Left Tackle - Flugel Faves and Hopefuls
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If for some crazy reason Simmons is still there at #10, that's just as big a need IMO. . Highly doubt that'll be an option though, and thus makes LT the very obvious choice.
Yeah, sometimes you gotta look at the bigger picture in terms of prospects. There's a reason defensive linemen have been pouring out of the flood gates from Ohio State-they all want to be coached by Larry Johnson. Whatever that dude does, he does it damn well.
Same thing with Sam Pittman as the (former) OL coach at Georgia. Whenever that dude gets his hand on a NFL prospect on the O-Line, they end up solid to great players. No reason to overthink on that one, if Thomas is there take him. Only way it gets complicated is if Simmons is there too.
I think that the Browns would draft Thomas if he's there. I'm sure he won't be. I love the idea of the Browns drafting Simmons. I said elsewhere, Simmons at times, reminds me of watching Jack Lambert back in college. But assuming that Thomas is not going to be there, it seems that Josh Jones is still a great pick there.
Biggest reason is, per my stupid mock draft, is that Kyle Dugger is there. I called Dugger a "poor man's Simmons" somewhere. Add to that, Tiam's impressive Jeremy Chinn - will both be there in the second round.
So, I think Thomas is gone, and so is Simmons.
Therefore -
Round one preference:
Thomas - primary, Jones - secondary
As to the question if Thomas is gone and Simmons fell to the Browns? lol
I'd draft Simmons. He is that much a BPA.
Then, I'd see if the excellent OT tackle we signed as a FA will flip to LT, and I'd draft an OT for the right side.
I think Josh Jones goes in the top twenty at worst, 10-15 at best. With no chance? at Thomas, Jones was my 1st round pick.
whatever, It's freaking complicated. LOL
If the Browns DID get Simmons in the first round?
Ezra Cleveland, as noted elsewhere, going in the last pick of the first in a few mocks.....
I really, really like this kid - he probably won't start his first year, but... - the only Division III kid at the Senior Bowl I think it was. Could be a serious gem - third round -
https://www.bucsnation.com/2020/2/14/21133729/2020-nfl-draft-prospect-offensive-tackle-ben-bartch
There was only one NCAA Division III football player who competed in the Reese’s Senior Bowl and that was offensive tackle Ben Bartch. Bartch attended Saint John’s University in Collegeville, Minnesota where he played tight end for his first two years of college before moving to offensive tackle.
In his sophomore year, he caught four passes for 43 yards and one touchdown. After switching over to offensive tackle, Bartch started every game for the Johnnies. He was named Second Team All-MIAC as a junior. In his senior year, Bartch was named First Team All-MIAC as well as Second Team AP All-American.
Heading into the Senior Bowl, Bartch was an expected day three pick. The 6’6”, 308 pound lineman boosted himself to a top 100 prospect following his week in Mobile, Alabama. He was consistent all week and showed he could compete with the top draft prospects. Bartch will also be participating in the NFL Combine.
Steven Montez is running away with the ball and I can’t turn the camera away from Ben Bartch putting Kinlaw down. #SeniorBowl pic.twitter.com/63PsO4rejo
— Austin Silvey (@SilveyESP) January 23, 2020For Tampa Bay, one of the biggest offseason needs is offensive tackle. In many mock drafts, the Bucs are linked to OT Mekhi Bacon from Louisville. Bartch is projected to be selected midway through the 3rd round. If the Bucs decided to wait and select Bartch in the 3rd round, they could get more value that is needed at a different position.
In many mock drafts, the Bucs are linked to OT Mekhi Bacton from Louisville. Bartch is projected to be selected midway through the 3rd round. If the Bucs decided to wait and select Bartch in the 3rd round, they could get more value that is needed at a different position.
I took Becton as a RT for the Bucs in the BB draft because they already have their LT and I think he makes a superior RT. Got to get quality in front of ole man Brady if you wanting him to play all season.
Maybe after that a punter. ?
