Analytics in football
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We’ll just see
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I always wondered about the validity of analytics, at least with regard to football players and in relation to analytics as used to evaluate baseball players. The point of it all is to gauge success rates to opportunities. The opportunities in baseball are much much higher in baseball than football.
If a batter sees 5 pitches each PA and gets 4 PAs per game, over a week of time that equates to 140 opportunities to hit a baseball. Jarvis Landry had 83 receptions on 138 targets last year, roughly the same amount of opportunities as the baseball player had in one week.
In a football player’s career they will likely have less opportunities than a baseball player will have in just one year, so l can’t help but wonder how reliable that data is?
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No doubt. You are being tested when you go in to Wal-Mart to fill out a application at their employment center computer kiosk. It records how fast you typed and when you backed spaced to correct spelling, etc. It's used everywhere. Just another tool for companies to better gauge your intelligence
If typing speed and accuracy = intelligence, then I'm fucked...
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Me too Tour, me too! LOL
Mike
My new computer is so fast it makes me think maybe I'm getting faster. But analytics proves it's just the computer. ??
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Anal-Litticks sounds as stupid to me now.. As when I first heard of it.. You can't measure heart or desire with it... To me.. It sounds like Corporate hogwash..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
si to the rescue....
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It's About Time The Browns Joined Football's Modern Age
Pete Smith
17 hours ago
In the wake of hiring Kevin Stefanski as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, there's been a bunch of excellent reporting delving into the process that went into the hire as well some of the details that are going to come as a result. One of the areas that has been mentioned is the notion of Paul DePodesta's analytics department being involved in game planning, which is to say the coaching staff will be providing them with game plans.
https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/1216510921947914240As mentioned by Dustin Fox of 92.3 The Fan, the coaching staff would provide game plans to the analytics department and have some meetings with them before games. This is not only smart, but should be expected from a team that is worth over $1 billion that is trying to compete each and every week, because other teams are already doing it.
While this is being interpreted as micromanagement, it's actually an incredibly supportive role that just becomes an extension of the coaching staff and only helps them as well as players become more prepared before as well as during the game.
A coach provide the analytics department a gameplan. That department then provides relevant data to help both the coaches and players, going along with their film work. For example, if the Browns are planning to use a specific personnel group on offense, the analytics department is going to provide them with as much information as possible as it relates to what the defense has shown up to that point.
Defenses are lining up certain ways, depending on down and distance, their likelihood to blitz, where they tend to blitz, what type of coverages they are likely to run, their specific tendency for dealing with a primary receiver, so on and so forth. They would also provide some self scouting information such as how often they are successful in that personnel group, which formations they've experienced the most success and particular plays or players that have excelled.
They aren't telling the coaching staff what to do, but are simply giving them data, so when they are deciding, they are able to make an informed decision, assuming they choose to use it. Being less reliant on a gut instinct and feeling more confident in decisions because there's information saying it's a prudent decision is beneficial and improves time management.
The meetings that would happen before the game would largely be for the analytics department to make sure they have all the relevant data the coaching staff wants. In other words, at no point in the game are they caught flat footed, unable to provide desired information to a coach. This is no different from what coaches meetings discuss before games; making sure they have everything covered, so they can be prepared during the game. The analytics department is simply a support staff that is trying to anticipate the needs of the coaching staff, so they can focus entirely on beating the opponent rather than searching for information.
During a game, Kevin Stefanski will have access to his coaches through his headset, but he also effectively has access to the internet and a team of people willing to get him whatever he wants at a moment's notice. While coaches are talking to the offense on the sideline, the analytics department is gathering information that's relevant for what they are discussing in the moment as well as information for the next drive.
An effective analytics department during the game acts effectively as a coaching staff's personal assistant. They take care of some of the tasks the coach doesn't want to do during the game, so they can focus on on the critical decisions they were hired to make. At times, the data going to be a factor at all, but there are times when that extra set of eyes and hands specifically geared to make the coach's job easier are going to make a huge difference.
Any number of successful teams do this, but the Baltimore Ravens and Philadelphia Eagles are quite public about their willingness to embrace data in games. They are operating on the cutting edge while anyone who isn't embracing this type of data is at a disadvantage. The fact the Browns weren't doing this before is what should be of concern. They are coming at this and adapting late, which given their results for the past few decades, shouldn't come as a surprise.
