So, who would you pick as the next HC ?
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According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
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Another thing that bothers me about McD...
I can't recall seeing him interact with anyone on the Pat's sideline other than Tom or Bill.
Another thing that bothers me about McD...
I can't recall seeing him interact with anyone on the Pat's sideline other than Tom or Bill.
Well, those are the stars that the TV cameras focus on, and likely the two people he would spend his time interacting with. He was theOC/play caller, and the QB is after all the guy that relates the plays called to the rest of the team. The QB is the conduit from the OC to the offense....so he should be spending most of his time talking to those 2. Also, I doubt they had a camera on him the whole time. When he was interacting with others, they likely didn't feel the need to put him on camera.
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According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
Freddie part deux?
Another fat bald white guy?
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According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
And Saleh had a strong interview too. Don't read much into it.
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According to a report, Daboll is being considered after a “strong”interview.
And Saleh had a strong interview too. Don't read much into it.
And Saleh had a strong interview too. Don't read much into it.
Just sharing. Whoever it is, I’m sure will be an upgrade over the last 2 hires
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I can see the headline already...
"STRONG INTERVIEW LEADS BROWNS TO SUPER BOWL WIN!"
Mike
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I'm more interested in what DC, QB Coach and OC will be hired. Probably the three most crucial hires.
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I'm more interested in what DC, QB Coach and OC will be hired. Probably the three most crucial hires.
I'm more interested in what DC, QB Coach and OC will be hired. Probably the three most crucial hires.
Agreed. That's why waiting longer is worrisome.
Mike
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
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Hmmmm... latest from NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001095822/article/browns-request-interview-with-colts-ed-dodds-for-gm
If that's the case, would seem to lean towards Saleh.... McDaniels would probably want one of his New England pals as GM.
IIRC, if the decision has been made, and the new coach's team is still involved in the playoffs, it can't be announced until after said team is eliminated. The negative about Saleh- assuming the 49ers make the Super Bowl, is we're going to get last choice on assistant coaches. And we know how that played out when the Browns hired Mike Pettine.
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Your opinion is superfluous. I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players.....as long as he gets rid of the visor. That makes him look non - serious, like a kid.
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Your opinion is superfluous. I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players.....as long as he gets rid of the visor. That makes him look non - serious, like a kid.
I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players....
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
edit: That's not even to mention what went down with Indy. That was bush league shit.
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I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players....
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
edit: That's not even to mention what went down with Indy. That was bush league shit.
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
True, but should the Browns hire McDaniels, I doubt he's going to get final say on players.
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Why would Schwartz take a lateral move to Coordinate a defense in Cleveland? I used to agree with your thought about McDaniel; but it looked like he finally reached puberty a year or 2 after his Denver experience.
I'm actually more worried about Stefanski's ability to be THE "leader of Men" here. Kubiak already had to bail Stefanski out earlier this year when various important men on the Vikings offense were protesting his leadership of the passing game.
As long as Stefanski has been with the Vikings, they've seemed reluctant to even give him the QB Coach Title without making him share it with another coach as I'll cut and paste:
Year Position
2006 Minnesota Vikings Assistant to the Head Coach
2007 Minnesota Vikings Assistant to the Head Coach
2008 Minnesota Vikings Assistant to the Head Coach
2009 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach / Offensive Quality Control Coach
2010 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach
2011 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach
2012 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach
2013 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach
2014 Minnesota Vikings Tight Ends Coach
2015 Minnesota Vikings Tight Ends Coach
2016 Minnesota Vikings Running Backs Coach
2017 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach
2018 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach
2019 Minnesota Vikings Offensive Coordinator - a year the Kubiak intervention was very necessary
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I suspect that Six Super Bowl rings gives the guy a lot of credibility as a leader with players....
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
edit: That's not even to mention what went down with Indy. That was bush league shit.
For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
edit: That's not even to mention what went down with Indy. That was bush league shit.
Well, you are just speculating....making an ass of yourself by assuming. Essentially....anything McD did with what you describe up there BB did before him and better/worse.
BB had some SB rings as DC of the NYG. BB clearly threw Bernie under the bus...and the whole team by cutting him and putting in Todd Phucking Phicox. There has been no worse personell choice in Browns history than that. Hell, at least Tim Tebow won a playoff game for McD. And he BB lost the locker room basically 2 years running. And the Indy thing with McD: Remember BBs one day stint as HC of the NYJ.....that was some even bigger bush league shit.
So, obviously, per the BB example, the things you gripe about don't mean shit, if he can come in here and win. And, of course, it will help if he has a great QB. (as it would help any coach who ever donned a headset)
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For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
True, but should the Browns hire McDaniels, I doubt he's going to get final say on players.
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Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
Ideally under our current circumstances? I'd be cool with Stef, Kubiak as the OC/Asst Hc and Schwartz or Phillips as DC.
edit: And for the many here that want a HC who is a "leader of men"... I would have a hard time playing for McDaniels and taking him seriously as that.
My thoughts exactly on McDaniels.
Im kind of leaning toward Saleh or Stefanski.
And i want Phillips as the DC.
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For about 5 minutes. Then when he has control of his own team and, god forbid - things go sideways, those rings really won't mean jack shit then, do they? Credibility as a play caller and schematic mind? Sure. But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
Those 3 rings sure didn't help him from losing control of the Denver locker room, throwing some of his players under the bus and making some of the most obviously questionable personnel choices this side of Mike Holmgren.
