Bold idea that would change the landscape of sports in Cleveland
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I'll not argue that a retractable dome may bring Super Bowls & other events to Cleveland but, as a 73 year old Browns' Fan & Season Ticket Member, I prefer football played "in the elements". I really can't imagine sitting "inside" at a football game. It just doesn't seem natural to me.
Bottom line is that, no matter what, I'm all in as a Browns' Fan for the rest of my life.
Mike
Agree 100%. Dress for the tailgate and weather. Yeah, those windy days can be tough, but if we are still here after all the years of crap, we aren't going anywhere.
In 2007 I took my (at the time) 12 year old son to St. Louis to watch the Browns/Rams game. It was boring sitting in a dome.Felt like a movie theater.
Went to Jerry's Palace in 2012, Browns/Cowboys. While it's not a true "dome," it is pretty darn close. Honestly, I wasn't impressed with that stadium at all. I found myself looking at the giant TV too much (and bitching about Brandon Weeden lol...who throws a ball into the bleachers on 4th and goal from the 3?).
Went to Phoenix this year, Browns/Cardinals. Funny, I completely agree they need a dome, it's way to hot down there, but once again, just an odd atmosphere.
Our problem in Cleveland is simply our sports teams owners are all mixed up. Dolan needs to own an NBA or NFL team with a salary cap. Gilbert or Haslam should own the Tribe, they'd ante up for Lindor.
Agree 100%. Dress for the tailgate and weather. Yeah, those windy days can be tough, but if we are still here after all the years of crap, we aren't going anywhere.
In 2007 I took my (at the time) 12 year old son to St. Louis to watch the Browns/Rams game. It was boring sitting in a dome.Felt like a movie theater.
Went to Jerry's Palace in 2012, Browns/Cowboys. While it's not a true "dome," it is pretty darn close. Honestly, I wasn't impressed with that stadium at all. I found myself looking at the giant TV too much (and bitching about Brandon Weeden lol...who throws a ball into the bleachers on 4th and goal from the 3?).
Went to Phoenix this year, Browns/Cardinals. Funny, I completely agree they need a dome, it's way to hot down there, but once again, just an odd atmosphere.
Our problem in Cleveland is simply our sports teams owners are all mixed up. Dolan needs to own an NBA or NFL team with a salary cap. Gilbert or Haslam should own the Tribe, they'd ante up for Lindor.
Great post Bob!! Your last statements about owners & Lindor are PERFECT!!
Mike
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Shut up
soccersupercross fag.Did you not get the memo on immature name-calling, Tour? ?
The original post is still standing, apparently that stand is on a case-by-case situation.
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Football indoors sucks, especially for Browns fans used to football being played in the mud and snow.
But financially there is nothing more idiotic than building an astronomically expensive building that gets used 12 or so times a year, especially when it sits on prime real estate.
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I agree with you on Progressive Field, but not on First Energy. There is no bigger waste of money and space than an open-air football stadium, especially in the North.
Put a lid on that sucker and you guys will finally be able to see the greatest sport ever.....
Supercross baby.
Put a lid on that sucker and you guys will finally be able to see the greatest sport ever.....
Supercross baby.
Can’t they do that outdoors
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Sounds dumb to me...
I noticed that Gilbert commented on every franchise's home other than his.
I love the Jake...
I like that Browns Stadium was built on the site of old Muni...
Sounds dumb to me...
I noticed that Gilbert commented on every franchise's home other than his.
I love the Jake...
I like that Browns Stadium was built on the site of old Muni...
Rather than ripping down Browns Stadium long before it's a fossil, couldn't they just add a retractable roof to it?
If we're going to get really open-minded here, why not bring Paul Brown's franchise here for the 8 games Cleveland plays away - so the football fans in Ohio finally have a chance to see 6-8 wins in the stadium on Lake Erie? Paul Brown was the only good owner we've had and same with Cincy. Cincy wanted to keep the orange and brown colors and tradition Paul started so why not do so in the only place Paul Brown won multiple Pro Football Championships? Cincy can change their name to the Ohio Junior Varsity.
