So, who would you pick as the next HC ?
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It will be Kevin Stefanski....imo, this came down to the years & money that McDaniels may want to rebuild this team his way..And am not a college coach either? They knew Stefanski's number from last season's interview..in the end, McDaniel's folded up his tent ?️ & went home over dollars... I like Kevin, he's a smart guy that just took his whining receiving core to "I guess it ain't all about me"
It will be Kevin Stefanski....imo, this came down to the years & money that McDaniels may want to rebuild this team his way..And am not a college coach either? They knew Stefanski's number from last season's interview..in the end, McDaniel's folded up his tent ?️ & went home over dollars... I like Kevin, he's a smart guy that just took his whining receiving core to "I guess it ain't all about me"
Worthy of note Gumbs; but are we giving Gary Kubiak enough credit for the turn around with the offense/passing game that started off in chaos this year? I don't know enough about the Stefanski but he was in charge of just 1 phase of the game in Minnesota. When I watched the Vikings beat New Orleans last week, the major reason they won the gridiron chess match came from their defensive line that devoured a very talented OL from New Orleans.
All that said, I think winning the turnover differential should also credit the offense (and Stefanski) for the better fundamental of securing the football. And when you have a back like Cook (like Flugel's FF team Drink Beer had) - it sure opens up opportunities for ideal play-action fakes from QB that Gary Kubiak is 2nd to none at utilizing. If Stefanski can retain some of the lessons learned via Kubiak and use them the same way elsewhere it would be nice. That said, once upon a time we KEPT Lindy Infante's offense after he departed to GB - and the new OC without the same detailed understanding of the offense had zero clue how to run it and the personnel to look to in various situations (ie; blue collar types like RB Herman Fontenot and WR Brian Brennan combined for 102 receptions almost exclusively on 3rd downs in 86)...
Stefanski is suddenly a popular choice; so I'm just trying to understand how he'll handle the divas in our WR Corps when they haven't really kept them all in tact in Minnesota. They even had a tantrum or 2 from Diggs on the sideline last week; but their defense dominated and swarmed Brees and company so much - it didn't matter. We don't have THAT defense or anything close to it.
I didn't think I'd ever believe Josh McDaniel would be a reliable choice after what he did to Indy until I learned Cleveland was his dream job. Looking at our LB, Safety and DL positions as well as our OT and TE positions here - there's a lot of makeover necessary. For those that think Denver was the tell-all when McDaniel was reaching puberty - Bill Belichick's 1st season in Cleveland was 6-10 in 91, 7-9 in 92, 7-9 in 93 even with coaches like Nick Saban and Kirk Ferentz on the staff. Then he backed out of the Jets HC position before accepting a position with the Patriots that had played in a recent SB and frequented playoffs prior. In essence, it was his first time he joined an ideal nucleus capable of rewarding all his unique strengths. While we need the changes I spoke of - there's also a good nucleus of guys to build around like (Chubb, Hunt, Landry, Bitonio, Teller, Tretter). Maybe we'll even see why Njoku is a 1st round TE. I've liked how NE always utilized all the varying skills of their RBs in the game plans with the perfect situations.
The biggest changes and improvements we need here are the basic fundamentals and mechanics missing on offense and defense that usually stem from a lack of repetition in practice leading to penalties and turnovers while hurting our time of possession battles. For those of us sick of watching Freddie trying to just wing it during goal to goal situations without practicing situational football - McDaniel is the exact opposite.
My second choice is Schwartz. Once upon a time Detroilet was 0-16 before Schwartz had them playing SF's SB bound team in the playoffs within a couple years or so.
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Well said Flug ? and who was that last diva WR that won* a SB? ________ Steve Smith? Randy Moss? Micheal Irvin? I'd prefer the list of diva DB's covering these WR diva's (Sanders/Sherman ect. ect.).. Coaches sign up expecting to get fired! Diva WR's get paid first, than they get fired to do TV shows..
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According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
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Another thing that bothers me about McD...
I can't recall seeing him interact with anyone on the Pat's sideline other than Tom or Bill.
Another thing that bothers me about McD...
I can't recall seeing him interact with anyone on the Pat's sideline other than Tom or Bill.
