The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.
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tia-Wirfs sounds like the perfect wiff for a 1st round Browns pick. "Tradition"-Fiddler on the Roof
If Depo's analytics gets him send them both packin'.
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Skipped ahead to the bowl game. A lot like a book, I wondered if the ending would be worth the read. At 6:09... it's the best snap I believe I've seen Wirfs take in pass pro. There are times his technique is just lazy. Either that or professional conditioning will do him a world of good. Seen spots in the previous games where he waist bends a good deal and doesn't get his head up. Granted, this is the bowl season game. A few weeks off to rest and get healthy tends to make a large difference. Obviously I'm not privy to any medical or training information about this kid like our front office will be, so my best takes are always educated guesses.
Here - good weight distribution, knee bend, weight not too far in front of him or behind him, head up/eyes up. USC kept throwing a TE stunt his way a handful of times throughout this game from a similar look. A 4iTech line and a 7tech, 2pt edge... There was real no decision to make unless the DI crosses his face to attack his outside shoulder, then the edge would loop inside and (coaches willing) be picked up by the guard. What we get is a smooth kick step, where he doesn't let his man get outside shoulder too fast, but doesn't over extend setting up to get beat inside, hands locked up the moment the DE goes to make contact, continues to drive his hands up and under the DE's pads.
My only real problems with this are - still finishing high in his stance/needing work on leverage and pad level. His initial punch lacks just that - punch. And USC doesn't have real talent on the ends to gauge just how impressive this snap COULD* have been. Again, sadly, this is his best snap I've seen so far.
It's still solid work and shows that the small details are fixable and that his feet can be smooth in the drop step. There is raw material here to work with, but one has to weigh any cap on a potential ceiling if you should draft this kid high and throw him into the fire year 1.
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Tour - how do you see Mekhi Becton? I watch him, and it's tough to believe he can play so well at that weight.
I'm not a big Wirfs LT draft advocate. I think he ends up inside, maybe RT depending.
Tour - how do you see Mekhi Becton? I watch him, and it's tough to believe he can play so well at that weight.
Haven't looked yet, cal.
tia-Wirfs sounds like the perfect wiff for a 1st round Browns pick. "Tradition"-Fiddler on the Roof
If Depo's analytics gets him send them both packin'.
Keep a good thought....
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Pausing Wirfs for just a moment. I'll most likely do 2 more games of his this season. Though I doubt I'll see anything beyond what he has already shown and we just have to be patient for the combine...
Sleeper RT has emerged after watching some highlights of the Shrine game. Especially if the Browns running game heads in the direction I expect it too. 6'4, 300lbs... great feet.
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@jimbojones said:
Currently, Javon Kinlaw, Isaiah Simmons or Grant Delpit should be our pick at #10. Leaning towards Kinlaw. Anyone see him at the senior bowl?
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10
I don't think the Senior Bowl has been played yet.
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@jimbojones said:
Currently, Javon Kinlaw, Isaiah Simmons or Grant Delpit should be our pick at #10. Leaning towards Kinlaw. Anyone see him at the senior bowl?
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10
I don't think the Senior Bowl has been played yet.
I don't think the Senior Bowl has been played yet.
senior bowl practice.
And I deleted my post after you replied because I realized I haven't even see much of Wills, Becton and Wirffs.
Anyways I could only find a few vids of Kinlaw at the SB practice on twitter which is why I'm wondering if anyone has seen more of him, but he's said to have dominated by the twitter user below...here are the few clips
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Never really had much regard for Kipwr or McShay. DJ on the other hand always seemed decent to me.
Mocks Wirfs to the Cards as an OG. So somebody else is at least seeing some similar things that I am.
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I don't think the Senior Bowl has been played yet.
senior bowl practice.
And I deleted my post after you replied because I realized I haven't even see much of Wills, Becton and Wirffs.
Anyways I could only find a few vids of Kinlaw at the SB practice on twitter which is why I'm wondering if anyone has seen more of him, but he's said to have dominated by the twitter user below...here are the few clips
Anyways I could only find a few vids of Kinlaw at the SB practice on twitter
Starting today the practices are on ESPNU... 1:30 to 3:30 and 4:00 to 6:00 EST.
