Browns sign safety Andrew Sandejo
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Yeah the A’s notorious for this. They can’t afford to be locked down to underperforming contracts because they are a small market team.
Like this for the Browns. Gives them the opportunity to not overreach for need in the draft and take BPA. Also, they can possibly strike gold on a player or two. It seems this off-season they have been taking underperforming former high round picks.
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Yeah the A’s notorious for this. They can’t afford to be locked down to underperforming contracts because they are a small market team.
Like this for the Browns. Gives them the opportunity to not overreach for need in the draft and take BPA. Also, they can possibly strike gold on a player or two. It seems this off-season they have been taking underperforming former high round picks.
Yeah the A’s notorious for this. They can’t afford to be locked down to underperforming contracts because they are a small market team.
Like this for the Browns. Gives them the opportunity to not overreach for need in the draft and take BPA. Also, they can possibly strike gold on a player or two. It seems this off-season they have been taking underperforming former high round picks.
And, if they don't work out: Sayonara.
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Well...I said that we were going to need at least 2-3 safeties....and we got 2 now, right?
And what IS the status of Randall?
Did he sign somewhere?
Well...I said that we were going to need at least 2-3 safeties....and we got 2 now, right?
At least 2 suffices as 3>2...
Maybe its a "Moneyball" thing.
Isn't that what the A's did with baseball players? Get a lot of guys on 1 year prove it deals?
No...
Moneyball used Bill James' analytics to ID under-valued players. Then they locked those players up for as long as was reasonable considering their age. They believed in their system enough to commit to multi-year deal believing the odds were that most they signed were going to succeed. They knew that when they were right that the player's would succeed to the point that they would be unaffordable when it came time to renew their contract.
Helps, if you read the book...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well...I said that we were going to need at least 2-3 safeties....and we got 2 now, right?
At least 2 suffices as 3>2...
Maybe its a "Moneyball" thing.
Isn't that what the A's did with baseball players? Get a lot of guys on 1 year prove it deals?
No...
Moneyball used Bill James' analytics to ID under-valued players. Then they locked those players up for as long as was reasonable considering their age. They believed in their system enough to commit to multi-year deal believing the odds were that most they signed were going to succeed. They knew that when they were right that the player's would succeed to the point that they would be unaffordable when it came time to renew their contract.
Helps, if you read the book...
At least 2 suffices as 3>2...
No...
Moneyball used Bill James' analytics to ID under-valued players. Then they locked those players up for as long as was reasonable considering their age. They believed in their system enough to commit to multi-year deal believing the odds were that most they signed were going to succeed. They new that when they were right that the player's would succeed to the point that they would be unaffordable when it came time to renew their contract.
Helps, if you read the book...
I didn't read it. Just saw the movie. It is why I asked the question. But it does sound at least partial Moneyball. It seems, maybe, that these guys signed to one year deals are those that their analytics identify as under-valued players? For whatever reason then, with these guys, they varied from it by only going with one year deals. They didn't do the same with Hooper, Keenum, Conklin though. Was it because they were NOT viewed as "Under-valued" players?
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Well...I said that we were going to need at least 2-3 safeties....and we got 2 now, right?
And what IS the status of Randall?
Did he sign somewhere?
Well...I said that we were going to need at least 2-3 safeties....and we got 2 now, right?
And what IS the status of Randall?
Did he sign somewhere?
After this past year I'll personally pack Randall's bags out of town.
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Sendejo rhymes with , "Pendejo".. I like it... good signing..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
So many holes being filled. Before the draft. This is nice. Welcome to Cleveland, Sendejo!
Are these safety signings a sign of
“build it and they will come.” ?
Do these guys see an opportunity for a bigger contract by coming here?
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Sendejo rhymes with , "Pendejo".. I like it... good signing..
Asshole!!
No, I wasn't calling you that nick....just interpreting!!
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So many holes being filled. Before the draft. This is nice. Welcome to Cleveland, Sendejo!