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... or as Billy Beane put it... "Adapt or die, bitches"...
Actually I added the "bitches"...
si to the rescue....
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It's About Time The Browns Joined Football's Modern Age
Pete Smith
17 hours ago
In the wake of hiring Kevin Stefanski as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, there's been a bunch of excellent reporting delving into the process that went into the hire as well some of the details that are going to come as a result. One of the areas that has been mentioned is the notion of Paul DePodesta's analytics department being involved in game planning, which is to say the coaching staff will be providing them with game plans.
https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/1216510921947914240As mentioned by Dustin Fox of 92.3 The Fan, the coaching staff would provide game plans to the analytics department and have some meetings with them before games. This is not only smart, but should be expected from a team that is worth over $1 billion that is trying to compete each and every week, because other teams are already doing it.
While this is being interpreted as micromanagement, it's actually an incredibly supportive role that just becomes an extension of the coaching staff and only helps them as well as players become more prepared before as well as during the game.
A coach provide the analytics department a gameplan. That department then provides relevant data to help both the coaches and players, going along with their film work. For example, if the Browns are planning to use a specific personnel group on offense, the analytics department is going to provide them with as much information as possible as it relates to what the defense has shown up to that point.
Defenses are lining up certain ways, depending on down and distance, their likelihood to blitz, where they tend to blitz, what type of coverages they are likely to run, their specific tendency for dealing with a primary receiver, so on and so forth. They would also provide some self scouting information such as how often they are successful in that personnel group, which formations they've experienced the most success and particular plays or players that have excelled.
They aren't telling the coaching staff what to do, but are simply giving them data, so when they are deciding, they are able to make an informed decision, assuming they choose to use it. Being less reliant on a gut instinct and feeling more confident in decisions because there's information saying it's a prudent decision is beneficial and improves time management.
The meetings that would happen before the game would largely be for the analytics department to make sure they have all the relevant data the coaching staff wants. In other words, at no point in the game are they caught flat footed, unable to provide desired information to a coach. This is no different from what coaches meetings discuss before games; making sure they have everything covered, so they can be prepared during the game. The analytics department is simply a support staff that is trying to anticipate the needs of the coaching staff, so they can focus entirely on beating the opponent rather than searching for information.
During a game, Kevin Stefanski will have access to his coaches through his headset, but he also effectively has access to the internet and a team of people willing to get him whatever he wants at a moment's notice. While coaches are talking to the offense on the sideline, the analytics department is gathering information that's relevant for what they are discussing in the moment as well as information for the next drive.
An effective analytics department during the game acts effectively as a coaching staff's personal assistant. They take care of some of the tasks the coach doesn't want to do during the game, so they can focus on on the critical decisions they were hired to make. At times, the data going to be a factor at all, but there are times when that extra set of eyes and hands specifically geared to make the coach's job easier are going to make a huge difference.
Any number of successful teams do this, but the Baltimore Ravens and Philadelphia Eagles are quite public about their willingness to embrace data in games. They are operating on the cutting edge while anyone who isn't embracing this type of data is at a disadvantage. The fact the Browns weren't doing this before is what should be of concern. They are coming at this and adapting late, which given their results for the past few decades, shouldn't come as a surprise.
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... or as Billy Beane put it... "Adapt or die, bitches"...
Actually I added the "bitches"...
OK- when I first heard this it was WTF in hell are they going to try now? So teams are now going to play an extremely advanced computerized game of Madden. Except it's for real, in Actual NFL games. This being the case, no wonder McDaniels told the Browns- "No Thanks".
I borrowed this from Dustin Fox's Twitter feed. I'm sure a lot of Browns fans share the sentiment.
Here's Jimmy, Depodesta, and the rest of the analytics team going over the head coaches game plan at the end of the week to give their approval.
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"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Just some further thoughts on the "nouveau" analytics approach. The Ravens are doing it? Didn't help them much against the Titans, did it? Sorry that 8 in the box didn't work against Henry. Update the analytics.
