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  • And to think only 6 short years ago Haslam was a genius in certain eyes for picking Manziel.... ?

    @tour2ma said:

    And to think only 6 short years ago Haslam was a genius in certain eyes for picking Manziel.... ?

    GUILTY as charged Your Honor!

    1. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

    The Browns should fire Jimmy Haslam

    Updated Jan 08, 2020;Posted Jan 08, 2020
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    The guy the Cleveland Browns should fire is team owner Jimmy Haslam. He has shown he has no clue about running a franchise. Every decision he makes quickly ends up wrong. And you’ll notice that the best coaching hires have already happened without the Browns getting any of them (“Can the Browns afford to be patient with their head coach search when the Redskins and Cowboys moved quickly?" cleveland.com, Jan. 6).

    This is partly because the owner doesn’t know what he’s doing and can’t make up his mind, and partly because he has made Cleveland an undesirable place to be a coach or general manager. No one wants to be a one-and-done hire by a know-nothing owner.

    Don Lannoch,

    Solon

    @mjp28 said:

    1. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

    The Browns should fire Jimmy Haslam

    Updated Jan 08, 2020;Posted Jan 08, 2020
    189.   284 shares 
     
     

    The guy the Cleveland Browns should fire is team owner Jimmy Haslam. He has shown he has no clue about running a franchise. Every decision he makes quickly ends up wrong. And you’ll notice that the best coaching hires have already happened without the Browns getting any of them (“Can the Browns afford to be patient with their head coach search when the Redskins and Cowboys moved quickly?" cleveland.com, Jan. 6).

    This is partly because the owner doesn’t know what he’s doing and can’t make up his mind, and partly because he has made Cleveland an undesirable place to be a coach or general manager. No one wants to be a one-and-done hire by a know-nothing owner.

    Don Lannoch,

    Solon

    yip, we are fucked once again...didn't we have another coach a few yrs back with ski at the end of his last name...i don't know,,,,its all a fucking blur....think it was smazranski or something like that....he sucked also....oh well.....team is a cesspool.....i don't care what kind of roster we have....like you say....it never works out....

  • @mjp28 said:

    1. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

    The Browns should fire Jimmy Haslam

    Updated Jan 08, 2020;Posted Jan 08, 2020
    189.   284 shares 
     
     

    The guy the Cleveland Browns should fire is team owner Jimmy Haslam. He has shown he has no clue about running a franchise. Every decision he makes quickly ends up wrong. And you’ll notice that the best coaching hires have already happened without the Browns getting any of them (“Can the Browns afford to be patient with their head coach search when the Redskins and Cowboys moved quickly?" cleveland.com, Jan. 6).

    This is partly because the owner doesn’t know what he’s doing and can’t make up his mind, and partly because he has made Cleveland an undesirable place to be a coach or general manager. No one wants to be a one-and-done hire by a know-nothing owner.

    Don Lannoch,

    Solon

    yip, we are fucked once again...didn't we have another coach a few yrs back with ski at the end of his last name...i don't know,,,,its all a fucking blur....think it was smazranski or something like that....he sucked also....oh well.....team is a cesspool.....i don't care what kind of roster we have....like you say....it never works out....

    @browns52 said:

    yip, we are fucked once again...didn't we have another coach a few yrs back with ski at the end of his last name...i don't know,,,,its all a fucking blur....think it was smazranski or something like that....he sucked also....oh well.....team is a cesspool.....i don't care what kind of roster we have....like you say....it never works out....

    Chudzinski is a quality coach.. He wasn't given a fair chance..

  • @hoorta said:

    MHO? This is their  last chance to  "get it right". 

    I wish, but that is by NO means the case.   Certainly the fans can't force him to sell.   The league certainly will not.  This is not like Modell who was about to have his franchised foreclosed on, even after being bailed out once by the Baltimore Bribe.    JH still operates in a fiscally profitable manner.  And the league does not care that he does not win.  The league always wants a few patsy teams as long as they make money.  The Bidwills have owned the Cardinals for generations.   Now that he has reduced duties at Pilot after selling,  Jimmy and Dee will be spending their time dealing with their sports franchises,  Browns, Columbus Crew.    And it seems clear that they want this team for posterity....to hand down to their kids:

    They have three adult children, James Bagwell Haslam (adopted 2016), Whitney Haslam Johnson, and Cynthia Haslam Arnholt and five grandchildren.