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In many mock drafts, the Bucs are linked to OT Mekhi Bacton from Louisville. Bartch is projected to be selected midway through the 3rd round. If the Bucs decided to wait and select Bartch in the 3rd round, they could get more value that is needed at a different position.
I took Becton as a RT for the Bucs in the BB draft because they already have their LT and I think he makes a superior RT. Got to get quality in front of ole man Brady if you wanting him to play all season.
Maybe after that a punter. ?
I took Becton as a RT for the Bucs in the BB draft because they already have their LT and I think he makes a superior RT. Got to get quality in front of ole man Brady if you wanting him to play all season.
Maybe after that a punter. ?
Wherever Becton goes - it will be intriguing to watch how he does in his career.
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Folks... please look at Peart... RT.. #65...
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Folks... please look at Peart... RT.. #65...
So may I assume you are looking for him as a later round RT?
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I picked Robert Hunt IOL from Louisiana with the Browns comp pick in round 3 #97 overall. What do you think about that pick of the Rajun Cajun?
Haven't watched any tape, but from what I've read he's a good player, but a bad scheme fit for us. He's made for the power game.
Haven't watched any tape, but from what I've read he's a good player, but a bad scheme fit for us. He's made for the power game.
Well, with our 2 RBs, and this guy being an interior OL, wouldn't it be good for us to have some kind of a "power game"? I mean, it seems that for a long time the Browns have been having issues getting a push up front in like goal line situations and 3rd and short situations. Now that we have a fullback wouldn't we be wanting to play a bit of "Powerball" at time?
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Folks... please look at Peart... RT.. #65...
He was gone in our draft by the time it came around for me to try to grab him.
But then I was looking for guard, not a tackle.
Would you rather have him than the guys they have listed at the top: Wirfs/Thomas/Becton//Wills etc?
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So may I assume you are looking for him as a later round RT?
He was a solid 3rd a couple weeks ago, but has been climbing.
If I miss Thomas/Jones in the 1st, then I take him with our 2nd-rounder and don't look back.
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Would you rather have him than the guys they have listed at the top: Wirfs/Thomas/Becton//Wills etc?
I value:
Thomas, Jones at #10 > Peart at #41 > Wills at #10 >>> Wirfs at #10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Becton at #10
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Would you rather have him than the guys they have listed at the top: Wirfs/Thomas/Becton//Wills etc?
I value:
Thomas, Jones at #10 > Peart at #41 > Wills at #10 >>> Wirfs at #10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Becton at #10
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Possibly... and if it comes to pass I'll will have never been wishing I am wrong so much...
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Folks... please look at Peart... RT.. #65...
Peart has some terrific qualities, some scouts wonder about his toughness. Some say he seems very soft. I looked at him before, and the Browns' LT Robinson came to mind. Definitely has the physical skills. But my goofy opinion - I didn't think he was a football player. But if you guessed right and he will be - he would be a steal later on in the draft.
I like Ben Bartch better. I like Ezra Cleveland a lot more.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/scouting-combine-offensive-tackles-1
Ben Bartch, Saint John’s (6-5, 308): Bartch went from Division III All-American to the Senior Bowl. “It was really important,” he said of his performance at the prestigious all-star game Mobile, Ala. “One of the main red flags most scouts have on a player like me is the level of competition. They need to see how you are going to do when you go up against the biggest and fastest guys out there. And that's to be expected. You just have to rise to the occasion when you get the chance.”
Bartch played tight end during his first two years at the school. With limited playing time, he moved to left tackle and set the stage for his path to the NFL. To do it, he had to pack on the pounds. That meant seven meals per day and a smooth creation that include eggs, cottage cheese, peanut butter, bananas and milk. Over the course of weight training and conditioning, he’d eat seven meals.
Just eight Saint John’s players have been drafted, and none since offensive lineman Kurt Wachtler in the 15th round of 1974. The last Johnnies player to appear in a regular-season NFL game was running back Rick Bell, who played for the Vikings in 1983. He studied abroad in South Africa during Spring 2019
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Peart is my contingency plan if Andrew Thomas is gone.
