The GOAT is Leaving New England... And Going to Tampa
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You have to put teams in their place.
Isn't that what Gorka did?
Gip, you harp on "recency bias" in others. Aren't you practicing "relativity bias"? Totally appropriate for eras... not so much for "all-time".
Isn't that what Gorka did?
No, it isn't. He went beyond that by far.
Gip, you harp on "recency bias" in others. Aren't you practicing "relativity bias"? Totally appropriate for eras... not so much for "all-time".
So, you want to have your cake and eat it too?
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I bet there wasn't a player on that Steeler team over 275 lbs.
I used to play a PC game named NFL Head Coach. During breaks when it was loading a different segment of the game it used images including quotes from the great HCs of the past.
One fav of mine was Chuck Nolls'...
"Some coaches pray for wisdom. I pray for 275-pound Tackles. They'll make me seem wise."
I used to play a PC game named NFL Head Coach. During breaks when it was loading a different segment of the game it used images including quotes from the great HCs of the past.
One fav of mine was Chuck Nolls'...
"Some coaches pray for wisdom. I pray for 275-pound Tackles. They'll make me seem wise."
Good one from Noll...he himself a 220lb starting guard for the Browns.
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Hey Gipper, I'm almost positive this team, The Akron Pros, could not compete with...
...this team, the 1933 NFL Champs Bears, who could not compete with...
...this team, the 64 Browns, who could not compete with...
...this team, the 78 Steelers, who could not compete with ….
this team, the 2017 Browns.
But that's just my opinion.lol
I bet there wasn't a player on that Steeler team over 275 lbs.
Again, just the recency bias. You have to put teams in their place.
By your point of view, no team from a decade ago even could compete with a team from 2020.
Again, just the recency bias. You have to put teams in their place.
Where is the disconnect here? I just did put them in their place. In their era these teams were the best, the same goes for individual star players.
As the decades pass, the players get bigger, faster, and stronger... and more talented.
HOF'er Gene Hickerson, a 248lb guard was hellava player...and I am putting him in his place when I say he would get tossed around like a ragdoll today.
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Again, just the recency bias. You have to put teams in their place.
Where is the disconnect here? I just did put them in their place. In their era these teams were the best, the same goes for individual star players.
As the decades pass, the players get bigger, faster, and stronger... and more talented.
HOF'er Gene Hickerson, a 248lb guard was hellava player...and I am putting him in his place when I say he would get tossed around like a ragdoll today.
Where is the disconnect here? I just did put them in their place. In their era these teams were the best, the same goes for individual star players.
As the decades pass, the players get bigger, faster, and stronger... and more talented.
HOF'er Gene Hickerson, a 248lb guard was hellava player...and I am putting him in his place when I say he would get tossed around like a ragdoll today.
The disconnect is this: what you don't get is that if he played today, Gene Hickerson would receive the same training, nutrition, etc. that today's players do. He probably WOULD have weighed 300 LBs.
Again, the only players that have gotten bigger are OL and DL. (and we do not really know if in fact they are faster and stronger, as those things were not really measured in the old days.)
But my issue with you is re: Jim Brown.
Jim Brown was bigger, faster, and stronger than the RBs that ARE playing TODAY. He would have been, likely, by far the best runner in the game today.
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"GOT 13?" from Northeast Ohio football fans?
LOL. The only problem is that no one cares.
...btw you were supposed to put a question mark after GOT 23.
Now "Got 16?" I have a much higher regard for because at least the Packers won NFL Championships.
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"GOT 13?" from Northeast Ohio football fans?
LOL. The only problem is that no one cares.
...btw you were supposed to put a question mark after GOT 23.
Now "Got 16?" I have a much higher regard for because at least the Packers won NFL Championships.
LOL. The only problem is that no one cares.
...btw you were supposed to put a question mark after GOT 23.
Now "Got 16?" I have a much higher regard for because at least the Packers won NFL Championships.
OK, I will clarify it for you: Teams from the Greater Cleveland area, Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships.
Maybe, apparently you did not comprehend that. But that is what I was talking about.
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So, you want to have your cake and eat it too?
I do like cake, but it won't help me decode this cryptic reply to a straightforward question...
Care to try again, Louie?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Wait... now Otto won 13 championships?
Was there even Pop Warner in the 30's?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So, you want to have your cake and eat it too?
