Left Tackle - Flugel Faves and Hopefuls
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Well.... Yanda retired... so there's that...
I hear ya. You know I don't think Jones is a reach at 10... I'd just rather land him lower and collect the added draft capital.
Kinlaw? I dream of landing a Pass pressuring DT almost as much as I do a thumping Mike, but I'd also like a little run stop in the same package and Javon hasn't shown he's that on a consistent basis.
I walked right into that one with Yanda.
I've revised my faves and moved JJ up to #3 and Wills up to #2. Shoved Wirfs down to #4 and swam against the current to add Becton at #5. I added some highlights in my previous post. All that being the case, I'm thinking only Thomas, Wills and Jones are worthy of the 10th pick overall - giving us BPA or tradeback options...
I walked right into that one with Yanda.
I've revised my faves and moved JJ up to #3 and Wills up to #2. Shoved Wirfs down to #4 and swam against the current to add Byouecton at #5. I added some highlights in my previous post. All that being the case, I'm thinking only Thomas, Wills and Jones are worthy of the 10th pick overall - giving us BPA or tradeback options...
Pffft... and I posted about a 17-game 2020 season yesterday... it happens.
Now need you to drop Becton altogether and add Peart...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Wirfs alert from the first of the two articles htown posted...
"... often, a guy who can’t handle left tackle can play right tackle,” said Savage. “At the very least, he usually can play guard. In other words, you do get something good from the pick — even if it’s not at left tackle.”
For example, Robert Gallery was the No. 2 pick in the 2004 draft. He was supposed to be a “can’t miss tackle” coming out of Iowa.
He struggled at both left and right tackle in the NFL, but eventually had a decent career as a starting left guard for five seasons.
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And from the other article where Joe T. says...
“I would say, guys that are ready from day one, to be dominant in the run game, Wirfs would be the first guy,” Thomas said. “But if you’re going to ask a guy to drop back and pass block, which still happens and you still want that skill, then a guy like Mekhi Becton or Jedrick Wills would possibly, maybe, suit that bill just slightly more. But really I think the Browns are in such a great position because they need a left tackle. There’s four, maybe five of them who all could do a great job.”
Slight nod to Jones(?) methinks... but I'm actually glad he mentions neither him nor Thomas.
I wonder if he is consulting for our FO?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And from the other article where Joe T. says...
“I would say, guys that are ready from day one, to be dominant in the run game, Wirfs would be the first guy,” Thomas said. “But if you’re going to ask a guy to drop back and pass block, which still happens and you still want that skill, then a guy like Mekhi Becton or Jedrick Wills would possibly, maybe, suit that bill just slightly more. But really I think the Browns are in such a great position because they need a left tackle. There’s four, maybe five of them who all could do a great job.”
Slight nod to Jones(?) methinks... but I'm actually glad he mentions neither him nor Thomas.
I wonder if he is consulting for our FO?
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I walked right into that one with Yanda.
I've revised my faves and moved JJ up to #3 and Wills up to #2. Shoved Wirfs down to #4 and swam against the current to add Byouecton at #5. I added some highlights in my previous post. All that being the case, I'm thinking only Thomas, Wills and Jones are worthy of the 10th pick overall - giving us BPA or tradeback options...
Pffft... and I posted about a 17-game 2020 season yesterday... it happens.
Now need you to drop Becton altogether and add Peart...
Pffft... and I posted about a 17-game 2020 season yesterday... it happens.
Now need you to drop Becton altogether and add Peart...
Thanks! Not to worry, guys that are better fits at RT, OG or a power scheme in lieu of a zbs (ie: Wirfs and Becton) won't keep spots #4 and 5 for much longer. With Becton, I just wanted to give him more respect than my first impression of him looking like he'd never get out of the uncomfortable stance he was pictured in. Remember that song 16 Candles? It looked like he had all 16 lit and super-glued to the end of his dumpster. I can see him getting Orlando Brown'd to RT, which can work out well for a team that doesn't need a LT this year. Brown played in a Pro Bowl at RT in just his second season. Becton moves better than Brown and he's stronger.
Right now, I see Thomas, Wills and Jones as worthy of #10 overall. I appreciate your Peart recommendation. There's a few guys I want to watch some film on before I finalize my last 2 guys...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I walked right into that one with Yanda.