    Further evidenced by this list of their front office on their website:

    Curious about this adoption of James....an adult? 

    And notice who is the first person listed right after the family

    @the-gipper said:

    Certainly the fans can't force him to sell

    They absolutely can.  But won't.

    They can NOT buy tickets and NOT go to the games.   They could peacefully protest, stating sell the team Jimmy, or watch the games by yourself.  (well, actually with the opponent's fans)

  • MHO? This is their  last chance to  "get it right". 

    @hoorta said:

    MHO? This is their  last chance to  "get it right". 

    I know I can't wait to see what "THE PROCESS PART DEUX" does this time!

    Should be another riveting Browns draft by DePodesta and Co.! 

  • @hoorta said:

    MHO? This is their  last chance to  "get it right". 

    I know I can't wait to see what "THE PROCESS PART DEUX" does this time!

    Should be another riveting Browns draft by DePodesta and Co.! 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I know I can't wait to see what "THE PROCESS PART DEUX" does this time!

    Should be another riveting Browns draft by DePodesta and Co.! 

    All full of crappy SPARQ players..

  • @mjp28 said:

     how do you get him to sell before the reluctant NFL owners have to step in and act before he totally ruins the BROWNS franchise ?

    1-31. Too late.

    @texasag1969 said:

    1-31. Too late.

    And the other 31 multimillionaire and billionaire members would be very reluctant to take action to kick one of the owners out and sell the team but they can !

    In reference to the Jerry Jones case in 2017 (no action taken)......

    A league source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that multiple owners already have been discussing the possibility, which flows from Article VIII of the NFL’s Constitution & Bylaws. Specifically, Section 8.13 authorizes the Commissioner to determine that an owner “has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football.” If the Commissioner believes the available sanction (a $500,000 fine) is “not adequate or sufficient,” the Commissioner may refer the issue to the NFL’s Executive Committee, which has the power to compel “[c]ancellation or forfeiture of the franchise in the League of any member club involved or implicated,” with a directive to sell the team.

    Now I'm not sure on some of the other details like stadium deals and other matters.

    Hopefully this goes the simple way and soon ...... without any more 1-31 fiascos.

  • @mjp28 said:

    1. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

    The Browns should fire Jimmy Haslam

    Updated Jan 08, 2020;Posted Jan 08, 2020
    189.   284 shares 
     
     

    The guy the Cleveland Browns should fire is team owner Jimmy Haslam. He has shown he has no clue about running a franchise. Every decision he makes quickly ends up wrong. And you’ll notice that the best coaching hires have already happened without the Browns getting any of them (“Can the Browns afford to be patient with their head coach search when the Redskins and Cowboys moved quickly?" cleveland.com, Jan. 6).

    This is partly because the owner doesn’t know what he’s doing and can’t make up his mind, and partly because he has made Cleveland an undesirable place to be a coach or general manager. No one wants to be a one-and-done hire by a know-nothing owner.

    Don Lannoch,

    Solon

    yip, we are fucked once again...didn't we have another coach a few yrs back with ski at the end of his last name...i don't know,,,,its all a fucking blur....think it was smazranski or something like that....he sucked also....oh well.....team is a cesspool.....i don't care what kind of roster we have....like you say....it never works out....

    @browns52 said:

    yip, we are fucked once again...didn't we have another coach a few yrs back with ski at the end of his last name...i don't know,,,,its all a fucking blur....think it was smazranski or something like that....he sucked also....oh well.....team is a cesspool.....i don't care what kind of roster we have....like you say....it never works out....

    Yeah,  the name was Terry Robiski, interim coach. Then Chudzinski.  A couple of polocks.

  • @hoorta said:

    MHO? This is their  last chance to  "get it right". 

    I know I can't wait to see what "THE PROCESS PART DEUX" does this time!

    Should be another riveting Browns draft by DePodesta and Co.! 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Should be another riveting Browns draft by DePodesta and Co.! 