When Roger finally gets his dream of putting another NFL franchise in London or Toronto or Mexico - we can finally combine the 2 Ohio teams (that would already be playing here) and put Mike Brown/family out of their misery of tarnishing what Paul started. That, or we could have a contest to see what ownership deserves the blended teams by then... If they both keep on keepin on - let the owner's spouses mud wrestle for it. Loser at least gets the money the winner has to pay in buy-out. The Winner gets to keep playing Charlie Brown trying to kick the game winning points with Lucy holding. The fans get to keep reminding themselves how much they appreciate Ohio State - where winning is a tradition!
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Sounds dumb to me...
I noticed that Gilbert commented on every franchise's home other than his.
I love the Jake...
I like that Browns Stadium was built on the site of old Muni...
Rather than ripping down Browns Stadium long before it's a fossil, couldn't they just add a retractable roof to it?
If we're going to get really open-minded here, why not bring Paul Brown's franchise here for the 8 games Cleveland plays away - so the football fans in Ohio finally have a chance to see 6-8 wins in the stadium on Lake Erie? Paul Brown was the only good owner we've had and same with Cincy. Cincy wanted to keep the orange and brown colors and tradition Paul started so why not do so in the only place Paul Brown won multiple Pro Football Championships? Cincy can change their name to the Ohio Junior Varsity.
When Roger finally gets his dream of putting another NFL franchise in London or Toronto or Mexico - we can finally combine the 2 Ohio teams (that would already be playing here) and put Mike Brown/family out of their misery of tarnishing what Paul started. That, or we could have a contest to see what ownership deserves the blended teams by then... If they both keep on keepin on - let the owner's spouses mud wrestle for it. Loser at least gets the money the winner has to pay in buy-out. The Winner gets to keep playing Charlie Brown trying to kick the game winning points with Lucy holding. The fans get to keep reminding themselves how much they appreciate Ohio State - where winning is a tradition!
Rather than ripping down Browns Stadium long before it's a fossil, couldn't they just add a retractable roof to it?
If we're going to get really open-minded here, why not bring Paul Brown's franchise here for the 8 games Cleveland plays away - so the football fans in Ohio finally have a chance to see 6-8 wins in the stadium on Lake Erie? Paul Brown was the only good owner we've had and same with Cincy. Cincy wanted to keep the orange and brown colors and tradition Paul started so why not do so in the only place Paul Brown won multiple Pro Football Championships? Cincy can change their name to the Ohio Junior Varsity.
When Roger finally gets his dream of putting another NFL franchise in London or Toronto or Mexico - we can finally combine the 2 Ohio teams (that would already be playing here) and put Mike Brown/family out of their misery of tarnishing what Paul started. That, or we could have a contest to see what ownership deserves the blended teams by then... If they both keep on keepin on - let the owner's spouses mud wrestle for it. Loser at least gets the money the winner has to pay in buy-out. The Winner gets to keep playing Charlie Brown trying to kick the game winning points with Lucy holding. The fans get to keep reminding themselves how much they appreciate Ohio State - where winning is a tradition!
FYI....Paul Brown was never the owner of the Cleveland Browns.
Owners
Person Teams From To Titles Notes Arthur McBride Browns 1946 1952 Principal Owner David Jones Browns 1953 1960 Partial Owner, President/Majority Owner Ellis Ryan Browns 1953 1960 Partial Owner, President/Partial Owner Art Modell Browns 1961 1995 Principal Owner Al Lerner Browns 1999 2001 Principal Owner Randy Lerner Browns 2002 2011 Principal Owner, Principal Owner/President Jimmy Haslam III Browns 2012 2019 Principal Owner -
Rather than ripping down Browns Stadium long before it's a fossil, couldn't they just add a retractable roof to it?
If we're going to get really open-minded here, why not bring Paul Brown's franchise here for the 8 games Cleveland plays away - so the football fans in Ohio finally have a chance to see 6-8 wins in the stadium on Lake Erie? Paul Brown was the only good owner we've had and same with Cincy. Cincy wanted to keep the orange and brown colors and tradition Paul started so why not do so in the only place Paul Brown won multiple Pro Football Championships? Cincy can change their name to the Ohio Junior Varsity.