I've revised my faves and moved JJ up to #3 and Wills up to #2. Shoved Wirfs down to #4 and swam against the current to add Becton at #5. I added some highlights in my previous post. All that being the case, I'm thinking only Thomas, Wills and Jones are worthy of the 10th pick overall - giving us BPA or tradeback options...
I dont see it with Wills. He is good in a phone booth but I dont like how he drops back and that seems like a recipe for disaster at LT. I want Thomas but dont think hell be there. I would understand Becton because we while he is raw he has the tools and we are going to run the ball a ton. Then I would trade back for Jones or maybe Cleveland.
I dont see it with Wills. He is good in a phone booth but I dont like how he drops back and that seems like a recipe for disaster at LT. I want Thomas but dont think hell be there. I would understand Becton because we while he is raw he has the tools and we are going to run the ball a ton. Then I would trade back for Jones or maybe Cleveland.
Even before Joe Thomas mentioned it, people we're questioning Becton's compatibility for the zbs. I think he can play and his ability to move is underrated IMO; but I'm not sure if LT will be his NFL niche especially early on. Keep in mind that comes from the same guy that told you Lamar Jackson couldn't play - so there is that...
Anyway, here's some footage that could change your mind some on Wills.
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Pffft... and I posted about a 17-game 2020 season yesterday... it happens.
Now need you to drop Becton altogether and add Peart...
Thanks! Not to worry, guys that are better fits at RT, OG or a power scheme in lieu of a zbs (ie: Wirfs and Becton) won't keep spots #4 and 5 for much longer. With Becton, I just wanted to give him more respect than my first impression of him looking like he'd never get out of the uncomfortable stance he was pictured in. Remember that song 16 Candles? It looked like he had all 16 lit and super-glued to the end of his dumpster. I can see him getting Orlando Brown'd to RT, which can work out well for a team that doesn't need a LT this year. Brown played in a Pro Bowl at RT in just his second season. Becton moves better than Brown and he's stronger.
Right now, I see Thomas, Wills and Jones as worthy of #10 overall. I appreciate your Peart recommendation. There's a few guys I want to watch some film on before I finalize my last 2 guys...
With Becton, I just wanted to give him more respect than my first impression of him looking like he'd never get out of the uncomfortable stance he was pictured in.
I can see him getting Orlando Brown'd to RT, which can work out well for a team that doesn't need a LT this year. Brown played in a Pro Bowl at RT in just his second season. Becton moves better than Brown and he's stronger.
lol... Kinda the road I went down as well with Mekhi... First blush was, "He can't be this bad."
Next pause was, "Can he slim down and become more effective as Brown, Jr. did?" It was at this point I realized that I did not need to project Becton's ceiling when I could see much higher floors in others who also had room to grow.
Even before Joe Thomas mentioned it, people we're questioning Becton's compatibility for the zbs. I think he can play and his ability to move is underrated IMO; but I'm not sure if LT will be his NFL niche especially early on.
Keep in mind that comes from the same guy that told you Lamar Jackson couldn't play - so there is that...
Becton can move... it's his ability to move under control that concerns me.
As for Joe on Lamar... give Joe a number. The list of Jackson doubters is long and distinguished. The list of those who saw him being as electric as he was last season? Well.... if there is a list, then it would fit on one of those tiny Post-Its.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
With Becton, I just wanted to give him more respect than my first impression of him looking like he'd never get out of the uncomfortable stance he was pictured in.
I can see him getting Orlando Brown'd to RT, which can work out well for a team that doesn't need a LT this year. Brown played in a Pro Bowl at RT in just his second season. Becton moves better than Brown and he's stronger.
lol... Kinda the road I went down as well with Mekhi... First blush was, "He can't be this bad."
Next pause was, "Can he slim down and become more effective as Brown, Jr. did?" It was at this point I realized that I did not need to project Becton's ceiling when I could see much higher floors in others who also had room to grow.
Even before Joe Thomas mentioned it, people we're questioning Becton's compatibility for the zbs. I think he can play and his ability to move is underrated IMO; but I'm not sure if LT will be his NFL niche especially early on.
Keep in mind that comes from the same guy that told you Lamar Jackson couldn't play - so there is that...
Becton can move... it's his ability to move under control that concerns me.