Are these safety signings a sign of
“build it and they will come.” ?
Do these guys see an opportunity for a bigger contract by coming here?
Do these guys see an opportunity for a bigger contract by coming here?
Your take seems right to me...
I'd guess ours was the best offer they saw, and they we're willing to bet on themselves and use us to springboard to the big bucks in another round of FA in 2021.
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Asshole!!
No, I wasn't calling you that nick....just interpreting!!
I know your Honor...?.. All good.. And stay safe.. We all need to pull together and eradicate this COVID-19 ..
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I'd forgotten Sandejo was a Rice grad... For a long time Rice was good to produce a Pro per class... at least on average... but it's been while. Covington was the last and that's been a few years ago. Still... pretty good for a smallish school with very high academic standards.
I did not realize Andrew was as old as he is, so this time we've added an old injury history. He's not posted a complete season since he became a full-time starter in 2015. Prior to that he was part-time starter.
He will definitely increase the brain power in the DB room... but...
Sendejo has been primarily a SS, just like Joseph... so Andrew moves to FS where he's had a handful of starts all of which were on years-younger legs?
Darren?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'd forgotten Sandejo was a Rice grad... For a long time Rice was good to produce a Pro per class... at least on average... but it's been while. Covington was the last and that's been a few years ago. Still... pretty good for a smallish school with very high academic standards.
I did not realize Andrew was as old as he is, so this time we've added an old injury history. He's not posted a complete season since he became a full-time starter in 2015. Prior to that he was part-time starter.
He will definitely increase the brain power in the DB room... but...
Sendejo has been primarily a SS, just like Joseph... so Andrew moves to FS where he's had a handful of starts all of which were on years-younger legs?
Darren?
I'd forgotten Sandejo was a Rice grad... For a long time Rice was good to produce a Pro per class... at least on average... but it's been while. Covington was the last and that's been a few years ago. Still... pretty good for a smallish school with very high academic standards.
I did not realize Andrew was as old as he is, so this time we've added an old injury history. He's not posted a complete season since he became a full-time starter in 2015. Prior to that he was part-time starter.
He will definitely increase the brain power in the DB room... but...
Sendejo has been primarily a SS, just like Joseph... so Andrew moves to FS where he's had a handful of starts all of which were on years-younger legs?
Darren?
A rice grad .....does he have an Uncle Ben ?
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Boo...
So where do you see Sandejo playing?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Sendejo rhymes with , "Pendejo".. I like it... good signing..
And cheap rhymes with keep. Hey ain't my cuddin also said "YOU LIKE THAT!"
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At least 2 suffices as 3>2...
No...
Moneyball used Bill James' analytics to ID under-valued players. Then they locked those players up for as long as was reasonable considering their age. They believed in their system enough to commit to multi-year deal believing the odds were that most they signed were going to succeed. They new that when they were right that the player's would succeed to the point that they would be unaffordable when it came time to renew their contract.
Helps, if you read the book...
I didn't read it. Just saw the movie. It is why I asked the question. But it does sound at least partial Moneyball. It seems, maybe, that these guys signed to one year deals are those that their analytics identify as under-valued players? For whatever reason then, with these guys, they varied from it by only going with one year deals. They didn't do the same with Hooper, Keenum, Conklin though. Was it because they were NOT viewed as "Under-valued" players?
I didn't read it. Just saw the movie. It is why I asked the question. But it does sound at least partial Moneyball. It seems, maybe, that these guys signed to one year deals are those that their analytics identify as under-valued players? For whatever reason then, with these guys, they varied from it by only going with one year deals. They didn't do the same with Hooper, Keenum, Conklin though. Was it because they were NOT viewed as "Under-valued" players?