    Depo... the guy whose role is not being expanded by Haslam... is in charge of the Draft now???

    Remember folks... you read it here first.

    Going to have to start calling you "Scoop"...

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Should be another riveting Browns draft by DePodesta and Co.! 

    Depo... the guy whose role is not being expanded by Haslam... is in charge of the Draft now???

    Remember folks... you read it here first.

    Going to have to start calling you "Scoop"...

    @tour2ma said:

    Depo... the guy whose role is not being expanded by Haslam... is in charge of the Draft now???

    Remember folks... you read it here first.

    Going to have to start calling you "Scoop"...

    Tour gets so testy when his precious THE PROCESS BOYS aren't fawned over. 

    When it gets blown up in 2, maybe 3 years tops, I promise not to gloat... that much. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Depo... the guy whose role is not being expanded by Haslam... is in charge of the Draft now???

    Remember folks... you read it here first.

    Going to have to start calling you "Scoop"...

    Tour gets so testy when his precious THE PROCESS BOYS aren't fawned over. 

    When it gets blown up in 2, maybe 3 years tops, I promise not to gloat... that much. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Tour gets so testy when his precious THE PROCESS BOYS aren't fawned over. 

    When it gets blown up in 2, maybe 3 years tops, I promise not to gloat... that much. 

    Gloat as much as you like if and when.

    In the meantime there's no fawning required... just quit making shit up.

    I'm tired of cleaning up after you... even though you provided the Scoop to use.

  • From Monday Morning Quarterback/Sports Illustrated

    "Finally, on the (Cleveland Browns head coach) search itself - some of the candidates going through Berea found the place to have more red flags than Tiananmen Square. One big one was the, yes, level of involvement of DePodesta's analytics team. Both Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens were basically told to have senior analyst Dave Giuliani on headsets on gameday, over the last four years, with Giuliani serving as a sort of game management specialist. What alarmed candidates was the Giuliani, who worked with Chip Kelly in Philly, would not be reporting to the head coach. He'd be reporting to DePodesta directly. Another was that the head coach would have twice-weekly meetings with ownership and analytics people. In the past, the Monday meetings would have taken up to half a day, and proposed Friday meetings would be for reviewing game plans. 

  • ... and the part about Depo running the draft?

  • ... and the part about Depo running the draft?

    @tour2ma said:

    ... and the part about Depo running the draft?

    ...not to gang up on ya Tour, but does it sound out of the realm of possibilities in HaslamLand? 

    Wouldn't surprise me.

    This is the first time I've ever actually wanted a Browns owner to sell the team.  

  • @tour2ma said:

    ... and the part about Depo running the draft?

    ...not to gang up on ya Tour, but does it sound out of the realm of possibilities in HaslamLand? 

    Wouldn't surprise me.

    This is the first time I've ever actually wanted a Browns owner to sell the team.  

    @orion said:

    ...not to gang up on ya Tour, but does it sound out of the realm of possibilities in HaslamLand? 

    Wouldn't surprise me.

    This is the first time I've ever actually wanted a Browns owner to sell the team.  

    Is it possible that Depo ends up being the man? Sure, but right now there's zero evidence to support that is the plan, O.

    I'm just trying to hold Dutch accountable for what he has been posting lately... most of which is unsubstantiated garbage in place of his usual funny garbage. 🙂

    I mean he just had some poor schmuck believing that The Process wanted to draft Trubs over Myles... oh, wait... that was you... 😉

  • @orion said:

    ...not to gang up on ya Tour, but does it sound out of the realm of possibilities in HaslamLand? 

    Wouldn't surprise me.

    This is the first time I've ever actually wanted a Browns owner to sell the team.  

    Is it possible that Depo ends up being the man? Sure, but right now there's zero evidence to support that is the plan, O.

    I'm just trying to hold Dutch accountable for what he has been posting lately... most of which is unsubstantiated garbage in place of his usual funny garbage. 🙂

    I mean he just had some poor schmuck believing that The Process wanted to draft Trubs over Myles... oh, wait... that was you... 😉

    @tour2ma said:

    some poor schmuck believing that The Process wanted to draft Trubs over Myles...