As for Joe on Lamar... give Joe a number. The list of Jackson doubters is long and distinguished. The list of those who saw him being as electric as he was last season? Well.... if there is a list, then it would fit on one of those tiny Post-Its.
lol... Kinda the road I went down as well with Mekhi... First blush was, "He can't be this bad."
Next pause was, "Can he slim down and become more effective as Brown, Jr. did?" It was at this point I realized that I did not need to project Becton's ceiling when I could see much higher floors in others who also had room to grow.
Becton can move... it's his ability to move under control that concerns me.
As for Joe on Lamar... give Joe a number. The list of Jackson doubters is long and distinguished. The list of those who saw him being as electric as he was last season? Well.... if there is a list, then it would fit on one of those tiny Post-Its.
I was referring to me telling Louisville Slugger that Lamar Jackson couldn't play.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
lol... Kinda the road I went down as well with Mekhi... First blush was, "He can't be this bad."
Next pause was, "Can he slim down and become more effective as Brown, Jr. did?" It was at this point I realized that I did not need to project Becton's ceiling when I could see much higher floors in others who also had room to grow.
Becton can move... it's his ability to move under control that concerns me.
As for Joe on Lamar... give Joe a number. The list of Jackson doubters is long and distinguished. The list of those who saw him being as electric as he was last season? Well.... if there is a list, then it would fit on one of those tiny Post-Its.
I was referring to me telling Louisville Slugger that Lamar Jackson couldn't play.
I was referring to me telling Louisville Slugger that Lamar Jackson couldn't play.
Ah... well that's one for the Post-It...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
lol... Kinda the road I went down as well with Mekhi... First blush was, "He can't be this bad."
Next pause was, "Can he slim down and become more effective as Brown, Jr. did?" It was at this point I realized that I did not need to project Becton's ceiling when I could see much higher floors in others who also had room to grow.
Becton can move... it's his ability to move under control that concerns me.
As for Joe on Lamar... give Joe a number. The list of Jackson doubters is long and distinguished. The list of those who saw him being as electric as he was last season? Well.... if there is a list, then it would fit on one of those tiny Post-Its.
I was referring to me telling Louisville Slugger that Lamar Jackson couldn't play.
I was referring to me telling Louisville Slugger that Lamar Jackson couldn't play.
I said that if Lamar ended up in a Greg Roman offense I would take #1 overall, I dont think he would be half as good if he went anywhere else. So I dont think you were completely wrong. I dont think there are many people who know how to use his skill set properly.
I dont want to come off like I hate Wills as a prospect, I just dont like the idea of him at LT. I look at his initial drop back and feel like he doesnt cover enough ground. He does alot of things really well, hes smart, powerful, quick, and plays with a good foundation. I think top level pass rushers will take the edge on him but I could be wrong. I really think he is an elite guard prospect and a safe pick at RT. Problem is we need a LT
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lol... Kinda the road I went down as well with Mekhi... First blush was, "He can't be this bad."
Next pause was, "Can he slim down and become more effective as Brown, Jr. did?" It was at this point I realized that I did not need to project Becton's ceiling when I could see much higher floors in others who also had room to grow.
Becton can move... it's his ability to move under control that concerns me.
As for Joe on Lamar... give Joe a number. The list of Jackson doubters is long and distinguished. The list of those who saw him being as electric as he was last season? Well.... if there is a list, then it would fit on one of those tiny Post-Its.
I was referring to me telling Louisville Slugger that Lamar Jackson couldn't play.
I was referring to me telling Louisville Slugger that Lamar Jackson couldn't play.
You mean the Nebraska CB Lamar Jackson? About a 3rd rounder?
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I was referring to me telling Louisville Slugger that Lamar Jackson couldn't play.
I said that if Lamar ended up in a Greg Roman offense I would take #1 overall, I dont think he would be half as good if he went anywhere else. So I dont think you were completely wrong. I dont think there are many people who know how to use his skill set properly.
I dont want to come off like I hate Wills as a prospect, I just dont like the idea of him at LT. I look at his initial drop back and feel like he doesnt cover enough ground. He does alot of things really well, hes smart, powerful, quick, and plays with a good foundation. I think top level pass rushers will take the edge on him but I could be wrong. I really think he is an elite guard prospect and a safe pick at RT. Problem is we need a LT
I said that if Lamar ended up in a Greg Roman offense I would take #1 overall, I dont think he would be half as good if he went anywhere else. So I dont think you were completely wrong. I dont think there are many people who know how to use his skill set properly.
