why I hope it's not Stefansky....
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That is more like a drop of coffee than a cup of coffee.
I was only responsible for the truth. I can't control how you handle it.
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After keeping up with how many Ex-Browns are starting for KC, Texans and SF, I think I'm gonna be sick.??
After keeping up with how many Ex-Browns are starting for KC, Texans and SF, I think I'm gonna be sick.??
Yeah the Texans have Fells, Hyde, Johnson, and Mingo. Pretty sure I could come up with around a dozen ex browns if I bothered to look.
Speaking of Barky Mingo, looks like he's having a long and undistinguished under performing career like another of the Browns first round picks- Kameron Wimbley. Since it was before your time following the Browns, here's yet another Browns draft screw up Ag. In 2006 the Browns traded down one spot in the first round with the Ravens swapping picks, and took Kam. With that pick Baltimore took Haloti Ngata. ?
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2015 Cleveland Browns
Kick & Punt Returns
Games Punt Returns Kick Returns No. Player Age Pos G GS Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd Team Total 26.1 16 29 325 1 78 11.2 41 1041 0 53 25.4 7304 11 Travis Benjamin 26 WR 16 15 28 324 1 78 11.6 1302 21 Justin Gilbert 24 lcb 9 1 12 339 0 40 28.3 339 41 Raheem Mostert 23 3 0 12 309 0 53 25.8 309 10 Darius Jennings 23 wr 4 1 7 158 0 28 22.6 275 20 Shaun Draughn 28 5 0 5 106 0 31 21.2 117 15 Marlon Moore 28 wr 14 2 3 77 0 29 25.7 158 29 Duke Johnson 22 rb 16 7 2 52 0 30 26.0 965 22 Tramon Williams 32 RCB 15 15 1 1 0 1 1.0 3 That is more like a drop of coffee than a cup of coffee.
That is more like a drop of coffee than a cup of coffee.
Pettine was the browns HC & DeSert never saw a RB carry in any game.. but had 1 fumble on 32 snaps all on ST returns... ya think he wanted the ball running at Pettine's defense for 200?
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No issue with the result. My point is, there is more than one way to get it done. And when you don't have a QB you can count on to dominate a game like Mahomes... which few, if any can, then using the running game essentially to facilitate closing out the game ONLY isn't really an option.
Titans defense really let them down.
Nah- Mahomes was just too good and beat 'em. And the classic- once the Chiefs got a big lead, it effectively took Henry out of the game and forced Tannehill to beat them. He got exposed for what he is- a middlin' QB.
OTOH- the Packers had no answer to the 49ers running game , and it forced Rodgers (who's an elite QB by any standard) into making a bunch of mistakes. That is when the Niners all world front four weren't seriously harassing him.... Jimmy G tries eight passes? You have to be kidding me. Of course, the old axiom applies- if they can't stop it, keep on doing it until they can....
Good God... can we get more pitiful than bemoaning the loss of average or less than average talent? Aside from Schwartz that's what y'all are talking about.
Nah- Mahomes was just too good and beat 'em. And the classic- once the Chiefs got a big lead, it effectively took Henry out of the game and forced Tannehill to beat them. He got exposed for what he is- a middlin' QB.
There was nothing wrong with Tannehill's play and numbers (68% completion on 31 throws, 2 TDs, 0 turnovers).
I thought TN abandoned the run too early, but their D giving up the KC TD just before the half had something to do with it.
The Chiefs' offensive line dominated.
ummmmm.... no... not even close.
Mahomes was KC's leading rusher for a reason... was under pressure most of the game.
Their leading RB? Williams... 17 carries for 45 yards... less than 3 ypc.
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Good God... can we get more pitiful than bemoaning the loss of average or less than average talent? Aside from Schwartz that's what y'all are talking about.
Nah- Mahomes was just too good and beat 'em. And the classic- once the Chiefs got a big lead, it effectively took Henry out of the game and forced Tannehill to beat them. He got exposed for what he is- a middlin' QB.
