs. And I guess that is a fair statement. McCarthy...out of coaching a year. Rivera...fired mid season. Rhule...a college coach whose season is over. Judge....his team out of the playoffs now.
ONLY the Browns are still in the process of interviewing coaches whose teams are still in it: Stefanski, Bienemy, Roman, Saleh. King says that the guys who coach for teams still playing are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to being hired. And, he says that particularly applies to Minority candidates. NFL owners tend to be conservative, but waiting until after the SB for any team to conduct interviews would even the playing field...for both guys whose teams are still active and for minorities.
Note: the talk this morning is that no "minority" coach has yet been hired.....but, to be honest, this claim is bogus. They are only referring to black coaches....but Rivera is certainly a minority as an Hispanic. And would they also not consider Saleh a "minority" because he is of (apparently) Middle Eastern/Arabic descent rather than black?
Also....this was proposed by Peter King: A new rule that NO HC candidates can be interviewed for any team until after the Super Bowl.
He says the current situation favors candidates who do not coach for teams still in the playoffs. And I guess that is a fair statement. McCarthy...out of coaching a year. Rivera...fired mid season. Rhule...a college coach whose season is over. Judge....his team out of the playoffs now.
ONLY the Browns are still in the process of interviewing coaches whose teams are still in it: Stefanski, Bienemy, Roman, Saleh. King says that the guys who coach for teams still playing are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to being hired. And, he says that particularly applies to Minority candidates. NFL owners tend to be conservative, but waiting until after the SB for any team to conduct interviews would even the playing field...for both guys whose teams are still active and for minorities.
Note: the talk this morning is that no "minority" coach has yet been hired.....but, to be honest, this claim is bogus. They are only referring to black coaches....but Rivera is certainly a minority as an Hispanic. And would they also not consider Saleh a "minority" because he is of (apparently) Middle Eastern/Arabic descent rather than black?
Nah Pete. Your proposed rule would put teams searching for new coaches at an extreme disadvantage. Assuming that they weren't interested in someone involved in the playoffs. Say the Browns really want Saleh. They're probably going to have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire him. The combine is just three weeks after. Not a lot of time to get organized. The Redskins in that scenario would have almost a month head start, as opposed to a week if we hire McDaniels. LOL, make it like college, where you can poach coaches before their Bowl games.
Regarding minority hires, Steven A Smith went on a tirade about that so over the top it was almost laughable. FYI Steve, the NFL isn't an affirmative action employer. The most qualified candidates get hired. So stop playing the race card.
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Another Saleh article... this one highlights a connection with Gary Kubiak. So those thinking of Kubiak for OC might have hope in this quarter as well...
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/01/07/cleveland-browns-robert-saleh-head-coach/
How is his health? That is why he retired as Broncos HC.
How is his health? That is why he retired as Broncos HC.
Wouldn't be much of a difference as currently. Maybe a bit, but he is coaching in Minnesota as of now.
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Also....this was proposed by Peter King: A new rule that NO HC candidates can be interviewed for any team until after the Super Bowl.
He says the current situation favors candidates who do not coach for teams still in the playoffs. And I guess that is a fair statement. McCarthy...out of coaching a year. Rivera...fired mid season. Rhule...a college coach whose season is over. Judge....his team out of the playoffs now.
ONLY the Browns are still in the process of interviewing coaches whose teams are still in it: Stefanski, Bienemy, Roman, Saleh. King says that the guys who coach for teams still playing are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to being hired. And, he says that particularly applies to Minority candidates. NFL owners tend to be conservative, but waiting until after the SB for any team to conduct interviews would even the playing field...for both guys whose teams are still active and for minorities.
Note: the talk this morning is that no "minority" coach has yet been hired.....but, to be honest, this claim is bogus. They are only referring to black coaches....but Rivera is certainly a minority as an Hispanic. And would they also not consider Saleh a "minority" because he is of (apparently) Middle Eastern/Arabic descent rather than black?
