Browns Biggest Draft Needs, Post Free Agency
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When I did my mock, well before the combine - I knew I'd be disagreed with. lol
I disagreed with myself, often, in studying each pick at length, then trying to figure who would
be there, and who would be gone, etc etc etc.
Then there is the "can I get about as good a player later?" question.
My biggest struggle was the 2nd round - it was tempting to take a wr - that class is deep, and first round quality
will surely be there. But I ended up wishing Simmons would fall to ten in the first round, but couldn't make it make sense.
So, I looked at some of the top big safety/lb hybrids - and I ended up with Dugger in the second round.
I admit I never even looked at Tiam's Jeremy Chinn - who really is right up there in "special player" status.
SD, I'd love to see your mock. It's complicated to do one. Even the "experts" on TV get all the picks wrong often.
Initially I was in Wills camp... then I did more work on Thomas. He became my #1 OT in this draft... and among the consensus top 4 it wasn't a tough decision, but Wills was still an option at #10... the only other option.
Then I saw Jones... and now this consensus #5 OT is my 1b to Thomas' 1a.
Sometimes you have to plow your own field.
When I did my mock, well before the combine - I knew I'd be disagreed with. lol
I disagreed with myself, often, in studying each pick at length, then trying to figure who would be there, and who would be gone, etc etc etc.
Then there is the "can I get about as good a player later?" question.
My biggest struggle was the 2nd round - it was tempting to take a wr - that class is deep, and first round quality will surely be there. But I ended up wishing Simmons would fall to ten in the first round, but couldn't make it make sense.
So, I looked at some of the top big safety/lb hybrids - and I ended up with Dugger in the second round. I admit I never even looked at Tiam's Jeremy Chinn - who really is right up there in "special player" status.
SD, I'd love to see your mock. It's complicated to do one. Even the "experts" on TV get all the picks wrong often.
And you were on Dugger before I was... tia, found Chin... that's how it works around here.
It's like a pot luck dinner... and just like a pot luck sometimes we like what other folk bring... and sometimes not so much.
I'm trying to remember who I "brought to the table" this year. Gordon (QB) was five or so months ago around mid-season.
Can't take credit for Muti.... that was PFF. Fairly shallow dives, but Lemieux (OG, Oregon) and Peart (OT, UConn) qualify. My deepest dive this season has to be Benito Jones (DT, Ole Miss), but his disappointing Combine ended up not aligning with what I thought I saw on tape. However, even in Benito's case he rose on some lists I follow... all the way from a late 7th rounder to a late 6th... lol...
Oh well... any validation in a storm.
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I picked an OT for the Browns in round 1 of our Browns Board draft.
Who might you say Browns/me for my pick should think about at LB in Round 2? With like the #42 pick. I am just starting to look at it for when I get back on the clock with the Browns......What would be your thoughts?
I'd have taken Thomas from Georgia. Time will tell if one shows better than the other. But when flipping a coin I go with NFL, Jr.-the SEC. They consistently lead all leagues overall at draft time. And he has tons of experience blocking for good Georgia backs.
I'd have taken Thomas from Georgia. Time will tell if one shows better than the other. But when flipping a coin I go with NFL, Jr.-the SEC. They consistently lead all leagues overall at draft time. And he has tons of experience blocking for good Georgia backs.
Well, when I flip a coin it goes for the Big Ten....especially when it come to offensive linemen as it has produced more quality OL/OTs than any other: Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace and many others.
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I'd have taken Thomas from Georgia. Time will tell if one shows better than the other. But when flipping a coin I go with NFL, Jr.-the SEC. They consistently lead all leagues overall at draft time. And he has tons of experience blocking for good Georgia backs.
Well, when I flip a coin it goes for the Big Ten....especially when it come to offensive linemen as it has produced more quality OL/OTs than any other: Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace and many others.
Well, when I flip a coin it goes for the Big Ten....especially when it come to offensive linemen as it has produced more quality OL/OTs than any other: Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace and many others.
True, but we have a Georgia RB who knows how their OTs block already.?
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Well, when I flip a coin it goes for the Big Ten....especially when it come to offensive linemen as it has produced more quality OL/OTs than any other: Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace and many others.
True, but we have a Georgia RB who knows how their OTs block already.?