I do like cake, but it won't help me decode this cryptic reply to a straightforward question...
Care to try again, Louie?
I do like cake, but it won't help me decode this cryptic reply to a straightforward question...
Care to try again, Louie?
That something would go over your head is not unsurprising. The point is that if I say something is black, you will say it is white, but if I say it is white, you will say it is black. So, instead of having your cake and eating it too, or eating your cake and having it too, (which is how they caught the Unabomber), why don't you just eat me, Alice.
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Wait... now Otto won 13 championships?
Was there even Pop Warner in the 30's?
Is English your third or 4th language? What was it about this that you failed to comprehend:
Teams from the Greater Cleveland area, Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships.
Let me know what language you want that translated to, and I will try to oblige.
For starters, here is the French:
Des équipes du nord-est de l'Ohio ont remporté treize championnats de football professionnel -
I do like cake, but it won't help me decode this cryptic reply to a straightforward question...
Care to try again, Louie?
That something would go over your head is not unsurprising. The point is that if I say something is black, you will say it is white, but if I say it is white, you will say it is black. So, instead of having your cake and eating it too, or eating your cake and having it too, (which is how they caught the Unabomber), why don't you just eat me, Alice.
That something would go over your head is not unsurprising. The point is that if I say something is black, you will say it is white, but if I say it is white, you will say it is black. So, instead of having your cake and eating it too, or eating your cake and having it too, (which is how they caught the Unabomber), why don't you just eat me, Alice.
Oh well.... we had a good 24 hours there...
So now back to the wars..
What an ass... completely incapable of self-examination...
And as I've said before, you would never talk that way to my face.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Where is the disconnect here? I just did put them in their place. In their era these teams were the best, the same goes for individual star players.
As the decades pass, the players get bigger, faster, and stronger... and more talented.
HOF'er Gene Hickerson, a 248lb guard was hellava player...and I am putting him in his place when I say he would get tossed around like a ragdoll today.
The disconnect is this: what you don't get is that if he played today, Gene Hickerson would receive the same training, nutrition, etc. that today's players do. He probably WOULD have weighed 300 LBs.
Again, the only players that have gotten bigger are OL and DL. (and we do not really know if in fact they are faster and stronger, as those things were not really measured in the old days.)
But my issue with you is re: Jim Brown.
Jim Brown was bigger, faster, and stronger than the RBs that ARE playing TODAY. He would have been, likely, by far the best runner in the game today.
The disconnect is this: what you don't get is that if he played today, Gene Hickerson would receive the same training, nutrition, etc. that today's players do. He probably WOULD have weighed 300 LBs.
Lol...which at 300lbs. would still make him the smallest guard in the NFL.
But to your point...humbug. Nutrition, training, supplements, all that shit is only there to help fine tune todays athlete who already possess the God given size, speed, and talent far superior to the old timers. Lebron James didn't happen because of nutrition but because of genetics. He probably grew up eating Swensons fast food burgers down there in Akron. Its genetics man.
You're not gonna tell me that nutrition would have turned Hickerson into the guy on the right.
Hall of Famer Wilbur “Pete” Henry, aka “Fats,” was one of the NFL’s largest and most dominant linemen in the 1920s at 5 feet 11 inches and 245 pounds, but would be dwarfed by present-day players such as 6 foot 5 inch, 330-pound Oakland guard Kelechi Osemele. (Pro Football Hall of Fame) (AP Photo/Paul Spinelli)
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LOL. The only problem is that no one cares.
...btw you were supposed to put a question mark after GOT 23.
Now "Got 16?" I have a much higher regard for because at least the Packers won NFL Championships.
OK, I will clarify it for you: Teams from the Greater Cleveland area, Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships.
Maybe, apparently you did not comprehend that. But that is what I was talking about.
OK, I will clarify it for you: Teams from the Greater Cleveland area, Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships.
Maybe, apparently you did not comprehend that. But that is what I was talking about.
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended (by you) was that no one cares.
You will never comprehend why no one cares will you? LOL
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OK, I will clarify it for you: Teams from the Greater Cleveland area, Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships.
Maybe, apparently you did not comprehend that. But that is what I was talking about.
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended (by you) was that no one cares.
You will never comprehend why no one cares will you? LOL
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended was that no one cares.