Nah Pete. Your proposed rule would put teams searching for new coaches at an extreme disadvantage. Assuming that they weren't interested in someone involved in the playoffs. Say the Browns really want Saleh. They're probably going to have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire him. The combine is just three weeks after. Not a lot of time to get organized. The Redskins in that scenario would have almost a month head start, as opposed to a week if we hire McDaniels. LOL, make it like college, where you can poach coaches before their Bowl games.
Regarding minority hires, Steven A Smith went on a tirade about that so over the top it was almost laughable. FYI Steve, the NFL isn't an affirmative action employer. The most qualified candidates get hired. So stop playing the race card.
Nah Pete. Your proposed rule would put teams searching for new coaches at an extreme disadvantage. Assuming that they weren't interested in someone involved in the playoffs. Say the Browns really want Saleh. They're probably going to have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire him. The combine is just three weeks after. Not a lot of time to get organized. The Redskins in that scenario would have almost a month head start, as opposed to a week if we hire McDaniels. LOL, make it like college, where you can poach coaches before their Bowl games.
But he says his rule would NOT give the Redsking a month head start. NO ONE would be allowed to interview for a new coach, even if they did not make the playoffs.
Regarding minority hires, Steven A Smith went on a tirade about that so over the top it was almost laughable. FYI Steve, the NFL isn't an affirmative action employer. The most qualified candidates get hired. So stop playing the race card.
They decried that there were only currently 4 minority HCs in the NFL....but the fact is, that mirrors the general population. 4 out of 32 is 12.5%. The population of the US is about 12% black. If you add in Hispanic/Asian etc., yes...the minority percentage of the population does go way up.
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Nah Pete. Your proposed rule would put teams searching for new coaches at an extreme disadvantage. Assuming that they weren't interested in someone involved in the playoffs. Say the Browns really want Saleh. They're probably going to have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire him. The combine is just three weeks after. Not a lot of time to get organized. The Redskins in that scenario would have almost a month head start, as opposed to a week if we hire McDaniels. LOL, make it like college, where you can poach coaches before their Bowl games.
But he says his rule would NOT give the Redsking a month head start. NO ONE would be allowed to interview for a new coach, even if they did not make the playoffs.
Regarding minority hires, Steven A Smith went on a tirade about that so over the top it was almost laughable. FYI Steve, the NFL isn't an affirmative action employer. The most qualified candidates get hired. So stop playing the race card.
They decried that there were only currently 4 minority HCs in the NFL....but the fact is, that mirrors the general population. 4 out of 32 is 12.5%. The population of the US is about 12% black. If you add in Hispanic/Asian etc., yes...the minority percentage of the population does go way up.
That's my point Tom. EVERY team looking for a new head coach would be at a serious disadvantage compared to the teams that weren't.
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I'm starting to think we don't want McDaniels and our coach will be somebody different. I mean, if we really wanted him, wouldn't we go out AND GET HIM?
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For what its worth:
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Seems like maybe Hispanics and Asians have more of a beef than Blacks do over the coach thing. Only Rivera is Hispanic.
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That's my point Tom. EVERY team looking for a new head coach would be at a serious disadvantage compared to the teams that weren't.
That's my point Tom. EVERY team looking for a new head coach would be at a serious disadvantage compared to the teams that weren't.
I guess I can see that, but...isn't it that way for every team that fires its HC no matter when a team begins it search for a new HC?
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I'm starting to think we don't want McDaniels and our coach will be somebody different. I mean, if we really wanted him, wouldn't we go out AND GET HIM?
I'm starting to think we don't want McDaniels and our coach will be somebody different. I mean, if we really wanted him, wouldn't we go out AND GET HIM?
Look at who we are dealing with at who is conducting the search. They may not really have a clue what they want to do...so they are shotgunning the process. There may also be the the long running riff......who Haslam wants in his heart, vs. what his people (Depo) are telling him what he should have.