And no, I don't mean by kicking over the rookie to the left side.
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Folks... please look at Peart... RT.. #65...
Peart has some terrific qualities, some scouts wonder about his toughness. Some say he seems very soft. I looked at him before, and the Browns' LT Robinson came to mind. Definitely has the physical skills. But my goofy opinion - I didn't think he was a football player. But if you guessed right and he will be - he would be a steal later on in the draft.
I like Ben Bartch better. I like Ezra Cleveland a lot more.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/scouting-combine-offensive-tackles-1
Ben Bartch, Saint John’s (6-5, 308): Bartch went from Division III All-American to the Senior Bowl. “It was really important,” he said of his performance at the prestigious all-star game Mobile, Ala. “One of the main red flags most scouts have on a player like me is the level of competition. They need to see how you are going to do when you go up against the biggest and fastest guys out there. And that's to be expected. You just have to rise to the occasion when you get the chance.”
Bartch played tight end during his first two years at the school. With limited playing time, he moved to left tackle and set the stage for his path to the NFL. To do it, he had to pack on the pounds. That meant seven meals per day and a smooth creation that include eggs, cottage cheese, peanut butter, bananas and milk. Over the course of weight training and conditioning, he’d eat seven meals.
Just eight Saint John’s players have been drafted, and none since offensive lineman Kurt Wachtler in the 15th round of 1974. The last Johnnies player to appear in a regular-season NFL game was running back Rick Bell, who played for the Vikings in 1983. He studied abroad in South Africa during Spring 2019
I like Ben Bartch better. I like Ezra Cleveland a lot more.
I love Bartch's story and like his promise, but if I draft an OT outside Round 1 I'm still looking for plug n play... not someday maybe...
Obviously we completely part ways on Ezra...
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My order of upper faves has changed and it probably won't be the last time.
1. Andrew Thomas - This won't change and I'm bummed he won't last until #10 overall. Here's a video of him broken down by Voch Lombardi who points out a correctable bad pass pro habit with his hands he thinks is being taught at UGA (when he shows the RT doing it too).
2. Jedrick Wills Jr - I had been changing frequently between Wills and Wirfs; but now Josh Jones is the guy that will tempt preference at 2.
3. Josh Jones - I always say when you visit an area that intrigues you - take a Tour Guide so you don't miss the best details. This was no different. I took Tour's Guide and found a lot to like from the 4 year starter at Left Tackle.
4. Tristan Wirfs - Is he like the band who thinks they're Better than Ezra? If not, we could be going BPA at #10 if the 1st 3 fellers and/or Becton have already been selected. For being the only OL to start as a freshman for our former OL coach Kirk Ferentz - I thought he'd offer us more hope to the Joe Thomas sized hole at LT in Cleveland. Unfortunately, he looks like a better candidate to play the RT position he played most often in college. Not saying LT is impossible with the type of strength and athleticism he displayed in Indy - it's just that all the stars and planets would have to align themselves for it to happen.
Here's a video comparing Wills and Wirfs.
5. Mekhi Becton - I might have really under-estimated this guy. Gee, there's a surprise. He's raw but he's put some goodies on film for the right NFL OL Coach to mold. I'm going to show a couple sets of highlights - first one is narrated by Voch Lombardi. The second one is just a collage of opponents that should have been narrated by Bill Withers singing Lean on Me. What I don't know from watching just 2 videos is if he's a good fit for a zbs or if he's ready for blind side pass pro in the NFL. I could see him playing RT for somebody like Orlando Brown ended up doing in Baltimore (already has 1 Pro Bowl appearance) in spite of his bench presses like a girl scout episode.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
OGs in our division like Yanda or DeCastro. I wouldn't just reach for Jones here if there's no trade-back option - I'd pull a muscle to do it. Having said that, I'm starting to think he might be less of a reach than Kinlaw anyway. We already have 2 FA DTs we invested money in with too many bare cupboards to blow off for a boom or bust DT. Lindy's Draft Guide lists Kinlaw as a prototypical pass rusher.