Don't overthink it. Bare cupboards lead to grocery list leads to how much can I buy (also bearing in mind there's 31 other teams shopping). Or, you can apply the rules of grocery shopping during Corona Virus era principles. While one is overthinking - someone else is buying the toilet paper he needs. In other words, know what you want and make it happen. Let's not turn this into a 10 page back and forth debate about Money Ball.
We know that not all of these guys will work which is why they're getting a 1 year contract. Having said that, vets can be valuable at helping younger players with preparation on the practice field and in the film room if you get the right guys not to be confused with the Kenny Britts and Dwayne Bowes. And, if some of these guys have better luck with injuries - they can be very helpful on game day. The 1st year we signed Robinson, who woulda thought he'd be the LT protecting the blind side of a rookie QB breaking the rookie record for TD passes? We also had a rookie RB averaging over 5 yards a carry... As we saw, Robinson wasn't a long term solution - but for 1 season the panic about life after Joe Thomas subsided. Now we have a chance to draft a LT at #10 overall.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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I didn't read it. Just saw the movie. It is why I asked the question. But it does sound at least partial Moneyball. It seems, maybe, that these guys signed to one year deals are those that their analytics identify as under-valued players? For whatever reason then, with these guys, they varied from it by only going with one year deals. They didn't do the same with Hooper, Keenum, Conklin though. Was it because they were NOT viewed as "Under-valued" players?
Don't overthink it. Bare cupboards lead to grocery list leads to how much can I buy (also bearing in mind there's 31 other teams shopping). Or, you can apply the rules of grocery shopping during Corona Virus era principles. While one is overthinking - someone else is buying the toilet paper he needs. In other words, know what you want and make it happen. Let's not turn this into a 10 page back and forth debate about Money Ball.
We know that not all of these guys will work which is why they're getting a 1 year contract. Having said that, vets can be valuable at helping younger players with preparation on the practice field and in the film room if you get the right guys not to be confused with the Kenny Britts and Dwayne Bowes. And, if some of these guys have better luck with injuries - they can be very helpful on game day. The 1st year we signed Robinson, who woulda thought he'd be the LT protecting the blind side of a rookie QB breaking the rookie record for TD passes? We also had a rookie RB averaging over 5 yards a carry... As we saw, Robinson wasn't a long term solution - but for 1 season the panic about life after Joe Thomas subsided. Now we have a chance to draft a LT at #10 overall.
Don't overthink it. Bare cupboards lead to grocery list leads to how much can I buy (also bearing in mind there's 31 other teams shopping). Or, you can apply the rules of grocery shopping during Corona Virus era principles. While one is overthinking - someone else is buying the toilet paper he needs. In other words, know what you want and make it happen. Let's not turn this into a 10 page back and forth debate about Money Ball.
We know that not all of these guys will work which is why they're getting a 1 year contract. Having said that, vets can be valuable at helping younger players with preparation on the practice field and in the film room if you get the right guys not to be confused with the Kenny Britts and Dwayne Bowes. And, if some of these guys have better luck with injuries - they can be very helpful on game day. The 1st year we signed Robinson, who woulda thought he'd be the LT protecting the blind side of a rookie QB breaking the rookie record for TD passes? We also had a rookie RB averaging over 5 yards a carry... As we saw, Robinson wasn't a long term solution - but for 1 season the panic about life after Joe Thomas subsided. Now we have a chance to draft a LT at #10 overall.
But, isn't what you have said here essentially the essence of Moneyball? So, OK, I didn't read the book (maybe I should)...but, isn't it the whole idea of "buying" a player on the cheap in hopes that that player can either be or return to being a productive player he once was. Basically, squeezing the best out of these guys that they can give.....and if it doesn't work, you didn't spend a lot, and if it does, you get a decent, if limited return on your minimal investment? And that sort of worked with Robinson, for a year.
That is just my impression about what Moneyball is, sorta. But if you experts out there in the concept think otherwise, by all means, advise us.
