Most underrated Browns in modern era
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Was Sipe very good? I'm a little young to know.
Total record not much different than Bernie just over .500 but was exciting to watch, Bernie had that one great year and a better overall team.
Yes they were exciting.
A closer look...... Games W/L Winning %
Quarterback Games started Wins Losses Ties Winning pct. Brian Sipe 112 57 55 0 .509 Bernie Kosar 105 53 51 1 .510 Frank Ryan 76 52 22 2 .697 Otto Graham 71 57 13 1 .810 Tim Couch 59 22 37 0 .373 Bill Nelsen 51 34 16 1 .676 Mike Phipps 51 24 25 2 .490 Milt Plum 51 33 16 2 .667 Derek Anderson 34 16 18 0 .471 Vinny Testaverde 31 16 15 0 .516 Baker Mayfield 29 12 17 0 .414 -
Was Sipe very good? I'm a little young to know.
Total record not much different than Bernie just over .500 but was exciting to watch, Bernie had that one great year and a better overall team.
Yes they were exciting.
A closer look...... Games W/L Winning %
Quarterback Games started Wins Losses Ties Winning pct. Brian Sipe 112 57 55 0 .509 Bernie Kosar 105 53 51 1 .510 Frank Ryan 76 52 22 2 .697 Otto Graham 71 57 13 1 .810 Tim Couch 59 22 37 0 .373 Bill Nelsen 51 34 16 1 .676 Mike Phipps 51 24 25 2 .490 Milt Plum 51 33 16 2 .667 Derek Anderson 34 16 18 0 .471 Vinny Testaverde 31 16 15 0 .516 Baker Mayfield 29 12 17 0 .414 Total record not much different than Bernie just over .500 but was exciting to watch, Bernie had that one great year and a better overall team.
Yes they were exciting.
A closer look...... Games W/L Winning %
Quarterback Games started Wins Losses Ties Winning pct. Brian Sipe 112 57 55 0 .509 Bernie Kosar 105 53 51 1 .510 Frank Ryan 76 52 22 2 .697 Otto Graham 71 57 13 1 .810 Tim Couch 59 22 37 0 .373 Bill Nelsen 51 34 16 1 .676 Mike Phipps 51 24 25 2 .490 Milt Plum 51 33 16 2 .667 Derek Anderson 34 16 18 0 .471 Vinny Testaverde 31 16 15 0 .516 Baker Mayfield 29 12 17 0 .414 Note.....the number you have for Otto Graham only includes the 6 years after the Browns joined the NFL.
He started 43 other games for the Browns for the AAFC. Not sure of his record in those games, ...but I do know that in 1948 he started 14 and won every single one of them. So that brings his win total to 61.
In 1946 he started 9 of 14 games for a team that went 12-2. 1947 he started 9 of 14 games for a team that went 12-1-1. In 1949 he started 11 of 12 for a team that went 9-1-2. So, 29 more starts. At MOST he could have lost 4 of those starts. So, even if he did, he would have been 25-4....or 22-4-3. Not sure why they don't specify.
So he could have been: 57 + 14 + 25 = 96 wins, or at least 93 wins. And the most losses he could have had were 17 losses. (and I bet that the other QB...Cliff Lewis, who started some Browns games was the QB for some of those 4 losses.).
OGs WORST record then could have been : 93-17-4. ...or an .845 win pct. And it could have been a bit better. Even up to about an .880 win pct.
In fact...I am going to make QB win pct. the subject of my next trivia.
Even more puzzling is: Why would Paul Brown start a guy named Cliff Lewis for 5 games in 1946 and 1947...when he had Otts Freeking Graham playing QB for him? (I am not certain that those were injury situations)
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Found this note:
Graham also started 53 games for the Cleveland Browns when they were in the All-America Football Conference (1946–1949). He finished his professional career (AAFC and NFL) with a 105–17–4 regular-season record (.861).
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Big Daddy Carl Hairston came over in his 30's and gave us many good years still
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Just to finish out the list the 13 BROWNS quarterbacks below Mayfield to 10 games started is listed below. The BROWNS also had an incredible 33 quarterbacks who had from 8 to 1 starts many in the 1999 plus era, explains a lot. There were 6 with 8 starts and 8 with only 1 start.
Paul McDonald 21 8 13 0 .381 Colt McCoy 21 6 15 0 .286 Brandon Weeden 20 5 15 0 .250 Charlie Frye 19 6 13 0 .316 Brian Hoyer 16 10 6 0 .625 DeShone Kizer 15 0 15 0 .000 Tommy O'Connell 14 10 3 1 .750 Kelly Holcomb 12 4 8 0 .333 Brady Quinn 12 3 9 0 .250 Jim Ninowski 11 5 6 0 .455 Trent Dilfer 11 4 7 0 .364 Josh McCown 11 1 10 0 .091 Jeff Garcia 10 3 7 0 .300 -
This is a great topic Icecube.
Good mentions so far. Let me add a few:
Defense-Felix Wright, Walter Johnson (played with Jerry Sherk), Mike Johnson, Thom Darden , & Clarence Scott
Offense- Vinny Testaverde, Calvin Hill (both were "short timers" but made a impact), Kevin Johnson, Mike Baab
Special Teams- Matt Bahr, Gerald McNeil. I'm assuming Dawson, Cribbs, & Metcalf aren't under rated.
Kevin Johnson
That's the receiver we drafted with Couch, right? He sucked. IMO - Jerry Rice wanted Kevin to work out with him and said he'd give him advice and pointers....and Johnson declined saying he didn't need his pointers. - One time, on 3rd down, he went down and caught a low pass for 1st down yardage, and then proceeded to roll backwards so as to avoid a hit...by the time he got tagged down he had lost the 1st down, we had to punt, and Butch Davis took him out of the game and he never played again. I'll never forget that play. He musta' rolled backwards 2 or 3 yards. I was like, "You fucin' coward!"