Well.... Yanda retired... so there's that...
I hear ya. You know I don't think Jones is a reach at 10... I'd just rather land him lower and collect the added draft capital.
Kinlaw? I dream of landing a Pass pressuring DT almost as much as I do a thumping Mike, but I'd also like a little run stop in the same package and Javon hasn't shown he's that on a consistent basis.
Well.... Yanda retired... so there's that...
I hear ya. You know I don't think Jones is a reach at 10... I'd just rather land him lower and collect the added draft capital.
Kinlaw? I dream of landing a Pass pressuring DT almost as much as I do a thumping Mike, but I'd also like a little run stop in the same package and Javon hasn't shown he's that on a consistent basis.
I walked right into that one with Yanda.
I've revised my faves and moved JJ up to #3 and Wills up to #2. Shoved Wirfs down to #4 and swam against the current to add Becton at #5. I added some highlights in my previous post. All that being the case, I'm thinking only Thomas, Wills and Jones are worthy of the 10th pick overall - giving us BPA or tradeback options...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Well.... Yanda retired... so there's that...
I hear ya. You know I don't think Jones is a reach at 10... I'd just rather land him lower and collect the added draft capital.
Kinlaw? I dream of landing a Pass pressuring DT almost as much as I do a thumping Mike, but I'd also like a little run stop in the same package and Javon hasn't shown he's that on a consistent basis.
I walked right into that one with Yanda.
I've revised my faves and moved JJ up to #3 and Wills up to #2. Shoved Wirfs down to #4 and swam against the current to add Becton at #5. I added some highlights in my previous post. All that being the case, I'm thinking only Thomas, Wills and Jones are worthy of the 10th pick overall - giving us BPA or tradeback options...
I walked right into that one with Yanda.
I've revised my faves and moved JJ up to #3 and Wills up to #2. Shoved Wirfs down to #4 and swam against the current to add Becton at #5. I added some highlights in my previous post. All that being the case, I'm thinking only Thomas, Wills and Jones are worthy of the 10th pick overall - giving us BPA or tradeback options...
I dont see it with Wills. He is good in a phone booth but I dont like how he drops back and that seems like a recipe for disaster at LT. I want Thomas but dont think hell be there. I would understand Becton because we while he is raw he has the tools and we are going to run the ball a ton. Then I would trade back for Jones or maybe Cleveland.
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Well.... Yanda retired... so there's that...
I hear ya. You know I don't think Jones is a reach at 10... I'd just rather land him lower and collect the added draft capital.
Kinlaw? I dream of landing a Pass pressuring DT almost as much as I do a thumping Mike, but I'd also like a little run stop in the same package and Javon hasn't shown he's that on a consistent basis.
I walked right into that one with Yanda.
I've revised my faves and moved JJ up to #3 and Wills up to #2. Shoved Wirfs down to #4 and swam against the current to add Becton at #5. I added some highlights in my previous post. All that being the case, I'm thinking only Thomas, Wills and Jones are worthy of the 10th pick overall - giving us BPA or tradeback options...
I walked right into that one with Yanda.
I've revised my faves and moved JJ up to #3 and Wills up to #2. Shoved Wirfs down to #4 and swam against the current to add Byouecton at #5. I added some highlights in my previous post. All that being the case, I'm thinking only Thomas, Wills and Jones are worthy of the 10th pick overall - giving us BPA or tradeback options...
Pffft... and I posted about a 17-game 2020 season yesterday... it happens.
Now need you to drop Becton altogether and add Peart...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Wirfs alert from the first of the two articles htown posted...
"... often, a guy who can’t handle left tackle can play right tackle,” said Savage. “At the very least, he usually can play guard. In other words, you do get something good from the pick — even if it’s not at left tackle.”
For example, Robert Gallery was the No. 2 pick in the 2004 draft. He was supposed to be a “can’t miss tackle” coming out of Iowa.
He struggled at both left and right tackle in the NFL, but eventually had a decent career as a starting left guard for five seasons.
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