True, but we have a Georgia RB who knows how their OTs block already.?
Or, maybe we should look for a MAC lineman, since we have a Toledo RB.
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Or get a new coin...
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For What its worth, here is the Browns depth chart on Offense:
WR 80 Landry, Jarvis T/Mia 12 Hodge, KhaDarel W/LAR 18 Ratley, Damion 18/6 15 Montgomery, DJ CF19 RWR 13 Beckham Jr., Odell T/NYG 10 Taylor, Taywan T/Ten 16 Moore, J'Mon SF19 00 Natson, JoJo SF20 81 Higgins, Rashard 16/5 LT 78 Robinson, Greg SF18 LG 75 Bitonio, Joel 14/2 79 Forbes, Drew 19/6 71 Gossett, Colby SF19 C 64 Tretter, JC U/GB RG 77 Teller, Wyatt T/Buf 62 Pridgeon, Malcolm CF19 66 Wright, Willie CF19 RT 00 Conklin, Jack U/Ten 74 Hubbard, Chris U/Pit 70 Lamm, Kendall U/Hou TE 85 Njoku, David 17/1 86 Brown, Pharaoh SF18 89 Carlson, Stephen CF19 TE 00 Hooper, Austin U/Atl 83 Seals-Jones, Ricky W/Arz QB 6 Mayfield, Baker 18/1 00 KEENUM, CASE U/Was 3 Gilbert, Garrett SF19 5 STANTON, DREW U/Arz RB 24 Chubb, Nick 18/2 25 Hilliard, Dontrell CF18 00 Stanton, Johnny SF20 RB 27 Hunt, Kareem SF19 30 Johnson, D'Ernest SF19 Notice that not a single person is in there at Left Tackle. I think that shows the draft priority.
I chose Tristan Wirfs in our board draft, but there are like 4 different candidates: Wirfs, Becton, Thomas, Wills.
Who would actually, really be best for the Browns...in your opinions?
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For What its worth, here is the Browns depth chart on Offense:
WR 80 Landry, Jarvis T/Mia 12 Hodge, KhaDarel W/LAR 18 Ratley, Damion 18/6 15 Montgomery, DJ CF19 RWR 13 Beckham Jr., Odell T/NYG 10 Taylor, Taywan T/Ten 16 Moore, J'Mon SF19 00 Natson, JoJo SF20 81 Higgins, Rashard 16/5 LT 78 Robinson, Greg SF18 LG 75 Bitonio, Joel 14/2 79 Forbes, Drew 19/6 71 Gossett, Colby SF19 C 64 Tretter, JC U/GB RG 77 Teller, Wyatt T/Buf 62 Pridgeon, Malcolm CF19 66 Wright, Willie CF19 RT 00 Conklin, Jack U/Ten 74 Hubbard, Chris U/Pit 70 Lamm, Kendall U/Hou TE 85 Njoku, David 17/1 86 Brown, Pharaoh SF18 89 Carlson, Stephen CF19 TE 00 Hooper, Austin U/Atl 83 Seals-Jones, Ricky W/Arz QB 6 Mayfield, Baker 18/1 00 KEENUM, CASE U/Was 3 Gilbert, Garrett SF19 5 STANTON, DREW U/Arz RB 24 Chubb, Nick 18/2 25 Hilliard, Dontrell CF18 00 Stanton, Johnny SF20 RB 27 Hunt, Kareem SF19 30 Johnson, D'Ernest SF19 Notice that not a single person is in there at Left Tackle. I think that shows the draft priority.
I chose Tristan Wirfs in our board draft, but there are like 4 different candidates: Wirfs, Becton, Thomas, Wills.
Who would actually, really be best for the Browns...in your opinions?
Notice that not a single person is in there at Left Tackle. I think that shows the draft priority.
I chose Tristan Wirfs in our board draft, but there are like 4 different candidates: Wirfs, Becton, Thomas, Wills.
Who would actually, really be best for the Browns...in your opinions?
Wills, but he should be gone. He's always? been a RT, but he could play left. I think Thomas, who has played both L and R, is #2.
both will be gone, I think.
Then...I'm still looking at Jones to be at LT. I can't see Wirfs at LT vs speed rushers. I actually think Jones is the #3 tackle in the draft.
