Mac Speedie enters HOF, Modell OUT
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Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty.
Marty's problem was he never learned from his mistakes.. He was a professional circle jerk as far as coaching goes
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Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty.
Same with Marv Levy, great coaches, great guys -but- didn't get the big one.
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Jimmy Johnson just named to the HOF. Did he and Cowher really deserve it over Coryell, Flores, Holmgren, Parker, Reeves, Vermeil?
Or did those two get it because they are personalities on the Gameday shows on CBS and Fox respectively. Seems like that, a bit.
Cowher probably. But Johnson???
Most of the coaches you listed including Johnson didn't even make this list. But Marty did.
Cowher won a lot. Won the division 8 out the 15 yrs he coached.
A tad better resume than HOF'er Tony Dungy. So yeah he deserves it if Dungy does.
17. Bill Cowher
Pittsburgh 1992-2006
149-90-1 (15 years), 12-9 in playoffs
8 division titles
2 Super Bowl appearances (XXX, XL)
Super Bowl XL champion
15. Tony Dungy
Tampa Bay 1996-2001; Indianapolis 2002-08
139-69 (13 years), 9-10 in playoffs
6 division titles
Super Bowl XLI champion
Pro Football Hall of Fame, Class of 2016
Apparently the criteria for Marty making this list has nothing to do with Super Bowls or playoff wins.
21. Marty Schottenheimer
Cleveland 1984-88; Kansas City 1989-98; Washington 2001; San Diego 2002-06
200-126-1 (21 years), 5-13 in playoffs
8 division titles
Schottenheimer coached four different teams and had only two losing seasons. That tells you how good he was.
https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-head-coaches-nfl-history
Cowher probably. But Johnson???
Most of the coaches you listed including Johnson didn't even make this list. But Marty did.
Cowher won a lot. Won the division 8 out the 15 yrs he coached.
A tad better resume than HOF'er Tony Dungy. So yeah he deserves it if Dungy does.
17. Bill Cowher
Pittsburgh 1992-2006
149-90-1 (15 years), 12-9 in playoffs
8 division titles
2 Super Bowl appearances (XXX, XL)
Super Bowl XL champion
15. Tony Dungy
Tampa Bay 1996-2001; Indianapolis 2002-08
139-69 (13 years), 9-10 in playoffs
6 division titles
Super Bowl XLI champion
Pro Football Hall of Fame, Class of 2016
Apparently the criteria for Marty making this list has nothing to do with Super Bowls or playoff wins.
21. Marty Schottenheimer
Cleveland 1984-88; Kansas City 1989-98; Washington 2001; San Diego 2002-06
200-126-1 (21 years), 5-13 in playoffs
8 division titles
Schottenheimer coached four different teams and had only two losing seasons. That tells you how good he was.
https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-head-coaches-nfl-history
OK...well, these lists are subjective.
Dan Reeves went to the SB 4 times with 2 different teams, and lost them all. Would one win have made a difference? It didn't for Marv Levy and Bud Grant.....each 4 time SB losers.......but inducted.
Flores? With the Rooney rule discussion, maybe we should say that the HOF should have their own Rooney Rule...His background is Hispanic/Native American. If they have Dungy in there for just one SB win, why not Flores with 2?
Marty had more wins and a better win pct. than Cowher....in the regular season. So, obviously winning in the Postseason is a substantial requirement for induction......as Marty and Reeves are not in, even with substantially better regular season records.
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I tend to agree. He lost several AFC Title games in his own stadium.
Marty? Browns 1986, yes. What others?
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Marty? Browns 1986, yes. What others?
No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers.
Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium.
Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players.
Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO.
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Marty? Browns 1986, yes. What others?
No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers.
Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium.
Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players.
Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO.
No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers.
Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium.
Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players.
Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO.
OK, but saying no is superfluous. But I think perhaps the analysis is: If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in. I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others. Chuck Knox
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No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers.
Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium.
Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players.
Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO.
OK, but saying no is superfluous. But I think perhaps the analysis is: If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in. I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others. Chuck Knox
OK, but saying no is superfluous. But I think perhaps the analysis is: If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in. I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others. Chuck Knox
I see. Well little folks like the fans will never have a say-so.
Admitting I have some anger issues, jealousy issues with Pittsburgh and Denver, if you compare apples-to-apples, it's pretty obvious Reeves had a far better coaching career.