When Roger finally gets his dream of putting another NFL franchise in London or Toronto or Mexico - we can finally combine the 2 Ohio teams (that would already be playing here) and put Mike Brown/family out of their misery of tarnishing what Paul started. That, or we could have a contest to see what ownership deserves the blended teams by then... If they both keep on keepin on - let the owner's spouses mud wrestle for it. Loser at least gets the money the winner has to pay in buy-out. The Winner gets to keep playing Charlie Brown trying to kick the game winning points with Lucy holding. The fans get to keep reminding themselves how much they appreciate Ohio State - where winning is a tradition!
FYI....Paul Brown was never the owner of the Cleveland Browns.
Owners
Person Teams From To Titles Notes Arthur McBride Browns 1946 1952 Principal Owner David Jones Browns 1953 1960 Partial Owner, President/Majority Owner Ellis Ryan Browns 1953 1960 Partial Owner, President/Partial Owner Art Modell Browns 1961 1995 Principal Owner Al Lerner Browns 1999 2001 Principal Owner Randy Lerner Browns 2002 2011 Principal Owner, Principal Owner/President Jimmy Haslam III Browns 2012 2019 Principal Owner FYI....Paul Brown was never the owner of the Cleveland Browns.
Owners
Person Teams From To Titles Notes Arthur McBride Browns 1946 1952 Principal Owner David Jones Browns 1953 1960 Partial Owner, President/Majority Owner Ellis Ryan Browns 1953 1960 Partial Owner, President/Partial Owner Art Modell Browns 1961 1995 Principal Owner Al Lerner Browns 1999 2001 Principal Owner Randy Lerner Browns 2002 2011 Principal Owner, Principal Owner/President Jimmy Haslam III Browns 2012 2019 Principal Owner Come on Gipper - I was on the same roll Belushi was on in Animal House. And btw nobody ever answered his question - "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pear Harbor?"
For some absurd reason, I thought he once owned/partially owned the team before/when it first joined the NFL (long before Modell arrived). I miss the days when I didn't have to think about who the owners were. Last week, feels like such a long time ago.
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............ and you guys think going across the middle is for tough guys. We think that's cute.
Thatta boy D-Bone! Rumor has it Steeler fans try the same thing on a metal unicorn.
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Football indoors sucks, especially for Browns fans used to football being played in the mud and snow.
But financially there is nothing more idiotic than building an astronomically expensive building that gets used 12 or so times a year, especially when it sits on prime real estate.
Football indoors sucks, especially for Browns fans used to football being played in the mud and snow.
But financially there is nothing more idiotic than building an astronomically expensive building that gets used 12 or so times a year, especially when it sits on prime real estate.
The outdoor vs dome/retractable stadium talk is about drawing other venues to a football stadium besides two preseason games and eight regular season games in 365 days a year.
Fan and player comfort is just nice if you have a rare 0° day with 25 mph winds or maybe torrential rain.
Also the joint football/baseball stadiums are gone forever.........unless Al Davis rises out of his grave just to piss us all off again.
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Did you not get the memo on immature name-calling, Tour? ?
The original post is still standing, apparently that stand is on a case-by-case situation.
Hardly name calling Dutch. Tour was expressing his personal opinion (which happens to be different) than yours.
There's ways to disagree without resorting to calling someone a racist bigot.
Your feelings hurt because I'm tired of you and Gorka calling each other names? FWIW, I wound up wasting a lot of time deleting what amounted to roughly 30% of the Garrett thread that was just off topic personal insult bullshit.
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How many packs of smokes and bottles are you gonna tax?
tear downs $$
new builds $$$$$$
and you just put a ton of money in First energy and not too long ago the Prog the new scoreboard etc
before they built first energy I was screaming for a dome for the very reasons brought up. Super Bowl, NCAA other big events. We doubled down and remodeled it now too.
too lateI think it's a pipe dream too...
Someday the Browns will be playing in a retractable dome. I have a feeling if the Haslams are around for the long term, they'll demand an upgrade.
I still think the next ballpark the Indians play in won't be in Cleveland.
I think it's a pipe dream too...