PFF has Kinlaw as their #2 Int Defender and #14 overall prospect. Here are their 2019 notes...
Kinlaw put on an otherworldly display against Missouri in Week 4. Recording four hurries, one hit and one sack in 25 pass-rushing snaps, Kinlaw earned a 93.0 single-game pass-rushing grade for his efforts against the Tigers. It’s must-watch tape for all of Kinlaw’s fans and doubters. He recorded two or more pressures in every game he played in through Week 7, including six pressures in the Gamecocks’ upset win over Georgia.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Kid isn't technical, polished or disciplined... but holy shit is he quick, strong and violent.
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Kid isn't technical, polished or disciplined... but holy shit is he quick, strong and violent.
Kid isn't technical, polished or disciplined... but holy shit is he quick, strong and violent.
Coachable?
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Found a couple more of Kinlaw. Tripped in the first one then came back with the swim move.
My current top 4 for pick #10:
1. DL Javon Kinlaw
2. RT Isaiah Wilson
3. S Grant Delpit
4. LB Isaiah Simmons
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
And I haven't watched enough of Wills, Becton and Wirfs yet.
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Coachable?
No idea. I only have what I see on tape and then public comments made by coaches, interviewers and team mates. Although improvement from year to year can help indicate ones reception to being coached.
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Anyways I could only find a few vids of Kinlaw at the SB practice on twitter
Starting today the practices are on ESPNU... 1:30 to 3:30 and 4:00 to 6:00 EST.
PFF has Kinlaw as their #2 Int Defender and #14 overall prospect. Here are their 2019 notes...
Kinlaw put on an otherworldly display against Missouri in Week 4. Recording four hurries, one hit and one sack in 25 pass-rushing snaps, Kinlaw earned a 93.0 single-game pass-rushing grade for his efforts against the Tigers. It’s must-watch tape for all of Kinlaw’s fans and doubters. He recorded two or more pressures in every game he played in through Week 7, including six pressures in the Gamecocks’ upset win over Georgia.
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Found a couple more of Kinlaw. Tripped in the first one then came back with the swim move.
My current top 4 for pick #10:
1. DL Javon Kinlaw
2. RT Isaiah Wilson
3. S Grant Delpit
4. LB Isaiah Simmons
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
And I haven't watched enough of Wills, Becton and Wirfs yet.
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Were he to fall to us Okudah could be the ultimate test of BPA vs. needs based drafting.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Were he to fall to us Okudah could be the ultimate test of BPA vs. needs based drafting.
My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Were he to fall to us Okudah could be the ultimate test of BPA vs. needs based drafting.
There aren’t many top half of the first round OL prospects. And I’m not really interested in reaching just because we need one. Trade back and target one - sure. I’d be willing to trade back and take a couple in the second.
id be surprised if we take 7 guys in this draft. I think this front office will punt maybe take 4-5 guys and build for next draft and even target some vets for picks.
But if we stay There could be some really good defensive guys available on the 10 spot to Build around Garrett
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My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Were he to fall to us Okudah could be the ultimate test of BPA vs. needs based drafting.
There aren’t many top half of the first round OL prospects. And I’m not really interested in reaching just because we need one. Trade back and target one - sure. I’d be willing to trade back and take a couple in the second.
id be surprised if we take 7 guys in this draft. I think this front office will punt maybe take 4-5 guys and build for next draft and even target some vets for picks.
But if we stay There could be some really good defensive guys available on the 10 spot to Build around Garrett
- There aren’t many top half of the first round OL prospects.
- And I’m not really interested in reaching just because we need one.
- Trade back and target one - sure. I’d be willing to trade back and take a couple in the second.
- id be surprised if we take 7 guys in this draft. I think this front office will punt maybe take 4-5 guys and build for next draft and even target some vets for picks. But if we stay There could be some really good defensive guys available on the 10 spot to Build around Garrett
Good stuff...
- That's the vibe I'm getting as well.