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I guess I can see that, but...isn't it that way for every team that fires its HC no matter when a team begins it search for a new HC?
True, but the earlier you start the less of a disadvantage it is. It also (as I've said) gives you first shot at the best assistants.
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I'm hoping it's Greg Roman
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Nope, not happening. Browns saying the HC by Saturday. Not enough time to interview the outliers.
I guess my question is: why the major rush? It is not like they are now in competition with any other team now that all the other vacancies have been filled. It is not like they need someone on board to get started in recruiting...as is the case with a college coach situation. It is not like they need the HC on hand to handle practices. Why the rush?
Honestly...I would wait to see what happens in NE. In a bizarre, but not impossible scenario that I related...there is another name that could come available: Bill Belichick. Yes, weird, wacky, bizarre....but there is a power struggle going on there in NE, and it is NOT a slam dunk that BB wins it.
why the major rush? It is not like they are now in competition with any other team now that all the other vacancies have been filled.
...not a MAJOR rush, but you'd want to hire coordinators and assistants before all of the good ones are snatched away from you.
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There is a reason that teams are looking for a new head coach (with the slight exception every now and then). Those teams SHOULD have an advantage. It's the same reason that the draft is structured the way it is. It's to try and even the playing field.
Just think of it like this, the time it is taking all these teams to get coaches, add that on to after SB, where they still have to put together staffs, and upcoming draft and FA. Then look how that would compare to say KC, BAL, SF, GB, NO, NE, etc. That is giving the TOP teams the advantage
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Also....this was proposed by Peter King: A new rule that NO HC candidates can be interviewed for any team until after the Super Bowl.
He says the current situation favors candidates who do not coach for teams still in the playoffs. And I guess that is a fair statement. McCarthy...out of coaching a year. Rivera...fired mid season. Rhule...a college coach whose season is over. Judge....his team out of the playoffs now.
ONLY the Browns are still in the process of interviewing coaches whose teams are still in it: Stefanski, Bienemy, Roman, Saleh. King says that the guys who coach for teams still playing are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to being hired. And, he says that particularly applies to Minority candidates. NFL owners tend to be conservative, but waiting until after the SB for any team to conduct interviews would even the playing field...for both guys whose teams are still active and for minorities.
Note: the talk this morning is that no "minority" coach has yet been hired.....but, to be honest, this claim is bogus. They are only referring to black coaches....but Rivera is certainly a minority as an Hispanic. And would they also not consider Saleh a "minority" because he is of (apparently) Middle Eastern/Arabic descent rather than black?
Nah Pete. Your proposed rule would put teams searching for new coaches at an extreme disadvantage. Assuming that they weren't interested in someone involved in the playoffs. Say the Browns really want Saleh. They're probably going to have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire him. The combine is just three weeks after. Not a lot of time to get organized. The Redskins in that scenario would have almost a month head start, as opposed to a week if we hire McDaniels. LOL, make it like college, where you can poach coaches before their Bowl games.
Regarding minority hires, Steven A Smith went on a tirade about that so over the top it was almost laughable. FYI Steve, the NFL isn't an affirmative action employer. The most qualified candidates get hired. So stop playing the race card.
Nah Pete. Your proposed rule would put teams searching for new coaches at an extreme disadvantage. Assuming that they weren't interested in someone involved in the playoffs. Say the Browns really want Saleh. They're probably going to have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire him. The combine is just three weeks after. Not a lot of time to get organized.
Combine prep is more the purview of GMs and Scouts than HCs and their staff.
That said... teams who did not make the playoffs should get get the jump on HC and staff selection... same as they get earlier picks in the Draft.
...not a MAJOR rush, but you'd want to hire coordinators and assistants before all of the good ones are snatched away from you.