I believe Wirfs will move inside to OG, and be a star. And Becton, I just don't know if he's a LT or ... but he is amazing.
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Notice that not a single person is in there at Left Tackle. I think that shows the draft priority.
I chose Tristan Wirfs in our board draft, but there are like 4 different candidates: Wirfs, Becton, Thomas, Wills.
Who would actually, really be best for the Browns...in your opinions?
Wills, but he should be gone. He's always? been a RT, but he could play left. I think Thomas, who has played both L and R, is #2.
both will be gone, I think.
Then...I'm still looking at Jones to be at LT. I can't see Wirfs at LT vs speed rushers. I actually think Jones is the #3 tackle in the draft.
I believe Wirfs will move inside to OG, and be a star. And Becton, I just don't know if he's a LT or ... but he is amazing.
Wills, but he should be gone. He's always? been a RT, but he could play left. I think Thomas, who has played both L and R, is #2.
both will be gone, I think.
Then...I'm still looking at Jones to be at LT. I can't see Wirfs at LT vs speed rushers. I actually think Jones is the #3 tackle in the draft.
I believe Wirfs will move inside to OG, and be a star. And Becton, I just don't know if he's a LT or ... but he is amazing.
I think there is a better than even chance Thomas or Beckton will still be there. I'm not a Wirfs fan for LT for the same reason you point out. Whomever it is I am glad we have a backup plan in Conklin if the rookie is just overwhelmed in the NFL at LT.
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- 1a. Thomas at #10
- 1b. Jones possibly as low as #20.
- 2. Peart (RT) in Round 2... Conklin to LT.
Reminder that if you take Wills then you now have two RTs to compete for LT. Doesn't concern me as I think Conklin flips easily, but then you've drafted a RT in round one... and that is something I can't do.
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Posted elsewhere... seems even more appropriate here.
Totals:
- Becton - 3
- Jones - 0
- Thomas - 5
- Wills - 1
- Wirfs - 0
Mock Draft Roundup: How did Browns' free agent signings affect picks by Mel Kiper Jr., other analysts
Andrew GribbleIn less than a week, rosters around the NFL have changed in dramatic fashion. The Browns, of course, are no different thanks to the addition of six new players (and counting).
All the moving and shaking around the league has caused some major changes in the projections analysts are making in their latest mock drafts. We're here for you to track just how much those predictions have changed when it comes to what the Browns are going to do with the No. 10 pick.
Of Note: Kiper says he likes the addition of RT Jack Conklin but stresses the Browns still have a glaring need at LT.
Of Note: Casserly has Thomas sandwiched between Clemson LB Isaiah Simmons and Alabama LT Jedrick Wills Jr.
Of Note: Thomas would be the fourth LT selected in the top 10 in Wilson's mock.
Of Note: White's the third in this group to see the Browns taking Thomas over Wills.
Of Note: The Browns would be picking Becton over Thomas in this scenario.
Of Note: Reid writes he doesn't think a team has fared better in free agency than the Browns.
Of Note: Farrar writes the combination of Becton and Conklin at the tackle positions "would be a massive upgrade over what the Browns presented last season."
Of Note: The Browns would be making Thomas the third tackle selected in the draft behind Becton and Tristan Wirfs.
Of Note: The Browns would be picking Wills over Thomas in this projection.
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7 CBS pickers: 4 Thomas and one each Becton, Wills and Wirfs.
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Some of which is based upon who they think will be there at 10 for us...
... but having looked at them all I have to scratch my head... especially with Becton.
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Some of which is based upon who they think will be there at 10 for us...
... but having looked at them all I have to scratch my head... especially with Becton.
Some of which is based upon who they think will be there at 10 for us...
... but having looked at them all I have to scratch my head... especially with Becton.
By that do you mean that you don't think any of them as a group are worthy of the #10 pick?
Wonder if we could do well waiting to round 2....to pick 42. A guy like Austin Jackson USC?
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Some of which is based upon who they think will be there at 10 for us...
... but having looked at them all I have to scratch my head... especially with Becton.
By that do you mean that you don't think any of them as a group are worthy of the #10 pick?
Wonder if we could do well waiting to round 2....to pick 42. A guy like Austin Jackson USC?
By that do you mean that you don't think any of them as a group are worthy of the #10 pick?