There's a definite Steelers bias with the HOF. Lots of great NFL players played in Pittsburgh, but they are over represented as a whole in Canton IMHO. I use Kevin Greene and Lynn Swan as examples.
Denver....who's in? Off the top of my head it's Elway, Floyd Little, & Terrell Davis. Where's Randy Gradishar, Rick Upchurch, Steve Atwater, Carl Mecklenburg?They've had similar success as a franchise as Pittsburgh over about the same time frame (1970-present). It's plain wrong.
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Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss.
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The rest of the list was revealed this morning. Here are the names that got in:
Jimbo Covert OT 80s Bears
Winston Hill OT Jets
Harold Carmichael WR Eagles
Duke Slater OT....several teams from the 20s
Ed Sprinkle dE/LB 40s Bears
Steve Sabol NFL Films
Alex Karras DT Lions "Mongo"
Bobby Dillon S 50s Packers (not to be confused with Bobby Dylan)
Donnie Shell DB 70s Steelers
George Young. GM for the Colts in 60s, Dolphins Dynasty, and Giants in 80s
Cliff Harris S Cowboys
Paul Tagliabue Commish
Mac Speedie WR 40s/50s Browns.
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There's a name you don't hear too often started in the defunct AAFC and with the new current NFL Browns.
Speedie will become the Browns' 17th Hall of Famer and first inducted since Gene Hickerson in 2007.
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Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss.
Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss.
Or, maybe, like in my opinion, he is up against a couple of other Safeties who have waited longer and who were likely better, in John Lynch and Steve Atwater.
But you are right....he will go in someday....maybe even this year, whether he deserves it or not.
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If you were to go by career production, the finalist for induction this year, (the regular class) should be in this order, per PFR's career production average:
1. Reggie Wayne 155
2. Zach Thomas 149
3. Alan Faneca 146
4. Isaac Bruce 137
5. Edgerrin James 136
6. Sam Mills 126
7. Tori Holt 123
8. Steve Hutchinson 119
9. Bryant Young 117
10. John Lynch 115
11. Troy Polamalu 115
Of course, those just apply to the guys that are up for finalists this year. They left off Clay Matthews, and he had a 137 CA. As for Vag's whining about Polamalu.....there are even other Steelers that had better carees who are not on this list: Hardy Nickerson had a 129. Hines Ward had a better CA. And Poly, with his paltry 115 production? The following guys have a right to complain: Jim Marshall 164 not in. Ken Anderson 161 not in.
He should/could get his Steeler representative in the form of Alan Faneca....not Polly.
And don't forget, Donnie Shell got in with the Centennial Class
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Modern players -- 5 is the max, I can't support anyone other than these
Atwater
Boselli
Seymour
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They did put in 3 OTs with the Centennial Class......but not Dick Shafrath who was better than all of them likely.
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OK, but saying no is superfluous. But I think perhaps the analysis is: If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in. I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others. Chuck Knox
I see. Well little folks like the fans will never have a say-so.
Admitting I have some anger issues, jealousy issues with Pittsburgh and Denver, if you compare apples-to-apples, it's pretty obvious Reeves had a far better coaching career.
There's a definite Steelers bias with the HOF. Lots of great NFL players played in Pittsburgh, but they are over represented as a whole in Canton IMHO. I use Kevin Greene and Lynn Swan as examples.
Denver....who's in? Off the top of my head it's Elway, Floyd Little, & Terrell Davis. Where's Randy Gradishar, Rick Upchurch, Steve Atwater, Carl Mecklenburg?They've had similar success as a franchise as Pittsburgh over about the same time frame (1970-present). It's plain wrong.
I see. Well little folks like the fans will never have a say-so.
Admitting I have some anger issues, jealousy issues with Pittsburgh and Denver, if you compare apples-to-apples, it's pretty obvious Reeves had a far better coaching career.
There's a definite Steelers bias with the HOF. Lots of great NFL players played in Pittsburgh, but they are over represented as a whole in Canton IMHO. I use Kevin Greene and Lynn Swan as examples.
Denver....who's in? Off the top of my head it's Elway, Floyd Little, & Terrell Davis. Where's Randy Gradishar, Rick Upchurch, Steve Atwater, Carl Mecklenburg?They've had similar success as a franchise as Pittsburgh over about the same time frame (1970-present). It's plain wrong.
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