Someday the Browns will be playing in a retractable dome. I have a feeling if the Haslams are around for the long term, they'll demand an upgrade.
I still think the next ballpark the Indians play in won't be in Cleveland.
The Jake... Prog...has at least 20-25 years left.
it will be interesting in that time it could very well be a early-mid 90s type scenario again. Browns and Indians looking for new Stadiums. Absolutely nothing wrong with First energy it is as modern as any stadium out there.
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I think it's a pipe dream too...
Someday the Browns will be playing in a retractable dome. I have a feeling if the Haslams are around for the long term, they'll demand an upgrade.
I still think the next ballpark the Indians play in won't be in Cleveland.
The Jake... Prog...has at least 20-25 years left.
it will be interesting in that time it could very well be a early-mid 90s type scenario again. Browns and Indians looking for new Stadiums. Absolutely nothing wrong with First energy it is as modern as any stadium out there.
The Jake... Prog...has at least 20-25 years left.
it will be interesting in that time it could very well be a early-mid 90s type scenario again. Browns and Indians looking for new Stadiums. Absolutely nothing wrong with First energy it is as modern as any stadium out there.
Team's leases end well before that time.
We'll see how many years the Browns and Indians want to stay where they are, regardless of how many years we all think the stadiums have. If the Dolans sell the Indians, I'd almost guarantee the new owners will start clamoring for a new stadium, the same way the Haslams are slowly hinting that they want an upgrade over First Energy.
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I think it's a pipe dream too...
Someday the Browns will be playing in a retractable dome. I have a feeling if the Haslams are around for the long term, they'll demand an upgrade.
I still think the next ballpark the Indians play in won't be in Cleveland.
The Jake... Prog...has at least 20-25 years left.
it will be interesting in that time it could very well be a early-mid 90s type scenario again. Browns and Indians looking for new Stadiums. Absolutely nothing wrong with First energy it is as modern as any stadium out there.
The Jake... Prog...has at least 20-25 years left.
it will be interesting in that time it could very well be a early-mid 90s type scenario again. Browns and Indians looking for new Stadiums. Absolutely nothing wrong with First energy it is as modern as any stadium out there.
I'll add my two cents about First Energy here.
First about putting a dome on it. Can't and won't happen. Structurally wasn't built for one. Putting a bubble over it has already been suggested. Retrofitting it with the requisite HVAC would be a nightmare. If you want a dome, more efficient to start from scratch, and the going rate seems to be around $2 billion to go that route.
As to there being "nothing wrong" with it, I'll disagree. My Bucket List is to see the Browns play in every NFL venue, and I'm about 1\2 way there. When the stadium was built, the goal was to replicate the "feel" of the old place as closely as possible. Bad idea. The concourse behind the stands is woefully cramped (sardine city) compared to almost all of the other stadiums. Paul Brown in Cincinnati has at least triple if not four times the space. I was really hoping when Jimmy poured millions into the stadium renovation, he'd address the shortcomings, but it didn't happen. BTW, when planning for the stadium originally came out, the fan opinion was overwhelming "no dome".
FWIW, by my count, there's 15 teams with the potential of a cold weather game, and three domes. Tells me all I need to know. Apparently there's a lot of wimps afraid of getting their toes cold.
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Did you not get the memo on immature name-calling, Tour? ?
The original post is still standing, apparently that stand is on a case-by-case situation.
Hardly name calling Dutch. Tour was expressing his personal opinion (which happens to be different) than yours.
There's ways to disagree without resorting to calling someone a racist bigot.
Your feelings hurt because I'm tired of you and Gorka calling each other names? FWIW, I wound up wasting a lot of time deleting what amounted to roughly 30% of the Garrett thread that was just off topic personal insult bullshit.
Hardly name calling Dutch. Tour was expressing his personal opinion (which happens to be different) than yours.
There's ways to disagree without resorting to calling someone a racist bigot.
Your feelings hurt because I'm tired of you and Gorka calling each other names? FWIW, I wound up wasting a lot of time deleting what amounted to roughly 30% of the Garrett thread that was just off topic personal insult bullshit.
Sweet Jesus, my post could not have flown any higher over your head if it was flying first class in a 747.
