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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @dutch-oven said:

    You having a good time with this guaranteed 10 or more loss a season team Mark? 

    Yeah, you're right... I'm not having fun watching the Browns be a complete clusterfuck - AND THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. 

    Guaranteed? You have a functional crystal ball? You don't know that, no one does. You're using the past to predict the future. Ghoolie would be proud of you. 

    @hoorta said:

    Guaranteed? You have a functional crystal ball? You don't know that, no one does. You're using the past to predict the future. Ghoolie would be proud of you. 

    Guaranteed as in they have been (pretty much) a guaranteed 10 or more loss team for the first 21 seasons of this run of the Browns... not meant as prediction of the future, even if I do have zero faith in this current set-up. 

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @hoorta said:

    Guaranteed? You have a functional crystal ball? You don't know that, no one does. You're using the past to predict the future. Ghoolie would be proud of you. 

    Guaranteed as in they have been (pretty much) a guaranteed 10 or more loss team for the first 21 seasons of this run of the Browns... not meant as prediction of the future, even if I do have zero faith in this current set-up. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Guaranteed as in they have been (pretty much) a guaranteed 10 or more loss team for the first 21 seasons of this run of the Browns... not meant as prediction of the future, even if I do have zero faith in this current set-up. 

    Here's the difference. I don't have much faith in this current incarnation of the Front Office and coaching staff either. But I'm willing to give them a chance before I pile on with the negativity..... 

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @dutch-oven said:

    Guaranteed as in they have been (pretty much) a guaranteed 10 or more loss team for the first 21 seasons of this run of the Browns... not meant as prediction of the future, even if I do have zero faith in this current set-up. 

    Here's the difference. I don't have much faith in this current incarnation of the Front Office and coaching staff either. But I'm willing to give them a chance before I pile on with the negativity..... 

    @hoorta said:

    Here's the difference. I don't have much faith in this current incarnation of the Front Office and coaching staff either. But I'm willing to give them a chance before I pile on with the negativity..... 

    I like to get in before the crowds... ?

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @mark-o said:

    But carry on with the sky is falling and the team is shitty and they're all getting fired next offseason.    Hope y'all have something fun to do in your spare time because there's a lot of you who certainly aren't having any fun with the football team.  

    You having a good time with this guaranteed 10 or more loss a season team Mark? 

    Yeah, you're right... I'm not having fun watching the Browns be a complete clusterfuck - AND THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Yeah, you're right... I'm not having fun watching the Browns be a complete clusterfuck - AND THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. 

    This is my sentiments to a “T”.

    The Browns front office has been so bad, they can’t even draw interest from some potential top candidates.

    And that falls squarely on the shoulders of Jimmah & Dee.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @dutch-oven said:

    Yeah, you're right... I'm not having fun watching the Browns be a complete clusterfuck - AND THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. 

    This is my sentiments to a “T”.

    The Browns front office has been so bad, they can’t even draw interest from some potential top candidates.

    And that falls squarely on the shoulders of Jimmah & Dee.

    @canton-dawg said:

    This is my sentiments to a “T”.

    The Browns front office has been so bad, they can’t even draw interest from some potential top candidates.

    And that falls squarely on the shoulders of Jimmah & Dee.

    My greatest disappointment is that Kubiac didn't come with him as our new OC, but decided OC with the Viks likely had greater chance of continued employment. Kind of telling about owners.?

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @mark-o said:

    But carry on with the sky is falling and the team is shitty and they're all getting fired next offseason.    Hope y'all have something fun to do in your spare time because there's a lot of you who certainly aren't having any fun with the football team.  

    You having a good time with this guaranteed 10 or more loss a season team Mark? 

    Yeah, you're right... I'm not having fun watching the Browns be a complete clusterfuck - AND THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    You having a good time with this guaranteed 10 or more loss a season team Mark?

    Not knowing what FA moves we'll make and who we'll draft... a 10 loss 2020 feels about right at this point... and considering new systems, new young coaches and FO... that ain't bad.

    Question is Dutch, had we stood pat, Freddie included, then what would you put our losses at?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dutch-oven said:

    You having a good time with this guaranteed 10 or more loss a season team Mark?

    Not knowing what FA moves we'll make and who we'll draft... a 10 loss 2020 feels about right at this point... and considering new systems, new young coaches and FO... that ain't bad.

    Question is Dutch, had we stood pat, Freddie included, then what would you put our losses at?

    @tour2ma said:

    Not knowing what FA moves we'll make and who we'll draft... a 10 loss 2020 feels about right at this point... and considering new systems, new young coaches and FO... that ain't bad.

    Question is Dutch, had we stood pat, Freddie included, then what would you put our losses at?

    Once again, and it's probably because I worded it poorly, I wasn't "calling my shot" with a prediction that the upcoming season will be a 10 or more loss season. I meant virtually every season in the last 21 has been a 10 or more loss season.

  • lol...

    Well don't go all optimistic on us now... just when hoorta was preparing to pass his "Curmudgeon" moniker to you.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    lol...

    Well don't go all optimistic on us now... just when hoorta was preparing to pass his "Curmudgeon" moniker to you.

    @tour2ma said:

    lol...

    Well don't go all optimistic on us now... just when hoorta was preparing to pass his "Curmudgeon" moniker to you.

    Like I said, I'm just "beating the crowds" when it comes to this current set-up.

    I'm sure it will be a full-on traffic jam soon enough. ?

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dutch-oven said:

    You having a good time with this guaranteed 10 or more loss a season team Mark?

    Not knowing what FA moves we'll make and who we'll draft... a 10 loss 2020 feels about right at this point... and considering new systems, new young coaches and FO... that ain't bad.

    Question is Dutch, had we stood pat, Freddie included, then what would you put our losses at?