Wonder if we could do well waiting to round 2....to pick 42. A guy like Austin Jackson USC?
No..
The first line of comment was simply reflecting Ag's tally... put another way many mocks pick other OTs for teams above us with OT need leaving Thomas to fall to us.
This understanding is key to the 2nd line which basically says: I've looked at them all and cannot understand how Thomas is not the consensus top OT.
I've been trumpeting Thomas at 10 repeatedly... with Jones as the best alternative.
Jackson... no... not at 42 or on Day 2.
The most promising OT prospect outside of Day 1 I see is Peart (UConn). In a pinch, if I'm shut out of the OTs in Round 1, then I take him in Round 2
If gun to head I had to take a prospect on Day 3? Lucas Niang (TCU) has possibilities.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
By that do you mean that you don't think any of them as a group are worthy of the #10 pick?
Wonder if we could do well waiting to round 2....to pick 42. A guy like Austin Jackson USC?
No..
The first line of comment was simply reflecting Ag's tally... put another way many mocks pick other OTs for teams above us with OT need leaving Thomas to fall to us.
This understanding is key to the 2nd line which basically says: I've looked at them all and cannot understand how Thomas is not the consensus top OT.
I've been trumpeting Thomas at 10 repeatedly... with Jones as the best alternative.
Jackson... no... not at 42 or on Day 2.
The most promising OT prospect outside of Day 1 I see is Peart (UConn). In a pinch, if I'm shut out of the OTs in Round 1, then I take him in Round 2
If gun to head I had to take a prospect on Day 3? Lucas Niang (TCU) has possibilities.
I've been trumpeting Thomas at 10 repeatedly... with Jones as the best alternative.
I've been all set at a)Thomas or b.) Wills at #10...
Are you saying you'd pass on Wirfs solidifying RG or upgrade Hub at RT? Conk to LT..
And you'd also pass on Becton at #10? am still in shock at what Becton ran..his 1.77 split ?, was just a few ticks over Wirfs at 1.69..Wills,Thomas & Jones all in 1.80's..
Is Trading back to say pick #15? Can ya take Josh Jones there? with a wing under 80" & arms barely under 34"?
Another shocker to me is the Overall size wing of Becton 83 2/8.. Thomas & Wills sit at 83 4/8ths...
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I'm excited at the prospect of having a good OLine again.
The tackle position should be fixed as of... whenever the Draft happens.
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I'm excited at the prospect of having a good OLine again.
The tackle position should be fixed as of... whenever the Draft happens.
I'm excited at the prospect of having a good OLine again.
The tackle position should be fixed as of... whenever the Draft happens.
Of course, a good question is: Will getting a LOT with the #10 pick actually "fix" that position. Unless that person is the rare Joe Thomas type, any rookie would still have a lot to learn, and the play would be questionable until he proves it.
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I've been trumpeting Thomas at 10 repeatedly... with Jones as the best alternative.
I've been all set at a)Thomas or b.) Wills at #10...
Are you saying you'd pass on Wirfs solidifying RG or upgrade Hub at RT? Conk to LT..
And you'd also pass on Becton at #10? am still in shock at what Becton ran..his 1.77 split ?, was just a few ticks over Wirfs at 1.69..Wills,Thomas & Jones all in 1.80's..
Is Trading back to say pick #15? Can ya take Josh Jones there? with a wing under 80" & arms barely under 34"?
Another shocker to me is the Overall size wing of Becton 83 2/8.. Thomas & Wills sit at 83 4/8ths...
- I've been all set at a)Thomas or b.) Wills at #10...
- Are you saying you'd pass on Wirfs solidifying RG or upgrade Hub at RT? Conk to LT..
- And you'd also pass on Becton at #10? am still in shock at what Becton ran..his 1.77 split ?, was just a few ticks over Wirfs at 1.69..Wills,Thomas & Jones all in 1.80's..
- Is Trading back to say pick #15? Can ya take Josh Jones there? with a wing under 80" & arms barely under 34"?
- Another shocker to me is the Overall size wing of Becton 83 2/8.. Thomas & Wills sit at 83 4/8ths...