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The Jake... Prog...has at least 20-25 years left.
it will be interesting in that time it could very well be a early-mid 90s type scenario again. Browns and Indians looking for new Stadiums. Absolutely nothing wrong with First energy it is as modern as any stadium out there.
I'll add my two cents about First Energy here.
First about putting a dome on it. Can't and won't happen. Structurally wasn't built for one. Putting a bubble over it has already been suggested. Retrofitting it with the requisite HVAC would be a nightmare. If you want a dome, more efficient to start from scratch, and the going rate seems to be around $2 billion to go that route.
As to there being "nothing wrong" with it, I'll disagree. My Bucket List is to see the Browns play in every NFL venue, and I'm about 1\2 way there. When the stadium was built, the goal was to replicate the "feel" of the old place as closely as possible. Bad idea. The concourse behind the stands is woefully cramped (sardine city) compared to almost all of the other stadiums. Paul Brown in Cincinnati has at least triple if not four times the space. I was really hoping when Jimmy poured millions into the stadium renovation, he'd address the shortcomings, but it didn't happen. BTW, when planning for the stadium originally came out, the fan opinion was overwhelming "no dome".
FWIW, by my count, there's 15 teams with the potential of a cold weather game, and three domes. Tells me all I need to know. Apparently there's a lot of wimps afraid of getting their toes cold.
I'll add my two cents about First Energy here.
First about putting a dome on it. Can't and won't happen. Structurally wasn't built for one. Putting a bubble over it has already been suggested. Retrofitting it with the requisite HVAC would be a nightmare. If you want a dome, more efficient to start from scratch, and the going rate seems to be around $2 billion to go that route.
As to there being "nothing wrong" with it, I'll disagree. My Bucket List is to see the Browns play in every NFL venue, and I'm about 1\2 way there. When the stadium was built, the goal was to replicate the "feel" of the old place as closely as possible. Bad idea. The concourse behind the stands is woefully cramped (sardine city) compared to almost all of the other stadiums. Paul Brown in Cincinnati has at least triple if not four times the space. I was really hoping when Jimmy poured millions into the stadium renovation, he'd address the shortcomings, but it didn't happen. BTW, when planning for the stadium originally came out, the fan opinion was overwhelming "no dome".
FWIW, by my count, there's 15 teams with the potential of a cold weather game, and three domes. Tells me all I need to know. Apparently there's a lot of wimps afraid of getting their toes cold.
Just out of curiosity Larry, I would like to see that list of all the stadiums you have attended. ( I know you have been to Titans/Texans of course as I was with you for those).
I know you are talking about Dallas this year. I assume that is one you have not been to. And it is my understanding, if there is to be a "Browns Board" away game tailgate, Dallas is the likely target. Depending on the scheduling, there is a very slim chance I could do that....big maybe. (again would look to maybe meet up with my daughter....and at that point he will be my son-in-law in Dallas.
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The Jake... Prog...has at least 20-25 years left.
it will be interesting in that time it could very well be a early-mid 90s type scenario again. Browns and Indians looking for new Stadiums. Absolutely nothing wrong with First energy it is as modern as any stadium out there.
Team's leases end well before that time.
We'll see how many years the Browns and Indians want to stay where they are, regardless of how many years we all think the stadiums have. If the Dolans sell the Indians, I'd almost guarantee the new owners will start clamoring for a new stadium, the same way the Haslams are slowly hinting that they want an upgrade over First Energy.
Team's leases end well before that time.
We'll see how many years the Browns and Indians want to stay where they are, regardless of how many years we all think the stadiums have. If the Dolans sell the Indians, I'd almost guarantee the new owners will start clamoring for a new stadium, the same way the Haslams are slowly hinting that they want an upgrade over First Energy.
With each ownership change in any sport or city come new questions.
Do the new owners pledge loyalty to the existing cities to get the team in the first place or are there "loftier goals" for the franchise ? Ad then there are attendance and profitability issues along with the other 31 owners in NFL Inc. all very wealthy business people who do have some say in moving franchises.
And the larger question: have the NFL Cleveland Browns v2.0 been a success or not and could they be moved when other issues like leases are settled. Scary thought.