- Reaching is the worst thing a team can do. Need is a tiebreaker.
- Somewhere around pick #20 there may be some OL value.
- Dunno... depends on the degree of our College Scouting Department's alignment with our incoming GM. If it's bad enough, then I can see kicking the can to 2021. However, apparently it's clear that the Brass' expectations for 2020 aren't going anywhere except higher, so any can-kicking comes with a peril of its own.
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Feels 2016-ish. We don't have a GM or OC in place, and minimum scouting at the senior bowl yet conducting no interviews there as well.
I'm hoping we don't "punt" on this draft, so to speak. There is still an infusion of talent needed. I'm cool if we get that at lower draft position, Browns are a prime spot for trading out of 10. Then again, I don't see some "can't miss" targets like we passed on 4 years ago. So maybe I'm needlessly making the comparison?
Either way, so far those that I've watched - aside from Bravvion Roy... have failed to truly land an impression.
- I'm a solid pass on Wirfs, especially at 10. I'm not taking a future guard that high and Driscoll pass blocks just as well if not better from what little I've compared so far.
- Delpit I'm so-so. I can see good things, but I don't see Sean Taylor where I'm just drooling. I don't even seen Jamal Adams at the moment.
- Bravvion? I don't see the need for him THAT high. Day 2 and beyond guy? Hell yeah.
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Just watched KJ Hill's clips at the Senior Bowl.
Another Buckeye receiver flying under the radar....
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Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Were he to fall to us Okudah could be the ultimate test of BPA vs. needs based drafting.
My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Are you a fan of Paul Alexander? He's a so-called OL guru, that has been on the field at NFL radio all senior bowl practice week with the linemen.. Paul only see's 2 legit LT's in this draft.. #1 Thomas #2 Josh Jones... On Jones, Paul loves his quiet quick feet but loves the loud thuds even more with Jones's hands...Have you seen any of this watching any Houston games?
EdiT-- i got loads of sleepers watching senior bowl week.. First, our local Hickory, N.Carolina kid from Lenior-Rhyne.. Kyle Dugger, can play against the big schools. LB size with speed playing Safety..Appie ST..LB Akeem Davis-Gaither..AD can Bang! Hope they both show well at game..
CB UCLA Darnay Holmes...this dude don't give a inch all week in coverage..adding to game tape list
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My early work on Thomas has left me underwhelmed. Have you posted your observations?
Are you a fan of Paul Alexander? He's a so-called OL guru, that has been on the field at NFL radio all senior bowl practice week with the linemen.. Paul only see's 2 legit LT's in this draft.. #1 Thomas #2 Josh Jones... On Jones, Paul loves his quiet quick feet but loves the loud thuds even more with Jones's hands...Have you seen any of this watching any Houston games?
EdiT-- i got loads of sleepers watching senior bowl week.. First, our local Hickory, N.Carolina kid from Lenior-Rhyne.. Kyle Dugger, can play against the big schools. LB size with speed playing Safety..Appie ST..LB Akeem Davis-Gaither..AD can Bang! Hope they both show well at game..
CB UCLA Darnay Holmes...this dude don't give a inch all week in coverage..adding to game tape list
Are you a fan of Paul Alexander? He's a so-called OL guru, that has been on the field at NFL radio all senior bowl practice week with the linemen.. Paul only see's 2 legit LT's in this draft.. #1 Thomas #2 Josh Jones... On Jones, Paul loves his quiet quick feet but loves the loud thuds even more with Jones's hands...Have you seen any of this watching any Houston games?
EdiT-- i got loads of sleepers watching senior bowl week.. First, our local Hickory, N.Carolina kid from Lenior-Rhyne.. Kyle Dugger, can play against the big schools. LB size with speed playing Safety..Appie ST..LB Akeem Davis-Gaither..AD can Bang! Hope they both show well at game..
CB UCLA Darnay Holmes...this dude don't give a inch all week in coverage..adding to game tape list
Got a text from a friend of mine about this very kid around 3pm. So this is the 2nd time I've seen him name dropped today.
That good, eh?
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