Mac Speedie enters HOF, Modell OUT

The Gipper

Here are the Senior players nominated. Anyone whose career ended more than 25 years ago

SENIORS (20 FINALISTS) - A player who last played more than 25 seasons ago

Cliff Branch, WR - 1972-1985 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders

Harold Carmichael, WR - 1971-1983 Philadelphia Eagles, 1984 Dallas Cowboys

Jim Covert, T - 1983-1990 Chicago Bears

Roger Craig, RB - 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings

Bobby Dillon, S - 1952-59 Green Bay Packers

LaVern Dilweg, E - 1926 Milwaukee Badgers, 1927-1934 Green Bay Packers

Ox Emerson, G/LB/C - 1931-37 Portsmouth Spartans/Detroit Lions, 1938 Brooklyn Dodgers

Randy Gradishar, LB - 1974-1983 Denver Broncos

Cliff Harris, S - 1970-79 Dallas Cowboys

Winston Hill, T - 1963-1976 New York Jets, 1977 Los Angeles Rams

Cecil Isbell, TB/DB/HB - 1938-1942 Green Bay Packers

Alex Karras, DT - 1958-1962, 1964-1970 Detroit Lions

Verne Lewellen, HB - 1924-27, 1928-1932 Green Bay Packers, 1927 New York Yankees

Tommy Nobis, LB - 1966-1976 Atlanta Falcons

Drew Pearson, WR - 1973-1983 Dallas Cowboys

Donnie Shell, S - 1974-1987 Pittsburgh Steelers

Duke Slater, T - 1922 Milwaukee Badgers, 1922-25 Rock Island Independents, 1926-1931 Chicago Cardinals

Mac Speedie, E - 1946-1952 Cleveland Browns [AAFC/NFL]

Ed Sprinkle, DE/LB/E - 1944-1955 Chicago Bears

Al Wistert, OT/DT/G - 1943 Phil-Pitt, 1944-1951 Philadelphia Eagles

The Gipper

OK, so apparently the 20 members of the Centennial Class will include the 5 Modern Players to be inducted from the list in the OP above.

So, in essence, the "special class" is only 15 people. This is good in this sense: it reduces the chances that fucking Art Modell would be selected. Why they keep bringing his name up in this process, I don't know.

gumby73

@mjp28 said:

The NFL HOF President and CEO came on CBS live in the pregame and told Bill Cowher he was in.

His wife and daughter were there, quite a moving moment.

Props to CBS on that moment..that was a very cool way of doing it right.. Congrats Coach Cowher & the thanks to Marty gave me those old day chills..Well Done all around ?

The Gipper

@gumby73 said:

Props to CBS on that moment..that was a very cool way of doing it right.. Congrats Coach Cowher & the thanks to Marty gave me those old day chills..Well Done all around ?

I guess we should ask: why isn't Marty on that list? Every other one of the Top Ten winningest coaches are in the HOF or are on that list, except Belichick and Reid, who are still active and not eligible:

Rk

Coach

Yrs

Yr-Yr

G

W

L

T

W-L%

G > .500

Yr plyf

G plyf

W plyf

L plyf

W-L%

AvRk

BstRk

Chmp

SBwl

Conf

1

Don Shula+

33

1963-1995

490

328

156

6

.677

172

19

36

19

17

.528

1.8

1

2

6

2

George Halas+

40

1920-1967

497

318

148

31

.682

170

8

9

6

3

.667

2.7

1

6

0

3

Bill Belichick

25

1991-2019

400

273

127

0

.683

146

18

43

31

12

.721

1.6

1

6

9

4

Tom Landry+

29

1960-1988

418

250

162

6

.607

88

18

36

20

16

.556

2.4

1

2

5

Curly Lambeau+

33

1921-1953

380

226

132

22

.631

94

5

3

2

.600

3.2

1

6

0

6

Paul Brown+

25

1946-1975

326

213

104

9

.672

109

15

17

9

8

.529

2.0

1

7

0

7

Andy Reid

21

1999-2019

336

207

128

1

.618

79

14

26

12

14

.462

2.0

1

0

1

8

Marty Schottenheimer

21

1984-2006

327

200

126

1

.613

74

13

18

5

13

.278

2.0

1

0

9

Chuck Noll+

9	Chuck Noll+	23	1969-1991	342	193	148	1	.566	45	12	24	16	8	.667	2.1	1	4	4	4
10	Dan Reeves	23	1981-2003	357	190	165	2	.535	25	9

23

1969

gumby73

That's a very fair question Gip...and I had forgotten Marty coached just has many games as the great Paul Brown..but Marty's playoff percentage may have a lot to do with it though?

mjp28

@gumby73 said:

That's a very fair question Gip...and I had forgotten Marty coached just has many games as the great Paul Brown..but Marty's playoff percentage may have a lot to do with it though?

Remember too a lot of the old-timers only had 12 or 14 game seasons and where measured fewer playoff games.