- Wills was my initial #1 and he's still acceptable, but to take him you have to know one of your two RTs can flip to LT. While I know you and I believe Conk can do that, it's still a wrinkle to consider. It's why Jones and Peart have both leap-frogged Wills in my value scenarios. Jones because I know he can play LT. Peart because I know he can play RT and he costs me a lot less to try Conk at LT.
- I'd pass on Wirfs in a heartbeat. I don't need to spend a #1 to fix RG. While back I posted a PFF article on the impact of passing rounds on success at every Offensive position. IOL (OG + Center) was the flattest line of all. You can find quality IOL starters throughout the draft... and this one is a great example IMO.
- Becton? Again... I'd pass in a heartbeat. Is the potential there? Maybe... but then it was supposedly in a great athlete named Greg Robinson as well. As is Becton's a top-heavy mess with no tech.
- Jones lasts until 15 in almost every scenario I can think of excepting if there is an early OT run starting with NYG at #4. Conversely if the first OT off the board doesn't go until AZ at #8, then Jones may fall to the bottom of the first... but in that case Thomas is likely there at #10 for us unless NYJ wants him enough to trade up from 11 for him.
- Wills' span surprised me because the other two looked much bigger on tape. But its not a matter of how wide... but what they do with the width... At least that's what she said.
Someone here posted weeks ago about some Sr. Bowl scout (IIRC) of some note saying Thomas and Jones were the class of this class. I'd love to compare notes with whomever that was...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
- I've been all set at a)Thomas or b.) Wills at #10...
- Are you saying you'd pass on Wirfs solidifying RG or upgrade Hub at RT? Conk to LT..
- And you'd also pass on Becton at #10? am still in shock at what Becton ran..his 1.77 split ?, was just a few ticks over Wirfs at 1.69..Wills,Thomas & Jones all in 1.80's..
- Is Trading back to say pick #15? Can ya take Josh Jones there? with a wing under 80" & arms barely under 34"?
- Another shocker to me is the Overall size wing of Becton 83 2/8.. Thomas & Wills sit at 83 4/8ths...
- Wills was my initial #1 and he's still acceptable, but to take him you have to know one of your two RTs can flip to LT. While I know you and I believe Conk can do that, it's still a wrinkle to consider. It's why Jones and Peart have both leap-frogged Wills in my value scenarios. Jones because I know he can play LT. Peart because I know he can play RT and he costs me a lot less to try Conk at LT.
- I'd pass on Wirfs in a heartbeat. I don't need to spend a #1 to fix RG. While back I posted a PFF article on the impact of passing rounds on success at every Offensive position. IOL (OG + Center) was the flattest line of all. You can find quality IOL starters throughout the draft... and this one is a great example IMO.
- Becton? Again... I'd pass in a heartbeat. Is the potential there? Maybe... but then it was supposedly in a great athlete named Greg Robinson as well. As is Becton's a top-heavy mess with no tech.
- Jones lasts until 15 in almost every scenario I can think of excepting if there is an early OT run starting with NYG at #4. Conversely if the first OT off the board doesn't go until AZ at #8, then Jones may fall to the bottom of the first... but in that case Thomas is likely there at #10 for us unless NYJ wants him enough to trade up from 11 for him.
- Wills' span surprised me because the other two looked much bigger on tape. But its not a matter of how wide... but what they do with the width... At least that's what she said.
Someone here posted weeks ago about some Sr. Bowl scout (IIRC) of some note saying Thomas and Jones were the class of this class. I'd love to compare notes with whomever that was...
- It's why Jones and Peart have both leap-frogged Wills in my value scenarios. Jones because I know he can play LT. Peart because I know he can play RT and he costs me a lot less to try Conk at LT.
- I'd pass on Wirfs in a heartbeat. I don't need to spend a #1 to fix RG.
- Becton? Again... I'd pass in a heartbeat. Is the potential there? Maybe... but then it was supposedly in a great athlete named Greg Robinson as well. As is Becton's a top-heavy mess with no tech
Always enjoy having a Hog-Molly advisor to lean on, on this board.. Use'guys always seem to find the longer nuts & bolts in the tool box, us average Joe's like me can't find...
in short, Give us Andrew Thomas at #10 to scare the lake pigeons off the field... or
on draft night we will be Counting Crows till Mr. Jones
i might look like Bob Dylan before draft night round 1 is over
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