Sorry to pick on that one Bob806. I like your other choices though.
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Mike Johnson was a really good LBer. Tom Cousineau was good too. And Eddie Johnson.
Chris Berman use to call him Kevin MMMMMMMMMack! A really powerful runner who could catch.
Webster Slaughter was supposed to block the guy that stripped the ball from Byner on The Fumble. Instead, he stood there like a statue and WATCHED the play like he had a front row seat.
Greg Pruitt was great....but Mike Pruitt was quite good...and a powerful runner. I really liked him.
Steve Heiden was a pretty good TE. Michael He-He Jackson was a pretty good receiver. Michael Dean Perry was a good DLineman. He got some credit, but maybe he deserved more.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Mike Johnson was a really good LBer. Tom Cousineau was good too. And Eddie Johnson.
Chris Berman use to call him Kevin MMMMMMMMMack! A really powerful runner who could catch.
Webster Slaughter was supposed to block the guy that stripped the ball from Byner on The Fumble. Instead, he stood there like a statue and WATCHED the play like he had a front row seat.
Greg Pruitt was great....but Mike Pruitt was quite good...and a powerful runner. I really liked him.
Steve Heiden was a pretty good TE. Michael He-He Jackson was a pretty good receiver. Michael Dean Perry was a good DLineman. He got some credit, but maybe he deserved more.
Mike Johnson was a really good LBer. Tom Cousineau was good too. And Eddie Johnson.
Chris Berman use to call him Kevin MMMMMMMMMack! A really powerful runner who could catch.
Webster Slaughter was supposed to block the guy that stripped the ball from Byner on The Fumble. Instead, he stood there like a statue and WATCHED the play like he had a front row seat.
Greg Pruitt was great....but Mike Pruitt was quite good...and a powerful runner. I really liked him.
Steve Heiden was a pretty good TE. Michael He-He Jackson was a pretty good receiver. Michael Dean Perry was a good DLineman. He got some credit, but maybe he deserved more.
Mike Jackson was pretty damn good. 6-4 and fast.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackMi00.htm
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I thought Tom Cousineau was a bust?
I thought Tom Cousineau was a bust?
Pretty much, yes.
Or, maybe he was OK....but just not up to #1 overall status.
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I thought Tom Cousineau was a bust?
I thought Tom Cousineau was a bust?
Right up there with Joe Charbenau. But neat last names.
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I thought Tom Cousineau was a bust?
Right up there with Joe Charbenau. But neat last names.
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So the "modern era" started in the 30's???
Greg Pruitt the king of the tear away jersey
That would be Earl Campbell. Bonus in video below is the Isaiah Robertson collision.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000149543/Earl-Campbell-s-jersey-ripped-off
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Just to finish out the list the 13 BROWNS quarterbacks below Mayfield to 10 games started is listed below. The BROWNS also had an incredible 33 quarterbacks who had from 8 to 1 starts many in the 1999 plus era, explains a lot. There were 6 with 8 starts and 8 with only 1 start.
Paul McDonald 21 8 13 0 .381 Colt McCoy 21 6 15 0 .286 Brandon Weeden 20 5 15 0 .250 Charlie Frye 19 6 13 0 .316 Brian Hoyer 16 10 6 0 .625 DeShone Kizer 15 0 15 0 .000 Tommy O'Connell 14 10 3 1 .750 Kelly Holcomb 12 4 8 0 .333 Brady Quinn 12 3 9 0 .250 Jim Ninowski 11 5 6 0 .455 Trent Dilfer 11 4 7 0 .364 Josh McCown 11 1 10 0 .091 Jeff Garcia 10 3 7 0 .300 Just to finish out the list the 13 BROWNS quarterbacks below Mayfield to 10 games started is listed below. The BROWNS also had an incredible 33 quarterbacks who had from 8 to 1 starts many in the 1999 plus era, explains a lot. There were 6 with 8 starts and 8 with only 1 start.
Paul McDonald 21 8 13 0 .381 Colt McCoy 21 6 15 0 .286 Brandon Weeden 20 5 15 0 .250 Charlie Frye 19 6 13 0 .316 Brian Hoyer 16 10 6 0 .625 DeShone Kizer 15 0 15 0 .000 Tommy O'Connell 14 10 3 1 .750 Kelly Holcomb 12 4 8 0 .333 Brady Quinn 12 3 9 0 .250 Jim Ninowski 11 5 6 0 .455 Trent Dilfer 11 4 7 0 .364 Josh McCown 11 1 10 0 .091 Jeff Garcia 10 3 7 0 .300 That is one painful list to look at.
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Just to finish out the list the 13 BROWNS quarterbacks below Mayfield to 10 games started is listed below. The BROWNS also had an incredible 33 quarterbacks who had from 8 to 1 starts many in the 1999 plus era, explains a lot. There were 6 with 8 starts and 8 with only 1 start.
Paul McDonald 21 8 13 0 .381 Colt McCoy 21 6 15 0 .286 Brandon Weeden 20 5 15 0 .250 Charlie Frye 19 6 13 0 .316 Brian Hoyer 16 10 6 0 .625 DeShone Kizer 15 0 15 0 .000 Tommy O'Connell 14 10 3 1 .750 Kelly Holcomb 12 4 8 0 .333 Brady Quinn 12 3 9 0 .250 Jim Ninowski 11 5 6 0 .455 Trent Dilfer 11 4 7 0 .364 Josh McCown 11 1 10 0 .091 Jeff Garcia 10 3 7 0 .300 That is one painful list to look at.
Nor is Burreau...or is that Burreaux.
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