And Halas had 31 ties? Wow different era of football.

jbluhm86

@mjp28 said:

The NFL HOF President and CEO came on CBS live in the pregame and told Bill Cowher he was in.

His wife and daughter were there, quite a moving moment.

VIDEO:

Even though he is a Steeler, you still got to tip you cap to the guy. Well done, Coach.

nickers

@mjp28 said:

The NFL HOF President and CEO came on CBS live in the pregame and told Bill Cowher he was in.

His wife and daughter were there, quite a moving moment.

Fuck him... He doesn't deserve it..

The Gipper

@the-gipper said:

The following are the Coaches that are under consideration for the Centennial Class. While Cowher has been announced he may not be the only one.

COACHES (8 FINALISTS) - Coaches who last coached more than five seasons ago

Don Coryell - 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers

Bill Cowher - 1992-2006 Pittsburgh Steelers.....already announced as selected.

Tom Flores - 1979-1987 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-94 Seattle Seahawks

Mike Holmgren - 1992-98 Green Bay Packers, 1999-2008 Seattle Seahawks

Jimmy Johnson - 1989-1993 Dallas Cowboys, 1996-99 Miami Dolphins

Buddy Parker - 1949 Chicago Cardinals, 1951-56 Detroit Lions, 1957-1964 Pittsburgh Steelers

Dan Reeves - 1981-1992 Denver Broncos, 1993-96 New York Giants, 1997-2003 Atlanta Falcons

Dick Vermeil - 1976-1982 Philadelphia Eagles, 1997-99 St. Louis Rams, 2001-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Besides Cowher, who else should make it? If any

Jimmy Johnson just named to the HOF. Did he and Cowher really deserve it over Coryell, Flores, Holmgren, Parker, Reeves, Vermeil?

Or did those two get it because they are personalities on the Gameday shows on CBS and Fox respectively. Seems like that, a bit.

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

Jimmy Johnson just named to the HOF. Did he and Cowher really deserve it over Coryell, Flores, Holmgren, Parker, Reeves, Vermeil?

Or did those two get it because they are personalities on the Gameday shows on CBS and Fox respectively. Seems like that, a bit.

Just saw it live on FOX at halftime. Jimmy was very moved and choked up he did mention his former assistant coaches and players he could barely talk.

But still you hope that the on air exposure wasn't any kind of a factor getting into the NFL HOF.

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

Just saw it live on FOX at halftime. Jimmy was very moved and choked up he did mention his former assistant coaches and players he could barely talk.

But still you hope that the on air exposure was any kind of a factor getting into the NFL HOF.

I assume you meant to put a NOT in there somewhere.

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

I assume you meant to put a NOT in there somewhere.

Yeah it does sound better that way.

Bob806

@nickers said:

Fuck him... He doesn't deserve it..

I tend to agree. He lost several AFC Title games in his own stadium.

Gorka

@the-gipper said:

Jimmy Johnson just named to the HOF. Did he and Cowher really deserve it over Coryell, Flores, Holmgren, Parker, Reeves, Vermeil?

Or did those two get it because they are personalities on the Gameday shows on CBS and Fox respectively. Seems like that, a bit.

Cowher probably. But Johnson???

Most of the coaches you listed including Johnson didn't even make this list. But Marty did.

Cowher won a lot. Won the division 8 out the 15 yrs he coached.

A tad better resume than HOF'er Tony Dungy. So yeah he deserves it if Dungy does.

17. Bill Cowher

Pittsburgh 1992-2006

149-90-1 (15 years), 12-9 in playoffs

8 division titles

2 Super Bowl appearances (XXX, XL)

Super Bowl XL champion

15. Tony Dungy

Tampa Bay 1996-2001; Indianapolis 2002-08

139-69 (13 years), 9-10 in playoffs

6 division titles

Super Bowl XLI champion

Pro Football Hall of Fame, Class of 2016

Apparently the criteria for Marty making this list has nothing to do with Super Bowls or playoff wins.

21. Marty Schottenheimer

Cleveland 1984-88; Kansas City 1989-98; Washington 2001; San Diego 2002-06

200-126-1 (21 years), 5-13 in playoffs

8 division titles

Schottenheimer coached four different teams and had only two losing seasons. That tells you how good he was.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-head-coaches-nfl-history

Dutch Oven

Shottenheimer was a great regular season head coach.

Awful in the playoffs. Not middling, not mediocre, but awful.

mjp28

@dutch-oven said:

Shottenheimer was a great regular season head coach.

Awful in the playoffs. Not middling, not mediocre, but awful.

To be nice he just wasn't "opportunistic".

No trophies will be named after him.

Browns149

Tom Flores should’ve been in before Cowher. He won 2 Super Bowls

Dutch Oven

@mjp28 said:

To be nice he just wasn't "opportunistic".

No trophies will be named after him.

Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty.

nickers

@dutch-oven said:

Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty.

Marty's problem was he never learned from his mistakes.. He was a professional circle jerk as far as coaching goes

mjp28

@dutch-oven said:

Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty.

Same with Marv Levy, great coaches, great guys -but- didn't get the big one.