Or that they seized the opportunity to ridicule...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
That something would go over your head is not unsurprising. The point is that if I say something is black, you will say it is white, but if I say it is white, you will say it is black. So, instead of having your cake and eating it too, or eating your cake and having it too, (which is how they caught the Unabomber), why don't you just eat me, Alice.
Oh well.... we had a good 24 hours there...
So now back to the wars..
What an ass... completely incapable of self-examination...
And as I've said before, you would never talk that way to my face.
Oh well.... we had a good 24 hours there...
So now back to the wars..
What an ass... completely incapable of self-examination...
And as I've said before, you would never talk that way to my face.
Neither would you to mine. And you are probably right. I would want to talk football, just like I do here. But all I get in response is passive-aggressive condescension.
So, maybe you can do some self examination and work on THAT.
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The disconnect is this: what you don't get is that if he played today, Gene Hickerson would receive the same training, nutrition, etc. that today's players do. He probably WOULD have weighed 300 LBs.
Lol...which at 300lbs. would still make him the smallest guard in the NFL.
But to your point...humbug. Nutrition, training, supplements, all that shit is only there to help fine tune todays athlete who already possess the God given size, speed, and talent far superior to the old timers. Lebron James didn't happen because of nutrition but because of genetics. He probably grew up eating Swensons fast food burgers down there in Akron. Its genetics man.
You're not gonna tell me that nutrition would have turned Hickerson into the guy on the right.
Hall of Famer Wilbur “Pete” Henry, aka “Fats,” was one of the NFL’s largest and most dominant linemen in the 1920s at 5 feet 11 inches and 245 pounds, but would be dwarfed by present-day players such as 6 foot 5 inch, 330-pound Oakland guard Kelechi Osemele. (Pro Football Hall of Fame) (AP Photo/Paul Spinelli)
Lol...which at 300lbs. would still make him the smallest guard in the NFL.
But to your point...humbug. Nutrition, training, supplements, all that shit is only there to help fine tune todays athlete who already possess the God given size, speed, and talent far superior to the old timers. Lebron James didn't happen because of nutrition but because of genetics. He probably grew up eating Swensons fast food burgers down there in Akron. Its genetics man.
You're not gonna tell me that nutrition would have turned Hickerson into the guy on the right.
Hall of Famer Wilbur “Pete” Henry, aka “Fats,” was one of the NFL’s largest and most dominant linemen in the 1920s at 5 feet 11 inches and 245 pounds, but would be dwarfed by present-day players such as 6 foot 5 inch, 330-pound Oakland guard Kelechi Osemele. (Pro Football Hall of Fame) (AP Photo/Paul Spinelli)
So? You are saying it is pure evolutionary genetics? Or do you think it is eugenics....which is something I think you probably would be in favor of.
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In the history of RBs, Kareem Hunt has no equals. Pay the man.
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OK, I will clarify it for you: Teams from the Greater Cleveland area, Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships.
Maybe, apparently you did not comprehend that. But that is what I was talking about.
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended (by you) was that no one cares.
You will never comprehend why no one cares will you? LOL
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended (by you) was that no one cares.
You will never comprehend why no one cares will you? LOL
I comprehend it fully.....It is called intellectual laziness and narcissism. You only care about what may have affected you. Or in another word: PittsburghSteelerese. "Nothing ever happened before I was conscious enough to remember it"
It does not change the facts, or the truth....whether you care about it or not. Like I said to you before in some of this: To some here, Bernie Kosar and Brian Sipe, and those titles won by the Steelers back in the 70s are as much ancient history as maybe Otto Graham, or Fritz Pollard are to the rest of us. Don't mean they didn't exist.
And I don't know if have been around here long enough to recall this mantra I had repeated often: " The ONLY Championships that matter are the last one and the next one. The rest are all just history, from the 1920 Akron Pros, to the 2018 New England Patriots. No difference at all between them. They are just now entries in a history tome.
So, I mean, my point is: I care as much about the one (1920) as I do the other (2018). That one happened during my particular conscious existence is neither here nor there in the scheme of things.
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Or that they seized the opportunity to ridicule...
It's Super Bowl envy. "Oh yeah, but we won 4 AAFC shit Titles plus 4 NFL Titles, plus some other football related shit, so there!"
I just appreciate the fact that such rubbish is not the mindset of normal Browns fans.
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