The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.
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Reports from Iowa City say Tristian Wirfs is headed to the NFL Draft...declared.. He's a Junior, that yes may need some NFL coaching polish... Those Key Combine numbers soon to come.. BTW.. All Junior's declaring, must do so by Friday ?
Reports from Iowa City say Tristian Wirfs is headed to the NFL Draft...declared.. He's a Junior, that yes may need some NFL coaching polish... Those Key Combine numbers soon to come.. BTW.. All Junior's declaring, must do so by Friday ?
Or Polish coaching which ever way you want to look at it.
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Whatever the draft picks are for any team...plz don't ask me to do the mock draft again. Some people are workaholics.
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Mekhi Becton, LT Louisville
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So far I've picked up and watched
- Bravvion Roy
- Tristin Wirfs
- Grant Delpit
I'll keep focusing on Wrifs and see him all the way through his 2019 season. Then I'll close the book and finish up on my thoughts on the other two before moving on. But there is a theme so far in Wirfs film - control (lack of) And he frequently loses his feet in pass pro and run blocking.
Go ahead and fast forward to 1:30 in this next clip. The idea on this zone block is that once he crosses the face of the edge defender, he should move to the 2nd level and look for work there while the playside OG on the stretch picks up the edge defender. Wirfs does the former, but without the added benefit of ripping past with his arms and keeping his base - arrives to the MIKE backer and barely gets a chip on him. Which in turns allow that same MIKE to get back into the play and damn near pull off the tackle. Credit to the linebacker for the motor, he never stopped fighting through to the ball carrier. Again, I don't see the devastating run blocking at any point during the previous cutups or this one vs Minnesota. So I'm wondering who in the hell gave him that label...?
Minny played a lot more 'heads up' on the ends and as a result, Tristan really wasn't threatened with speed. So naturally he looked "better" a little better in pass pro that particular week. But I still question this kids ability to hold up vs NFL speed on the end without serious (and I mean serious) work. \
edit: Almost forgot to point out. In this same clip at 2:13, Wirfs gets to the 2nd level on that same zone stretch. Only he gets to the backer, try's to lock him up and drive him back, only to lose his feet as the backer properly uses his arms to work clean of Tristan. At which point our supposed #10 overall pick falls right over. I just... I'm not getting the hype so far and the more I watch, the less I'm convinced. Is the physical potential there? Sure, it is with most every prospect. It's the NFL, these are the best of the best athletes. But the mental game, the drive and making the little things 2nd nature is what makes you great. This kid will need those things in spades before he's ready. On top of a shit ton of hours spent improving his kick step.
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Tour - how do you see Mekhi Becton? I watch him, and it's tough to believe he can play so well at that weight.
I'm not a big Wirfs LT draft advocate. I think he ends up inside, maybe RT depending.
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tia-Wirfs sounds like the perfect wiff for a 1st round Browns pick. "Tradition"-Fiddler on the Roof
If Depo's analytics gets him send them both packin'.
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Skipped ahead to the bowl game. A lot like a book, I wondered if the ending would be worth the read. At 6:09... it's the best snap I believe I've seen Wirfs take in pass pro. There are times his technique is just lazy. Either that or professional conditioning will do him a world of good. Seen spots in the previous games where he waist bends a good deal and doesn't get his head up. Granted, this is the bowl season game. A few weeks off to rest and get healthy tends to make a large difference. Obviously I'm not privy to any medical or training information about this kid like our front office will be, so my best takes are always educated guesses.
Here - good weight distribution, knee bend, weight not too far in front of him or behind him, head up/eyes up. USC kept throwing a TE stunt his way a handful of times throughout this game from a similar look. A 4iTech line and a 7tech, 2pt edge... There was real no decision to make unless the DI crosses his face to attack his outside shoulder, then the edge would loop inside and (coaches willing) be picked up by the guard. What we get is a smooth kick step, where he doesn't let his man get outside shoulder too fast, but doesn't over extend setting up to get beat inside, hands locked up the moment the DE goes to make contact, continues to drive his hands up and under the DE's pads.
My only real problems with this are - still finishing high in his stance/needing work on leverage and pad level. His initial punch lacks just that - punch. And USC doesn't have real talent on the ends to gauge just how impressive this snap COULD* have been. Again, sadly, this is his best snap I've seen so far.
It's still solid work and shows that the small details are fixable and that his feet can be smooth in the drop step. There is raw material here to work with, but one has to weigh any cap on a potential ceiling if you should draft this kid high and throw him into the fire year 1.
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Tour - how do you see Mekhi Becton? I watch him, and it's tough to believe he can play so well at that weight.
I'm not a big Wirfs LT draft advocate. I think he ends up inside, maybe RT depending.
Tour - how do you see Mekhi Becton? I watch him, and it's tough to believe he can play so well at that weight.
Haven't looked yet, cal.
tia-Wirfs sounds like the perfect wiff for a 1st round Browns pick. "Tradition"-Fiddler on the Roof
If Depo's analytics gets him send them both packin'.