True, but should the Browns hire McDaniels, I doubt he's going to get final say on players.
True, but should the Browns hire McDaniels, I doubt he's going to get final say on players.
Very little evidence and history to back this up. Especially if McD is "picking" the GM. He had say in Denver, BB has the say the NE. Whom do you think he molds himself after?
Why would Schwartz take a lateral move to Coordinate a defense in Cleveland?
Contract expires with Philly. May mutually be looking for a new change in scenery.
Well, you are just speculating....making an ass of yourself by assuming. Essentially....anything McD did with what you describe up there BB did before him and better/worse.
BB had some SB rings as DC of the NYG. BB clearly threw Bernie under the bus...and the whole team by cutting him and putting in Todd Phucking Phicox. There has been no worse personell choice in Browns history than that. Hell, at least Tim Tebow won a playoff game for McD. And he BB lost the locker room basically 2 years running. And the Indy thing with McD: Remember BBs one day stint as HC of the NYJ.....that was some even bigger bush league shit.
So, obviously, per the BB example, the things you gripe about don't mean shit, if he can come in here and win. And, of course, it will help if he has a great QB. (as it would help any coach who ever donned a headset)
First off... STHEEFU. That's all most of what we do - speculation. But I'm not making an ass of myself as history has shown, that is exactly what happened in Denver. Accept it or keep your head up your ass. At least there you can't see the screen to type.
BB has nothing to do with this conversation. When you want to converse like an adult, get at me. BB isn't the "leader" in that locker room - that would be Brady. Which is exactly why that relationship works the way it does. Tom is the fiery leader for his man, BB is the mind.
My thoughts exactly on McDaniels.
Im kind of leaning toward Saleh or Stefanski.
And i want Phillips as the DC.
Saleh is another interesting name. I wonder who he would bring from SF? I would love a Shanny type mind to help craft this offense. Between my calls for more 12 personnel, under center work and using the sprint outs, waggles, boots... Would be a great
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True, but should the Browns hire McDaniels, I doubt he's going to get final say on players.
Very little evidence and history to back this up. Especially if McD is "picking" the GM. He had say in Denver, BB has the say the NE. Whom do you think he molds himself after?
Why would Schwartz take a lateral move to Coordinate a defense in Cleveland?
Contract expires with Philly. May mutually be looking for a new change in scenery.
Well, you are just speculating....making an ass of yourself by assuming. Essentially....anything McD did with what you describe up there BB did before him and better/worse.
BB had some SB rings as DC of the NYG. BB clearly threw Bernie under the bus...and the whole team by cutting him and putting in Todd Phucking Phicox. There has been no worse personell choice in Browns history than that. Hell, at least Tim Tebow won a playoff game for McD. And he BB lost the locker room basically 2 years running. And the Indy thing with McD: Remember BBs one day stint as HC of the NYJ.....that was some even bigger bush league shit.
So, obviously, per the BB example, the things you gripe about don't mean shit, if he can come in here and win. And, of course, it will help if he has a great QB. (as it would help any coach who ever donned a headset)
First off... STHEEFU. That's all most of what we do - speculation. But I'm not making an ass of myself as history has shown, that is exactly what happened in Denver. Accept it or keep your head up your ass. At least there you can't see the screen to type.
BB has nothing to do with this conversation. When you want to converse like an adult, get at me. BB isn't the "leader" in that locker room - that would be Brady. Which is exactly why that relationship works the way it does. Tom is the fiery leader for his man, BB is the mind.
My thoughts exactly on McDaniels.
Im kind of leaning toward Saleh or Stefanski.
And i want Phillips as the DC.
Saleh is another interesting name. I wonder who he would bring from SF? I would love a Shanny type mind to help craft this offense. Between my calls for more 12 personnel, under center work and using the sprint outs, waggles, boots... Would be a great
Very little evidence and history to back this up. Especially if McD is "picking" the GM. He had say in Denver, BB has the say the NE. Whom do you think he molds himself after?
Contract expires with Philly. May mutually be looking for a new change in scenery.
First off... STHEEFU. That's all most of what we do - speculation. But I'm not making an ass of myself as history has shown, that is exactly what happened in Denver. Accept it or keep your head up your ass. At least there you can't see the screen to type.
Of course you assumed. You said this: But on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in OTA's, mini camp, etc etc where you forge your teams identity and players know they trust your vision, leadership, wisdom and guidance? Completely different story.
If that is not pure assumption on your part that McD would not bring vision, leadership, wisdom, guidance to this team...then what the fuck was it?
BB has nothing to do with this conversation. When you want to converse like an adult, get at me. BB isn't the "leader" in that locker room - that would be Brady. Which is exactly why that relationship works the way it does. Tom is the fiery leader for his man, BB is the mind.
Actually....you make my case better than I did. BB is in this conversation because: A. McD. is a BB protoge, and what he learned as a football coach came much from him. B. Some of what McD has gone through perfectly parallels some of what BB went through...as I detailed, so they each have similar experiences and C. The BB/Brady relationship as you describe is essentially, precisely what we would want here with the McD./Baker relationship. Another perfect parallel. We would want McD to be the mind and Baker to be the fiery leader.
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