And West Side Steve brought up a point to consider- when everyone is shooting the same guns, your tactical advantage is zero. We use our analytics to figure out the best way to attack the Ravens defense- Baltimore is using their analytics as to what plays the Browns offense will likely use in a given formation. Standoff.
Do your job? What's a coach to say to a player when he has to tell them - the computer said you screwed up.
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Jimmy looks drunk already.
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Anal-Litticks sounds as stupid to me now.. As when I first heard of it.. You can't measure heart or desire with it... To me.. It sounds like Corporate hogwash..
Anal-Litticks sounds as stupid to me now.. As when I first heard of it.. You can't measure heart or desire with it... To me.. It sounds like Corporate hogwash..
Oh my god. Old guy says old guy things.
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Anal-Litticks sounds as stupid to me now.. As when I first heard of it.. You can't measure heart or desire with it... To me.. It sounds like Corporate hogwash..
Anal-Litticks sounds as stupid to me now.. As when I first heard of it.. You can't measure heart or desire with it... To me.. It sounds like Corporate hogwash..
Oh my god. Old guy says old guy things.
Nickers, I've got your back. Analytics, like computers, are great tools. However, if you become totally dependent on them, you have problems.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
You anti-analytics guys have it wrong.
There isn't anything wrong with using analytics.
The real problem is the Browns analytics guys suck.
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You anti-analytics guys have it wrong.
There isn't anything wrong with using analytics.
The real problem is the Browns analytics guys suck.
You anti-analytics guys have it wrong.
There isn't anything wrong with using analytics.
The real problem is the Browns analytics guys suck.
I never cared how they did the spreadsheets as long as they were correct......then give them to me.
Same with any stats or analytics.
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Anal-Litticks sounds as stupid to me now.. As when I first heard of it.. You can't measure heart or desire with it... To me.. It sounds like Corporate hogwash..
Oh my god. Old guy says old guy things.
Nickers, I've got your back. Analytics, like computers, are great tools. However, if you become totally dependent on them, you have problems.
Mike
Analytics, like computers, are great tools. However, if you become totally dependent on them, you have problems.
So marry them with your traditional approach. That was always the plan... well... not always.
Took a break during the Dorsey "We Don't need no stinkin' Analytics... Football Guy Part Quatre" era...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Analytics, like computers, are great tools. However, if you become totally dependent on them, you have problems.
So marry them with your traditional approach. That was always the plan... well... not always.
Took a break during the Dorsey "We Don't need no stinkin' Analytics... Football Guy Part Quatre" era...
So marry them with your traditional approach. That was always the plan... well... not always.
Took a break during the Dorsey "We Don't need no stinkin' Analytics... Football Guy Part Quatre" era...
You mean the era when actual talent was added to this team?
Yeah, that totally sucked.
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Anal-Litticks sounds as stupid to me now.. As when I first heard of it.. You can't measure heart or desire with it... To me.. It sounds like Corporate hogwash..
Oh my god. Old guy says old guy things.
Nickers, I've got your back. Analytics, like computers, are great tools. However, if you become totally dependent on them, you have problems.
Mike
Nickers, I've got your back. Analytics, like computers, are great tools. However, if you become totally dependent on them, you have problems.
Mike
Agree, but purposely misspelling them like a 13 year old and claiming they are totally wrong is so pointless. Id love for use to have more constructive discussions
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Anal-Litticks sounds as stupid to me now.. As when I first heard of it.. You can't measure heart or desire with it... To me.. It sounds like Corporate hogwash..
Anal-Litticks sounds as stupid to me now.. As when I first heard of it.. You can't measure heart or desire with it... To me.. It sounds like Corporate hogwash..
It's just a another tool like a computer or 40 time with a stop watch.
Someone has to take all of the mountains of data and put a plan together and pull the trigger....... that's all.
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You mean the era when actual talent was added to this team?
Yeah, that totally sucked.
And your absolute delight with the entire era was like the light of a 1000 suns...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Nickers, I've got your back. Analytics, like computers, are great tools. However, if you become totally dependent on them, you have problems.
Mike
Agree, but purposely misspelling them like a 13 year old and claiming they are totally wrong is so pointless. Id love for use to have more constructive discussions
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