There was nothing wrong with Tannehill's play and numbers (68% completion on 31 throws, 2 TDs, 0 turnovers).
I thought TN abandoned the run too early, but their D giving up the KC TD just before the half had something to do with it.
The Chiefs' offensive line dominated.
ummmmm.... no... not even close.
Mahomes was KC's leading rusher for a reason... was under pressure most of the game.
Their leading RB? Williams... 17 carries for 45 yards... less than 3 ypc.
ummmmm.... no... not even close.
Mahomes was KC's leading rusher for a reason... was under pressure most of the game.
Their leading RB? Williams... 17 carries for 45 yards... less than 3 ypc.
I disagree. Watched the game - I counted to five full seconds of no pressure, and then he would see the pocket start to collapse, and THEN he would take off. Says here the battered Titan defense was picked apart by Mahomes. Mahomes threw 27 passes in the first half. Completed 21 of them. That is almost 78 percent completion rate. For the whole game - he completed 36 of 50. 72 percent completion rate. That means he had a lot of time to run plays. The blocking was terrific. They just didn't have to run much.
Patrick Mahomes exploits banged-up Titans defense
No Jurrell Casey. No Malcolm Butler. No Jayon Brown.
All three of those key members of the Titans defense missed Sunday’s game because of injuries (Butler is out for the year with a wrist injury), and the battered unit was picked apart by Mahomes, who was making his return after a two-game absence because of an injury of his own.
The Chiefs quarterback threw 27 passes in the first half, completing 21 of them for 213 yards and a touchdown. Tannehill, by comparison, was just 5-of-7 for 87 yards and a touchdown.
Mahomes finished 36-of-50 for 446 yards with three touchdowns.
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The only reason you're saying that is because you're still on the tangent about KC's Oline being "great". They aren't, not even collectively. They might skim the top half of the NFL in pass pro, but their run blocking is atrocious and eventually it's going to cost KC in the red zone. Another reason the Chiefs use that lateral run game with Hill so much - to supplement their shitty movement up front.
Mahomes is just that brillaint. But even with that brilliance, he has still missed time this season because of the shots his Oline has allowed. They are a spotty group lifted by their QB and opposing coordinators fear of their skill positions.
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So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
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So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
I was not saying that. I was saying that they are "supporting actors"....that is was not THEIR play specifically that provides the difference between being a championship team. You absolutely need some stud OL. We know what its like to have crap for OL. But you could have a great OL in front of DeShone Kizer, and I don't think it would have helped him a lot. Put that OL in front of Mahomes...and there you go, off to the races.
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So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
I was not saying that. I was saying that they are "supporting actors"....that is was not THEIR play specifically that provides the difference between being a championship team. You absolutely need some stud OL. We know what its like to have crap for OL. But you could have a great OL in front of DeShone Kizer, and I don't think it would have helped him a lot. Put that OL in front of Mahomes...and there you go, off to the races.
I was not saying that. I was saying that they are "supporting actors"....that is was not THEIR play specifically that provides the difference between being a championship team. You absolutely need some stud OL. We know what its like to have crap for OL. But you could have a great OL in front of DeShone Kizer, and I don't think it would have helped him a lot. Put that OL in front of Mahomes...and there you go, off to the races.
And you could have a great QB and a "crap OL" and not win. Its almost as if you need a well rounded TEAM.
And I wasn't singling out anyone, but people who just watch football don't seem to recognize how crucial OL are. Because they aren't the "difference makers" or the sexy part of the game.
But to the part of the Browns (or any team) getting rid of someone and they go on to be an important piece somewhere else, that doesn't mean they would have been that on their former team for a number of reasons, and not all are because of something to do with that former team.
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So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
No hitting below the belt...
- Schwartz was a big loss. Playing hardball with him over a principle that translated to nickels and dimes was Sashi's biggest mistake.
- Reiter is a good Center, but Tretter is better.