Well, those are the stars that the TV cameras focus on, and likely the two people he would spend his time interacting with. He was theOC/play caller, and the QB is after all the guy that relates the plays called to the rest of the team. The QB is the conduit from the OC to the offense....so he should be spending most of his time talking to those 2. Also, I doubt they had a camera on him the whole time. When he was interacting with others, they likely didn't feel the need to put him on camera.
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According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
Freddie part deux?
Another fat bald white guy?
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According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
And Saleh had a strong interview too. Don't read much into it.
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According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
And Saleh had a strong interview too. Don't read much into it.
And Saleh had a strong interview too. Don't read much into it.
Just sharing. Whoever it is, I’m sure will be an upgrade over the last 2 hires
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I can see the headline already...
"STRONG INTERVIEW LEADS BROWNS TO SUPER BOWL WIN!"
Mike
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I'm more interested in what DC, QB Coach and OC will be hired. Probably the three most crucial hires.
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I'm more interested in what DC, QB Coach and OC will be hired. Probably the three most crucial hires.
I'm more interested in what DC, QB Coach and OC will be hired. Probably the three most crucial hires.
Agreed. That's why waiting longer is worrisome.
Mike
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
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Hmmmm... latest from NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001095822/article/browns-request-interview-with-colts-ed-dodds-for-gm
If that's the case, would seem to lean towards Saleh.... McDaniels would probably want one of his New England pals as GM.
IIRC, if the decision has been made, and the new coach's team is still involved in the playoffs, it can't be announced until after said team is eliminated. The negative about Saleh- assuming the 49ers make the Super Bowl, is we're going to get last choice on assistant coaches. And we know how that played out when the Browns hired Mike Pettine.
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Your opinion is superfluous. I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players.....as long as he gets rid of the visor. That makes him look non - serious, like a kid.
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Your opinion is superfluous. I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players.....as long as he gets rid of the visor. That makes him look non - serious, like a kid.
I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players....
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
edit: That's not even to mention what went down with Indy. That was bush league shit.
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I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players....
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
edit: That's not even to mention what went down with Indy. That was bush league shit.
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
True, but should the Browns hire McDaniels, I doubt he's going to get final say on players.
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Why would Schwartz take a lateral move to Coordinate a defense in Cleveland? I used to agree with your thought about McDaniel; but it looked like he finally reached puberty a year or 2 after his Denver experience.
I'm actually more worried about Stefanski's ability to be THE "leader of Men" here. Kubiak already had to bail Stefanski out earlier this year when various important men on the Vikings offense were protesting his leadership of the passing game.
As long as Stefanski has been with the Vikings, they've seemed reluctant to even give him the QB Coach Title without making him share it with another coach as I'll cut and paste:
Year Position
2006 Minnesota Vikings Assistant to the Head Coach
2007 Minnesota Vikings Assistant to the Head Coach
2008 Minnesota Vikings Assistant to the Head Coach
2009 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach / Offensive Quality Control Coach
2010 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach
2011 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach
2012 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach
2013 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach
2014 Minnesota Vikings Tight Ends Coach
2015 Minnesota Vikings Tight Ends Coach
2016 Minnesota Vikings Running Backs Coach
2017 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach
2018 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach
2019 Minnesota Vikings Offensive Coordinator - a year the Kubiak intervention was very necessary
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I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players....
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
edit: That's not even to mention what went down with Indy. That was bush league shit.
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
edit: That's not even to mention what went down with Indy. That was bush league shit.
Well, you are just speculating....making an ass of yourself by assuming. Essentially....anything McD did with what you describe up there BB did before him and better/worse.
BB had some SB rings as DC of the NYG. BB clearly threw Bernie under the bus...and the whole team by cutting him and putting in Todd Phucking Phicox. There has been no worse personell choice in Browns history than that. Hell, at least Tim Tebow won a playoff game for McD. And he BB lost the locker room basically 2 years running. And the Indy thing with McD: Remember BBs one day stint as HC of the NYJ.....that was some even bigger bush league shit.
So, obviously, per the BB example, the things you gripe about don't mean shit, if he can come in here and win. And, of course, it will help if he has a great QB. (as it would help any coach who ever donned a headset)
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For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
True, but should the Browns hire McDaniels, I doubt he's going to get final say on players.
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
My thoughts exactly on McDaniels.
Im kind of leaning toward Saleh or Stefanski.
And i want Phillips as the DC.
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