The Cleveland Indians have been more successful in every decade since the 1990s and have an adequate remodeled and downsized stadium.
After all this isn't a movie like Major League now it it ? Or maybe a BROWNS remake ?
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Football indoors sucks, especially for Browns fans used to football being played in the mud and snow.
But financially there is nothing more idiotic than building an astronomically expensive building that gets used 12 or so times a year, especially when it sits on prime real estate.
Football indoors sucks, especially for Browns fans used to football being played in the mud and snow.
But financially there is nothing more idiotic than building an astronomically expensive building that gets used 12 or so times a year, especially when it sits on prime real estate.
I used to hate indoor football back when it was my dad's era of being a fan. Unfortunately, since it's become a passing league - here's what's been won in the Great Lakes regions while Cleveland never makes post seasons any more:
1 SB Championship in Chicago - although 85 was way before they made rules babying/favoring passers.
2 SB Championships in GB compared to how many they won in the 60s. The 1 SB they won with Aaron Rodgers as a Wild Card team that had to win 3 road games (inclusive of beating Atlanta in a dome) before beating the Cutler-less Bears in Chicago for the NFC Championship.
0 SBs in Detroit or as Lumberg used to call it "Detroilet"
0 Superbowls in Cleveland after being the last team to win the NFL Championship in 1964 before the name of it was changed to Superbowl the next year. If I'm off by a year Gipper will let me know...
0 Superbowl Ws for Minnesota
0 Superbowl Ws in Buffalo
0 Superbowl Ws for Cincy even though they're not on a Great Lake per say
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Football indoors sucks, especially for Browns fans used to football being played in the mud and snow.
But financially there is nothing more idiotic than building an astronomically expensive building that gets used 12 or so times a year, especially when it sits on prime real estate.
I used to hate indoor football back when it was my dad's era of being a fan. Unfortunately, since it's become a passing league - here's what's been won in the Great Lakes regions while Cleveland never makes post seasons any more:
1 SB Championship in Chicago - although 85 was way before they made rules babying/favoring passers.
2 SB Championships in GB compared to how many they won in the 60s. The 1 SB they won with Aaron Rodgers as a Wild Card team that had to win 3 road games (inclusive of beating Atlanta in a dome) before beating the Cutler-less Bears in Chicago for the NFC Championship.
0 SBs in Detroit or as Lumberg used to call it "Detroilet"
0 Superbowls in Cleveland after being the last team to win the NFL Championship in 1964 before the name of it was changed to Superbowl the next year. If I'm off by a year Gipper will let me know...
0 Superbowl Ws for Minnesota
0 Superbowl Ws in Buffalo
0 Superbowl Ws for Cincy even though they're not on a Great Lake per say
I used to hate indoor football back when it was my dad's era of being a fan. Unfortunately, since it's become a passing league - here's what's been won in the Great Lakes regions while Cleveland never makes post seasons any more:
1 SB Championship in Chicago - although 85 was way before they made rules babying/favoring passers.
2 SB Championships in GB compared to how many they won in the 60s. The 1 SB they won with Aaron Rodgers as a Wild Card team that had to win 3 road games (inclusive of beating Atlanta in a dome) before beating the Cutler-less Bears in Chicago for the NFC Championship.
0 SBs in Detroit or as Lumberg used to call it "Detroilet"
0 Superbowls in Cleveland after being the last team to win the NFL Championship in 1964 before the name of it was changed to Superbowl the next year. If I'm off by a year Gipper will let me know...
0 Superbowl Ws for Minnesota
0 Superbowl Ws in Buffalo
0 Superbowl Ws for Cincy even though they're not on a Great Lake per say
Interesting... Like I've said before, I prefer cold weather football outdoors.
But I also understand that the city of Cleveland is possibly missing out on a lot of events - events that for example cold weather cities like Indianapolis or Minneapolis get - because they don't have a retractable dome football stadium.
Plus, it's about time Cleveland does something with their lakefront.
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Football indoors sucks, especially for Browns fans used to football being played in the mud and snow.
But financially there is nothing more idiotic than building an astronomically expensive building that gets used 12 or so times a year, especially when it sits on prime real estate.