- Erving??? I draw the line at pining for a guy who has seen the field for 4 snaps since Week 10... including the playoffs.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
But not enough 6th grade swear words.
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The only reason you're saying that is because you're still on the tangent about KC's Oline being "great". They aren't, not even collectively. They might skim the top half of the NFL in pass pro, but their run blocking is atrocious and eventually it's going to cost KC in the red zone. Another reason the Chiefs use that lateral run game with Hill so much - to supplement their shitty movement up front.
Mahomes is just that brillaint. But even with that brilliance, he has still missed time this season because of the shots his Oline has allowed. They are a spotty group lifted by their QB and opposing coordinators fear of their skill positions.
The only reason you're saying that is because you're still on the tangent about KC's Oline being "great". They aren't, not even collectively. They might skim the top half of the NFL in pass pro, but their run blocking is atrocious and eventually it's going to cost KC in the red zone. Another reason the Chiefs use that lateral run game with Hill so much - to supplement their shitty movement up front.
Mahomes is just that brillaint. But even with that brilliance, he has still missed time this season because of the shots his Oline has allowed. They are a spotty group lifted by their QB and opposing coordinators fear of their skill positions.
I'll grant you the run blocking problems, but their pass protection has been excellent. They ran 35 pass plays, and handed the ball off on a run play 21 times. Mahomes IS brilliant - so was Baker in his rookie season. Having a star like Kelce helps him hugely. Probably the best? TE in the entire league. Having Watkins, a former 4th overall pick in the first round (Bills) also helps hugely. Having speed demon Hill, one of the fastest wr's in the entire league, also helps. (fifth round ? egad) (Williams, RB, was a UDFA).
They can run wide because of their tackles. Fisher 1st pick, Schwarts, 2nd round pick. I'm simply saying that they dominated in the AFC game, because they passed a good bit more often, ran just enough to keep the defense honest, and Watkins, Hill and Kelce make a far, far easier time for Mahomes to rock and roll. Even when his wr's are covered and Kelce isn't open, he had a lot of time, especially with Mahomes moving in the pocket, that he could take off if the play doesn't work. And he runs like a hotrod gazelle.
The interior of the line is not great - at least one was a UDFA.........etc. But they dominated in that AFC game. They just clicked on pass protection.
But only because he didn't get his clock cleaned as soon as he dropped back off the edges.
KC would have lost that game if they had had the Browns oline, regardless of how brilliant Mahomes is. lol
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I was not saying that. I was saying that they are "supporting actors"....that is was not THEIR play specifically that provides the difference between being a championship team. You absolutely need some stud OL. We know what its like to have crap for OL. But you could have a great OL in front of DeShone Kizer, and I don't think it would have helped him a lot. Put that OL in front of Mahomes...and there you go, off to the races.
And you could have a great QB and a "crap OL" and not win. Its almost as if you need a well rounded TEAM.
And I wasn't singling out anyone, but people who just watch football don't seem to recognize how crucial OL are. Because they aren't the "difference makers" or the sexy part of the game.
But to the part of the Browns (or any team) getting rid of someone and they go on to be an important piece somewhere else, that doesn't mean they would have been that on their former team for a number of reasons, and not all are because of something to do with that former team.
And you could have a great QB and a "crap OL" and not win. Its almost as if you need a well rounded TEAM.
And I wasn't singling out anyone, but people who just watch football don't seem to recognize how crucial OL are. Because they aren't the "difference makers" or the sexy part of the game.
But to the part of the Browns (or any team) getting rid of someone and they go on to be an important piece somewhere else, that doesn't mean they would have been that on their former team for a number of reasons, and not all are because of something to do with that former team.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
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And you could have a great QB and a "crap OL" and not win. Its almost as if you need a well rounded TEAM.
And I wasn't singling out anyone, but people who just watch football don't seem to recognize how crucial OL are. Because they aren't the "difference makers" or the sexy part of the game.