    That's MY process.  To me, a decent QB is more valuable to a football team than a good DE.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Certainly the fans can't force him to sell

    They absolutely can.  But won't.

    They can NOT buy tickets and NOT go to the games.   They could peacefully protest, stating sell the team Jimmy, or watch the games by yourself.  (well, actually with the opponent's fans)

    @orion said:

    They absolutely can.  But won't.

    They can NOT buy tickets and NOT go to the games.   They could peacefully protest, stating sell the team Jimmy, or watch the games by yourself.  (well, actually with the opponent's fans)

    No, they can't.   You again are living a pipe dream.   Then Jimmy, when his lease is up just says:  " the town no longer supports this team......Where can we move to?  Sacremento, St. Louis, Portland, or San Antonio look good to me."

  • @texasag1969 said:

    1-31. Too late.

    And the other 31 multimillionaire and billionaire members would be very reluctant to take action to kick one of the owners out and sell the team but they can !

    In reference to the Jerry Jones case in 2017 (no action taken)......

    A league source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that multiple owners already have been discussing the possibility, which flows from Article VIII of the NFL’s Constitution & Bylaws. Specifically, Section 8.13 authorizes the Commissioner to determine that an owner “has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football.” If the Commissioner believes the available sanction (a $500,000 fine) is “not adequate or sufficient,” the Commissioner may refer the issue to the NFL’s Executive Committee, which has the power to compel “[c]ancellation or forfeiture of the franchise in the League of any member club involved or implicated,” with a directive to sell the team.

    Now I'm not sure on some of the other details like stadium deals and other matters.

    Hopefully this goes the simple way and soon ...... without any more 1-31 fiascos.

    @mjp28 said:

    And the other 31 multimillionaire and billionaire members would be very reluctant to take action to kick one of the owners out and sell the team but they can !

    In reference to the Jerry Jones case in 2017 (no action taken)......

    A league source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that multiple owners already have been discussing the possibility, which flows from Article VIII of the NFL’s Constitution & Bylaws. Specifically, Section 8.13 authorizes the Commissioner to determine that an owner “has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football.” If the Commissioner believes the available sanction (a $500,000 fine) is “not adequate or sufficient,” the Commissioner may refer the issue to the NFL’s Executive Committee, which has the power to compel “[c]ancellation or forfeiture of the franchise in the League of any member club involved or implicated,” with a directive to sell the team.

    Now I'm not sure on some of the other details like stadium deals and other matters.

    Hopefully this goes the simple way and soon ...... without any more 1-31 fiascos.

    Just No

    "Conduct detrimental to the welfare of the league"  does not including losing to the other 31 teams.  Those teams are happy to have the Browns lose to them.

    Now, if JH had been indicted in the Pilot fraud scheme and had to go and wear a nice orange suit....then maybe.   But, even then,  were that to happen now at this juncture, he could just turn ownership over to his  daughter and son in Law, and let them run the Browns.

    (of course, could that have been a good thing?)

    Again.....losing games does not fit the criteria.  

    "Co

  • @browns52 said:

    yip, we are fucked once again...didn't we have another coach a few yrs back with ski at the end of his last name...i don't know,,,,its all a fucking blur....think it was smazranski or something like that....he sucked also....oh well.....team is a cesspool.....i don't care what kind of roster we have....like you say....it never works out....

    Yeah,  the name was Terry Robiski, interim coach. Then Chudzinski.  A couple of polocks.

    @gorka said:

    Yeah,  the name was Terry Robiski, interim coach. Then Chudzinski.  A couple of polocks.

    Robiski was black.   But sure, this team has been performing like it was being directed by a couple of Pollocks......Jackson Pollocks: 

    la-la-ca-cm-1223-knight-pollock-review-0

    72935962_1_x.jpg?auto=webp&format=pjpg&v

  • ... and the part about Depo running the draft?

    @tour2ma said:

    ... and the part about Depo running the draft?

    So, in your opinion, our Chief Strategic officer who by duties at this point is really our  Head of football operations,  (he IS in charge of selecting the  HC, and the GM...or DPP as it were)    would have no input into the draft?   Surely,  you must know the analytics department will have a lot to say about who the Browns should draft, shouldn't they?

    And yes, I just called you Shirley.