Keep a good thought....
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Pausing Wirfs for just a moment. I'll most likely do 2 more games of his this season. Though I doubt I'll see anything beyond what he has already shown and we just have to be patient for the combine...
Sleeper RT has emerged after watching some highlights of the Shrine game. Especially if the Browns running game heads in the direction I expect it too. 6'4, 300lbs... great feet.
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@jimbojones said:
Currently, Javon Kinlaw, Isaiah Simmons or Grant Delpit should be our pick at #10. Leaning towards Kinlaw. Anyone see him at the senior bowl?
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10
I don't think the Senior Bowl has been played yet.
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@jimbojones said:
Currently, Javon Kinlaw, Isaiah Simmons or Grant Delpit should be our pick at #10. Leaning towards Kinlaw. Anyone see him at the senior bowl?
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10
I don't think the Senior Bowl has been played yet.
I don't think the Senior Bowl has been played yet.
senior bowl practice.
And I deleted my post after you replied because I realized I haven't even see much of Wills, Becton and Wirffs.
Anyways I could only find a few vids of Kinlaw at the SB practice on twitter which is why I'm wondering if anyone has seen more of him, but he's said to have dominated by the twitter user below...here are the few clips
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Never really had much regard for Kipwr or McShay. DJ on the other hand always seemed decent to me.
Mocks Wirfs to the Cards as an OG. So somebody else is at least seeing some similar things that I am.
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I don't think the Senior Bowl has been played yet.
senior bowl practice.
And I deleted my post after you replied because I realized I haven't even see much of Wills, Becton and Wirffs.
Anyways I could only find a few vids of Kinlaw at the SB practice on twitter which is why I'm wondering if anyone has seen more of him, but he's said to have dominated by the twitter user below...here are the few clips
Anyways I could only find a few vids of Kinlaw at the SB practice on twitter
Starting today the practices are on ESPNU... 1:30 to 3:30 and 4:00 to 6:00 EST.
PFF has Kinlaw as their #2 Int Defender and #14 overall prospect. Here are their 2019 notes...
Kinlaw put on an otherworldly display against Missouri in Week 4. Recording four hurries, one hit and one sack in 25 pass-rushing snaps, Kinlaw earned a 93.0 single-game pass-rushing grade for his efforts against the Tigers. It’s must-watch tape for all of Kinlaw’s fans and doubters. He recorded two or more pressures in every game he played in through Week 7, including six pressures in the Gamecocks’ upset win over Georgia.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Kid isn't technical, polished or disciplined... but holy shit is he quick, strong and violent.
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Kid isn't technical, polished or disciplined... but holy shit is he quick, strong and violent.
Kid isn't technical, polished or disciplined... but holy shit is he quick, strong and violent.
Coachable?
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Found a couple more of Kinlaw. Tripped in the first one then came back with the swim move.
My current top 4 for pick #10:
1. DL Javon Kinlaw
2. RT Isaiah Wilson
3. S Grant Delpit
4. LB Isaiah Simmons
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
And I haven't watched enough of Wills, Becton and Wirfs yet.
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Coachable?
No idea. I only have what I see on tape and then public comments made by coaches, interviewers and team mates. Although improvement from year to year can help indicate ones reception to being coached.
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Anyways I could only find a few vids of Kinlaw at the SB practice on twitter
Starting today the practices are on ESPNU... 1:30 to 3:30 and 4:00 to 6:00 EST.
PFF has Kinlaw as their #2 Int Defender and #14 overall prospect. Here are their 2019 notes...
Kinlaw put on an otherworldly display against Missouri in Week 4. Recording four hurries, one hit and one sack in 25 pass-rushing snaps, Kinlaw earned a 93.0 single-game pass-rushing grade for his efforts against the Tigers. It’s must-watch tape for all of Kinlaw’s fans and doubters. He recorded two or more pressures in every game he played in through Week 7, including six pressures in the Gamecocks’ upset win over Georgia.
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Found a couple more of Kinlaw. Tripped in the first one then came back with the swim move.
My current top 4 for pick #10:
1. DL Javon Kinlaw
2. RT Isaiah Wilson
3. S Grant Delpit
4. LB Isaiah Simmons
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
And I haven't watched enough of Wills, Becton and Wirfs yet.
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Were he to fall to us Okudah could be the ultimate test of BPA vs. needs based drafting.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Were he to fall to us Okudah could be the ultimate test of BPA vs. needs based drafting.
My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Were he to fall to us Okudah could be the ultimate test of BPA vs. needs based drafting.
There aren’t many top half of the first round OL prospects. And I’m not really interested in reaching just because we need one. Trade back and target one - sure. I’d be willing to trade back and take a couple in the second.
id be surprised if we take 7 guys in this draft. I think this front office will punt maybe take 4-5 guys and build for next draft and even target some vets for picks.
But if we stay There could be some really good defensive guys available on the 10 spot to Build around Garrett
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