    @tour2ma said:

    Not knowing what FA moves we'll make and who we'll draft... a 10 loss 2020 feels about right at this point... and considering new systems, new young coaches and FO... that ain't bad.

    Question is Dutch, had we stood pat, Freddie included, then what would you put our losses at?

    I really think myself included that the 7-8-1 season with the #1 pick Heisman trophy winning quarterback got BROWNS fans everywhere all shook up and they started envisioning 10 to 12 win seasons and playoffs and all of that.

    Then 6-10 comes along and the same guy is at the controls, new coach and now we're lost again asking if the BROWNS might break .500 again.

    So what do we Vince ?

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  • One of my main problems going forward is with everyone reporting to the owner.

    It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'.  

    .....might be better off having them report to the new Chief Of Staff.....

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
    Canton DawgC Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • OrionO Orion

    One of my main problems going forward is with everyone reporting to the owner.

    It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'.  

    .....might be better off having them report to the new Chief Of Staff.....

    @orion said:

    One of my main problems going forward is with everyone reporting to the owner.

    It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'.  

    .....might be better off having them report to the new Chief Of Staff.....

    You mean a football Czar?

    They had one of those in Mike Holmgren, and that set up didn’t work either.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
    The GipperT OrionO 2 Replies
  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @orion said:

    One of my main problems going forward is with everyone reporting to the owner.

    It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'.  

    .....might be better off having them report to the new Chief Of Staff.....

    You mean a football Czar?

    They had one of those in Mike Holmgren, and that set up didn’t work either.

    @canton-dawg said:

    You mean a football Czar?

    They had one of those in Mike Holmgren, and that set up didn’t work either.

    But that was because of Holmgren. not because of the set up

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @canton-dawg said:

    You mean a football Czar?

    They had one of those in Mike Holmgren, and that set up didn’t work either.

    But that was because of Holmgren. not because of the set up

    @the-gipper said:

    But that was because of Holmgren. not because of the set up

    I think the set up isn’t relevant when Jimmy Haslam is part of the equation.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
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  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @orion said:

    One of my main problems going forward is with everyone reporting to the owner.

    It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'.  

    .....might be better off having them report to the new Chief Of Staff.....

    You mean a football Czar?

    They had one of those in Mike Holmgren, and that set up didn’t work either.

    @canton-dawg said:

    You mean a football Czar?

    Tongue in cheek, sort of.  Anything is better than having Jimmy in the loop.  But now we've got him in THREE loops.

    I can almost understand DePo having his own path to Jimmy.  The analytics guy.  Although he also works with the GM & HC.  He's not breaking down the film regarding player's technique, but he has other info (character, value, etc.)

    It's not that I don't think that a HC & GM being equals on the organizational chart is inherently a bad thing.  I just think when it's JIMMY in the equation....it's safer to have fewer people in his ear.

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE

  • I thought there was a chance that Jimmy would appoint Peyton Manning as our footballs Czar. He seems to respect no one else in this business but I know he respects Peyton

  • Will Berry even fill the Eliot Wolf position? I hate the idea that Berry can only talk nuts & bolts of football to 2 nuts.. Highsmith's position, you would think, would have to have a newbie?  

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  • OrionO Orion

    One of my main problems going forward is with everyone reporting to the owner.

    It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'.  

    .....might be better off having them report to the new Chief Of Staff.....

    @orion said:

    It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'. 

    I don't think it's so much that Jimmah likes hearing dirt as it is he likes being in the loop(s). My impression, and I think yours as well, is that others have sidled up to him for some one-on-one time, namely Dorsey and Hue and Farmer. That's why there's been such an emphasis of filling key positions with guys who can work together, i.e., collaborate.

    My question is: How much is Jimmah in Berea these days? If answer is "not much", then odds are he only has weekly meetings with the key Depo-Berry-Stef trio as a group. Minimizing sidle opportunities isn't as important now as it might be during the 2020 season, but it can't hurt to do so early when the trio is learning how to work together.

    @gumby73 said:

    Will Berry even fill the Eliot Wolf position? I hate the idea that Berry can only talk nuts & bolts of football to 2 nuts.. Highsmith's position, you would think, would have to have a newbie?  

    The Head of College Scouting is the only position I see as a "must fill", but I'd expect Berry to tab an Asst. GM as well. The question is timing. How much value is there in spending the time to bring in new folks this close to the Draft vs. focusing on Big Board prep.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Here's the transcript of Berry's introductory press conference...  I can read faster than he can talk... It's not going to be all analytics folks....  

    "Now listen – I want to make this very clear because I know a lot has been rumored and said about this topic – we will be a scouting-centered front office because I have always believed and I continue to believe scouting to be the lifeblood of roster building in the NFL. We also are going to incorporate information, research and insights into our decision making." 

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/andrew-berry-discusses-his-new-role-as-browns-gm-at-introductory-press-conference-transcript.html

  • hoortaH hoorta

    Here's the transcript of Berry's introductory press conference...  I can read faster than he can talk... It's not going to be all analytics folks....  

    "Now listen – I want to make this very clear because I know a lot has been rumored and said about this topic – we will be a scouting-centered front office because I have always believed and I continue to believe scouting to be the lifeblood of roster building in the NFL. We also are going to incorporate information, research and insights into our decision making." 

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/andrew-berry-discusses-his-new-role-as-browns-gm-at-introductory-press-conference-transcript.html

    @hoorta said:

    "Now listen – I want to make this very clear because I know a lot has been rumored and said about this topic – we will be a scouting-centered front office because I have always believed and I continue to believe scouting to be the lifeblood of roster building in the NFL. We also are going to incorporate information, research and insights into our decision making." 

    THAT was the best part of his presser, for me anyway.

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
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