I dont want to come off like I hate Wills as a prospect, I just dont like the idea of him at LT. I look at his initial drop back and feel like he doesnt cover enough ground. He does alot of things really well, hes smart, powerful, quick, and plays with a good foundation. I think top level pass rushers will take the edge on him but I could be wrong. I really think he is an elite guard prospect and a safe pick at RT. Problem is we need a LT
No worries. You acknowledged some of Wills' strengths and explained where you are coming from about him as a LT.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
You mean the Nebraska CB Lamar Jackson? About a 3rd rounder?
I wish that was who I was referring to...
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I said that if Lamar ended up in a Greg Roman offense I would take #1 overall, I dont think he would be half as good if he went anywhere else. So I dont think you were completely wrong. I dont think there are many people who know how to use his skill set properly.
I dont want to come off like I hate Wills as a prospect, I just dont like the idea of him at LT. I look at his initial drop back and feel like he doesnt cover enough ground. He does alot of things really well, hes smart, powerful, quick, and plays with a good foundation. I think top level pass rushers will take the edge on him but I could be wrong. I really think he is an elite guard prospect and a safe pick at RT. Problem is we need a LT
No worries. You acknowledged some of Wills' strengths and explained where you are coming from about him as a LT.
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Interesting - this guy has the top four for the Browns - with Ezra Cleveland being #4, and Wills not being one of the four.
Because Wills played RT or...?
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Interesting - this guy has the top four for the Browns - with Ezra Cleveland being #4, and Wills not being one of the four.
Because Wills played RT or...?
Because Wills played RT or...?
That'd be my guess because Smith picked Wills for us in a Dec, 2019 mock...
But then he took Prince Tega Wanogho, Auburn's LT, in Round 2.
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/team-mock-drafts/2020/browns-browns-maven-2020-pete-smith
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This guy...
NFL Draft 2020: Andrew Thomas raves about Browns meeting, says it would be 'honor' to block for Baker Mayfield
The former Georgia offensive tackle has also had meetings with the Dolphins and Giants
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- by Bryan DeArdo
- @BryanDeArdo
- 4 hrs ago • 1 min read
Andrew Thomas has fielded several virtual interviews leading up to the 2020 NFL draft that includes meetings with the Browns, Dolphins and Giants along with other teams that own one of the top 10 picks in the draft.
When asked about his meeting with the Browns, Thomas, the standout offensive tackle out of Georgia, said that he had a "very smooth" conversation with Cleveland general manager Andrew Berry.
"Andrew said I had a lot of the intangibles that they're looking to add to their team, good character," Thomas said, via Mary Cay Kabot of Cleveland.com. "They feel that translates to playing on the field, so I feel that's something I have."
Thomas said that Berry also values his athleticism after playing in Georgia's wide zone scheme, a scheme that helped fellow draft prospect D'Andre Swift amass 6,436 all-purpose yards in three years with the Bulldogs. The 6-foot-5, 315-pound Thomas is also versatile after spending time at both tackle positions during his time at Georgia. In Cleveland, he would play left tackle (where he started during his final two years with the Bulldogs) after the Browns signed Jack Conklin to be their right tackle earlier this offseason.
"I played three years in the SEC at both right tackle and left tackle," said Thomas, the third best lineman in the draft according to CBS Sports prospect rankings. "I dominated every year and I feel like I'm the best tackle in this class."
Thomas said that it would be "an honor" to block for Baker Mayfield, the 2017 Heisman Trophy winner whose Oklahoma Sooners lost to Thomas' Bulldogs in that year's Rose Bowl. Thomas, who also said that he would embrace the challenge of following in Joe Thomas' footsteps if he is drafted by the Browns, would also be excited about joining a Cleveland offense that also includes running backs Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, receivers Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham Jr. and tight end Austin Hooper.
"The Browns are a team on the rise," Thomas said. "They have all the pieces they need and it's just a matter of time before they put it all together and compete for a Super Bowl."
Thomas may very well get his wish. CBS NFL draft analysts Ryan Wilson and Chris Trapasso both have him going to the Browns with the 10th overall pick in their most recent mock drafts.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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