I used to hate indoor football back when it was my dad's era of being a fan. Unfortunately, since it's become a passing league - here's what's been won in the Great Lakes regions while Cleveland never makes post seasons any more:
1 SB Championship in Chicago - although 85 was way before they made rules babying/favoring passers.
2 SB Championships in GB compared to how many they won in the 60s. The 1 SB they won with Aaron Rodgers as a Wild Card team that had to win 3 road games (inclusive of beating Atlanta in a dome) before beating the Cutler-less Bears in Chicago for the NFC Championship.
0 SBs in Detroit or as Lumberg used to call it "Detroilet"
0 Superbowls in Cleveland after being the last team to win the NFL Championship in 1964 before the name of it was changed to Superbowl the next year. If I'm off by a year Gipper will let me know...
0 Superbowl Ws for Minnesota
0 Superbowl Ws in Buffalo
0 Superbowl Ws for Cincy even though they're not on a Great Lake per say
I used to hate indoor football back when it was my dad's era of being a fan. Unfortunately, since it's become a passing league - here's what's been won in the Great Lakes regions while Cleveland never makes post seasons any more:
1 SB Championship in Chicago - although 85 was way before they made rules babying/favoring passers.
2 SB Championships in GB compared to how many they won in the 60s. The 1 SB they won with Aaron Rodgers as a Wild Card team that had to win 3 road games (inclusive of beating Atlanta in a dome) before beating the Cutler-less Bears in Chicago for the NFC Championship.
0 SBs in Detroit or as Lumberg used to call it "Detroilet"
0 Superbowls in Cleveland after being the last team to win the NFL Championship in 1964 before the name of it was changed to Superbowl the next year. If I'm off by a year Gipper will let me know... apparently you knew that...or suspected it yourself, as yes, off by a year. Browns/Packers played last NFL title game in 1965, prior to the onset of the NFL/AFL Championship game....ltbka...The Super Bowl. Packers beat Cowboys in Dallas for the right to go to SB 1. That was not the "Ice Bowl"....that came a year later.
0 Superbowl Ws for Minnesota
0 Superbowl Ws in Buffalo
0 Superbowl Ws for Cincy even though they're not on a Great Lake per say.
See my "Curse of Lake Erie" thread.
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I used to hate indoor football back when it was my dad's era of being a fan. Unfortunately, since it's become a passing league - here's what's been won in the Great Lakes regions while Cleveland never makes post seasons any more:
1 SB Championship in Chicago - although 85 was way before they made rules babying/favoring passers.
2 SB Championships in GB compared to how many they won in the 60s. The 1 SB they won with Aaron Rodgers as a Wild Card team that had to win 3 road games (inclusive of beating Atlanta in a dome) before beating the Cutler-less Bears in Chicago for the NFC Championship.
0 SBs in Detroit or as Lumberg used to call it "Detroilet"
0 Superbowls in Cleveland after being the last team to win the NFL Championship in 1964 before the name of it was changed to Superbowl the next year. If I'm off by a year Gipper will let me know...
0 Superbowl Ws for Minnesota
0 Superbowl Ws in Buffalo
0 Superbowl Ws for Cincy even though they're not on a Great Lake per say
Interesting... Like I've said before, I prefer cold weather football outdoors.
But I also understand that the city of Cleveland is possibly missing out on a lot of events - events that for example cold weather cities like Indianapolis or Minneapolis get - because they don't have a retractable dome football stadium.
Plus, it's about time Cleveland does something with their lakefront.
Interesting... Like I've said before, I prefer cold weather football outdoors.
But I also understand that the city of Cleveland is possibly missing out on a lot of events - events that for example cold weather cities like Indianapolis or Minneapolis get - because they don't have a retractable dome football stadium.
Plus, it's about time Cleveland does something with their lakefront.
And those cities and teams are more the "my dad's or granddad's" favorite old teams very much like Cleveland. Somewhat similar to the B10 vs SEC in college.
They were great once upon a time.
This isn't the Bud Grant era of let's go out and freeze our butts off and play or watch a game. This newer generation wants comfy seats and wifi hookups.
Forward thinking time ?
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