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Don't overthink it. Bare cupboards lead to grocery list leads to how much can I buy (also bearing in mind there's 31 other teams shopping). Or, you can apply the rules of grocery shopping during Corona Virus era principles. While one is overthinking - someone else is buying the toilet paper he needs. In other words, know what you want and make it happen. Let's not turn this into a 10 page back and forth debate about Money Ball.
We know that not all of these guys will work which is why they're getting a 1 year contract. Having said that, vets can be valuable at helping younger players with preparation on the practice field and in the film room if you get the right guys not to be confused with the Kenny Britts and Dwayne Bowes. And, if some of these guys have better luck with injuries - they can be very helpful on game day. The 1st year we signed Robinson, who woulda thought he'd be the LT protecting the blind side of a rookie QB breaking the rookie record for TD passes? We also had a rookie RB averaging over 5 yards a carry... As we saw, Robinson wasn't a long term solution - but for 1 season the panic about life after Joe Thomas subsided. Now we have a chance to draft a LT at #10 overall.
But, isn't what you have said here essentially the essence of Moneyball? So, OK, I didn't read the book (maybe I should)...but, isn't it the whole idea of "buying" a player on the cheap in hopes that that player can either be or return to being a productive player he once was. Basically, squeezing the best out of these guys that they can give.....and if it doesn't work, you didn't spend a lot, and if it does, you get a decent, if limited return on your minimal investment? And that sort of worked with Robinson, for a year.
That is just my impression about what Moneyball is, sorta. But if you experts out there in the concept think otherwise, by all means, advise us.
That is just my impression about what Moneyball is, sorta. But if you experts out there in the concept think otherwise, by all means, advise us.
Back in the day moneyball was bargaining a $15 lay down to $10.?
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Don't overthink it. Bare cupboards lead to grocery list leads to how much can I buy (also bearing in mind there's 31 other teams shopping). Or, you can apply the rules of grocery shopping during Corona Virus era principles. While one is overthinking - someone else is buying the toilet paper he needs. In other words, know what you want and make it happen. Let's not turn this into a 10 page back and forth debate about Money Ball.
We know that not all of these guys will work which is why they're getting a 1 year contract. Having said that, vets can be valuable at helping younger players with preparation on the practice field and in the film room if you get the right guys not to be confused with the Kenny Britts and Dwayne Bowes. And, if some of these guys have better luck with injuries - they can be very helpful on game day. The 1st year we signed Robinson, who woulda thought he'd be the LT protecting the blind side of a rookie QB breaking the rookie record for TD passes? We also had a rookie RB averaging over 5 yards a carry... As we saw, Robinson wasn't a long term solution - but for 1 season the panic about life after Joe Thomas subsided. Now we have a chance to draft a LT at #10 overall.
But, isn't what you have said here essentially the essence of Moneyball? So, OK, I didn't read the book (maybe I should)...but, isn't it the whole idea of "buying" a player on the cheap in hopes that that player can either be or return to being a productive player he once was. Basically, squeezing the best out of these guys that they can give.....and if it doesn't work, you didn't spend a lot, and if it does, you get a decent, if limited return on your minimal investment? And that sort of worked with Robinson, for a year.
That is just my impression about what Moneyball is, sorta. But if you experts out there in the concept think otherwise, by all means, advise us.
But, isn't what you have said here essentially the essence of Moneyball? So, OK, I didn't read the book (maybe I should)...but, isn't it the whole idea of "buying" a player on the cheap in hopes that that player can either be or return to being a productive player he once was. Basically, squeezing the best out of these guys that they can give.....and if it doesn't work, you didn't spend a lot, and if it does, you get a decent, if limited return on your minimal investment? And that sort of worked with Robinson, for a year.
That is just my impression about what Moneyball is, sorta. But if you experts out there in the concept think otherwise, by all means, advise us.
If the topic was about Moneyball - that would be a decent idea. But, it's not so why hi-jack the thread? Therefore, are we Yo quiero Sendejo or No quiero Sendejo?
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