But to the part of the Browns (or any team) getting rid of someone and they go on to be an important piece somewhere else, that doesn't mean they would have been that on their former team for a number of reasons, and not all are because of something to do with that former team.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
That is easy to find out with minimal research. No he wasn't drafted by the Browns. He wasn't drafted by anyone. He has been on 7 teams in those 4 years, 4 in 2015.
But I have NO CLUE why you quoted me in that? I never said one word about him.
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I'm reminded of Indy's OL the years they had Luck -- Doubtful if Indy could have won the whole thing because their GM was arguably worse than ours [ Hi, Trent Richardson! ] but KC's ridiculousness dressed up as an OL is going to end Mahomes career a few seasons earlier than it should.
KC does have more than a few bargain-bin starters -- including their UDFA RB williams.
To be fair they are paying their OL -- 3 of top 9 are OL
Side note - aren't we all glad we avoided drafting the Honey Badger? Good times, great decisions. #Sarcasm
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Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
That is easy to find out with minimal research. No he wasn't drafted by the Browns. He wasn't drafted by anyone. He has been on 7 teams in those 4 years, 4 in 2015.
But I have NO CLUE why you quoted me in that? I never said one word about him.
That is easy to find out with minimal research. No he wasn't drafted by the Browns. He wasn't drafted by anyone. He has been on 7 teams in those 4 years, 4 in 2015.
But I have NO CLUE why you quoted me in that? I never said one word about him.
I think it had to do with your statement about a player being on a former team, and Mostert did begin his career with the Browns.
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That is easy to find out with minimal research. No he wasn't drafted by the Browns. He wasn't drafted by anyone. He has been on 7 teams in those 4 years, 4 in 2015.
But I have NO CLUE why you quoted me in that? I never said one word about him.
I think it had to do with your statement about a player being on a former team, and Mostert did begin his career with the Browns.
I think it had to do with your statement about a player being on a former team, and Mostert did begin his career with the Browns.
My post wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. But you/others were saying that these guys that are/were still playing aren't difference makers, etc. And were referring to OL. I responded only because the way it came off was because they aren't these high profile positions. And the fact that maybe even would be closer to your "side" is that just because the Browns got rid of them and they had success elsewhere that it was an indictment on Browns. And that is certainly not always the case. With your Mostert example, it's not an indictment on the other 5 teams who previously had him.
As for Schwartz, the Browns didn't "get rid of" him. He left in FA. I think the biggest indictment on the Browns is not trying to keep Shanahan.
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I'm reminded of Indy's OL the years they had Luck -- Doubtful if Indy could have won the whole thing because their GM was arguably worse than ours [ Hi, Trent Richardson! ] but KC's ridiculousness dressed up as an OL is going to end Mahomes career a few seasons earlier than it should.
KC does have more than a few bargain-bin starters -- including their UDFA RB williams.
To be fair they are paying their OL -- 3 of top 9 are OL
Side note - aren't we all glad we avoided drafting the Honey Badger? Good times, great decisions. #Sarcasm
To be fair they are paying their OL -- 3 of top 9 are OL
And at least in the case of Fischer overpaying...
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Why HC Stephanski is the real deal:
Things like this. He's unflappable. Has a great sense of humor. and he is ready to roll.
and his staff is looking stellar so far.
Knows how to handle any situation, I bet.
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And you could have a great QB and a "crap OL" and not win. Its almost as if you need a well rounded TEAM.
And I wasn't singling out anyone, but people who just watch football don't seem to recognize how crucial OL are. Because they aren't the "difference makers" or the sexy part of the game.
But to the part of the Browns (or any team) getting rid of someone and they go on to be an important piece somewhere else, that doesn't mean they would have been that on their former team for a number of reasons, and not all are because of something to do with that former team.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
Yeah, Mostert did get his start with the Browns. And he also did nothing with three other teams (including the Ravens) before the 49ers picked him up. Is this year a fluke? Certainly can't blame the Browns on this one.
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