We're blessed to have so few HC openings this go 'round, but even in normal times the weight of getting the HC right is so much greater than having a deeper staff pool. And that pool is huge when you look in the college ranks as well as NFL retreads.
Most of the candidates know the key staffers they'd want... and have likely chatted with them about "hypothetical opportunities". Hell... they are asked about what their staffs might look like in the interview process.
Then add that staff turnover of those that weren't ready for prime time is not uncommon... especially at the position coach level... and there's always time for course correction.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
That said... teams who did not make the playoffs should get get the jump on HC and staff selection... same as they get earlier picks in the Draft.
King's point was likely more about the candidates whose teams are still in the playoffs not getting a fair chance to get the new jobs than it was about the teams getting a head start. They would be the ones at a disadvantage. In a sense, at least, that is true so far this year....The only guy hired so far that had an NFL job at the end of the season was Joe Judge, and his team had just been put out of the playoffs, and Boom....he gets the Giants gig, out of nowhere seemingly.
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Nah Pete. Your proposed rule would put teams searching for new coaches at an extreme disadvantage. Assuming that they weren't interested in someone involved in the playoffs. Say the Browns really want Saleh. They're probably going to have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire him. The combine is just three weeks after. Not a lot of time to get organized.
Combine prep is more the purview of GMs and Scouts than HCs and their staff.
That said... teams who did not make the playoffs should get get the jump on HC and staff selection... same as they get earlier picks in the Draft.
...not a MAJOR rush, but you'd want to hire coordinators and assistants before all of the good ones are snatched away from you.
We're blessed to have so few HC openings this go 'round, but even in normal times the weight of getting the HC right is so much greater than having a deeper staff pool. And that pool is huge when you look in the college ranks as well as NFL retreads.
Most of the candidates know the key staffers they'd want... and have likely chatted with them about "hypothetical opportunities". Hell... they are asked about what their staffs might look like in the interview process.
Then add that staff turnover of those that weren't ready for prime time is not uncommon... especially at the position coach level... and there's always time for course correction.
Combine prep is more the purview of GMs and Scouts than HCs and their staff.
i agree totally right here^^ maybe Haslam does trust Elliott Wolfe more than i thought? Wolfe is now a assistant GM to no one. Well rounded to be our draft/pro personal guy to bang heads with scouts than Gm's.. Alonzo Highsmith? not sure where this guy goes or is even still around? My guess Highsmith had big ties to Chad Thomas & Redwine being on the roster..The U is Highsmith's alum
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Nah Pete. Your proposed rule would put teams searching for new coaches at an extreme disadvantage. Assuming that they weren't interested in someone involved in the playoffs. Say the Browns really want Saleh. They're probably going to have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire him. The combine is just three weeks after. Not a lot of time to get organized.
Combine prep is more the purview of GMs and Scouts than HCs and their staff.
That said... teams who did not make the playoffs should get get the jump on HC and staff selection... same as they get earlier picks in the Draft.
...not a MAJOR rush, but you'd want to hire coordinators and assistants before all of the good ones are snatched away from you.
We're blessed to have so few HC openings this go 'round, but even in normal times the weight of getting the HC right is so much greater than having a deeper staff pool. And that pool is huge when you look in the college ranks as well as NFL retreads.
Most of the candidates know the key staffers they'd want... and have likely chatted with them about "hypothetical opportunities". Hell... they are asked about what their staffs might look like in the interview process.
Then add that staff turnover of those that weren't ready for prime time is not uncommon... especially at the position coach level... and there's always time for course correction.
Combine prep is more the purview of GMs and Scouts than HCs and their staff.
That said... teams who did not make the playoffs should get get the jump on HC and staff selection... same as they get earlier picks in the Draft.
but we don't have a GM yet Tour- at least one with the title. They had better keep Wolf around for that purpose, at least until after the draft. And the new HC had better be on board with whatever the scouting staff has in their reports.. The combine is at least 6 weeks away- but the grunts have been doing groundwork for months....
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