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Ten Weeks to Crush the Curve - Editorial by Harvey V. Fineberg, M.D., Ph.D. in The New England Journal of Medicine

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  • This is an interesting fantasy where the entirety of America could have somehow been completely isolated from a global pandemic

  • This is an interesting fantasy where the entirety of America could have somehow been completely isolated from a global pandemic

    @mld-woody said:

    This is an interesting fantasy where the entirety of America could have somehow been completely isolated from a global pandemic

    Cal has got his head in the sand Woody.  Wouldn't have mattered if Trumpie had immediately shut down travel from China to the USA- which he didn't. But for the MAGAs here, he can do no wrong, and he's been 100% on top of the situation from the get-go. Horseshit. Never mind he ignored warnings of top epidemiologists here for weeks. It would have come over from Europe a week or two later regardless- so too bad it's all China's fault.

    From that article..... . 

    That’s when I realized the gravity of the situation. I spent the next few days reading and researching the subject. On February 25th I came to the conclusion that it was just a matter of time that the new coronavirus will spread from Italy to other European countries and then to the United States."

    @calfoxwc said:

    There is no blame on the USA for this being covered up by commie china and the WHO.

    The first cases were brought here by Americans from China> SO WHAT?

    If China and the WHO hadn't LIED about the virus, those Americans would have been quarantined.

    And America would have been saved this entire pandemic, one would hope.

    and golly gee - obaMao used up resources over the flu epidemic..and never replaced them.

    have a nice day.

    golly gee.

    LOL? So what? Because your Wuhan flu president thought it was "no big deal'- that's WHAT. BTW, Trump's been president for three years now Cal- and he swept that problem under the rug too. So YOU have a nice day. 

    It's all China's fault got it. Just like the conspiracists who  thought this was a viral attack from a Wuhan lab- which was subsequently debunked. 

    Incidentally, you're hopeless.  

  • @mld-woody said:

    This is an interesting fantasy where the entirety of America could have somehow been completely isolated from a global pandemic

    Cal has got his head in the sand Woody.  Wouldn't have mattered if Trumpie had immediately shut down travel from China to the USA- which he didn't. But for the MAGAs here, he can do no wrong, and he's been 100% on top of the situation from the get-go. Horseshit. Never mind he ignored warnings of top epidemiologists here for weeks. It would have come over from Europe a week or two later regardless- so too bad it's all China's fault.

    From that article..... . 

    That’s when I realized the gravity of the situation. I spent the next few days reading and researching the subject. On February 25th I came to the conclusion that it was just a matter of time that the new coronavirus will spread from Italy to other European countries and then to the United States."

    @calfoxwc said:

    There is no blame on the USA for this being covered up by commie china and the WHO.

    The first cases were brought here by Americans from China> SO WHAT?

    If China and the WHO hadn't LIED about the virus, those Americans would have been quarantined.

    And America would have been saved this entire pandemic, one would hope.

    and golly gee - obaMao used up resources over the flu epidemic..and never replaced them.

    have a nice day.

    golly gee.

    LOL? So what? Because your Wuhan flu president thought it was "no big deal'- that's WHAT. BTW, Trump's been president for three years now Cal- and he swept that problem under the rug too. So YOU have a nice day. 

    It's all China's fault got it. Just like the conspiracists who  thought this was a viral attack from a Wuhan lab- which was subsequently debunked. 

    Incidentally, you're hopeless.  

    @hoorta said:

     
     
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    Cal has got his head in the sand Woody.  Wouldn't have mattered if Trumpie had immediately shut down travel from China to the USA- which he didn't. But for the MAGAs here, he can do no wrong, and he's been 100% on top of the situation from the get-go. Horseshit. Never mind he ignored warnings of top epidemiologists here for weeks. It would have come over from Europe a week or two later regardless- so too bad it's all China's fault.

    It was a very interesting pivot from "this doesn't matter, it's just the flu" to "this is a huge deal and we can only blame China"

    basically mirroring Trump... which really isn't a surprise. 

  • light years better than being a woodpecker.

    The refusal to blame China, but lambast Pres Trump?

    Our experts he's working with, say he NEVER didn't listen, and everything

    they decided he went with.

    But go ahead and TDS, it's what you haters do.

    I blame commie china, because they let it continue, and LIED ABOUT IT.

    according to people and medical people IN COMMIE CHINA, that gov is STILL telling lies.

    Pres Trump tells the truth, and ... the haters come forth.

    but nary a complaint about all of obaMao commie's many scandals. NOPE.

    I wish we HAD shut down travel to and from china, but they LIED and the whole world didn't

    see fit to upset the entire global economy based on commie china's LIES.

    That is where it starts. Hoorta, if you won't admit that, you're the one that is hopeless.

  • light years better than being a woodpecker.

    The refusal to blame China, but lambast Pres Trump?

    Our experts he's working with, say he NEVER didn't listen, and everything

    they decided he went with.

    But go ahead and TDS, it's what you haters do.

    I blame commie china, because they let it continue, and LIED ABOUT IT.

    according to people and medical people IN COMMIE CHINA, that gov is STILL telling lies.

    Pres Trump tells the truth, and ... the haters come forth.

    but nary a complaint about all of obaMao commie's many scandals. NOPE.

    I wish we HAD shut down travel to and from china, but they LIED and the whole world didn't

    see fit to upset the entire global economy based on commie china's LIES.

    That is where it starts. Hoorta, if you won't admit that, you're the one that is hopeless.

    @calfoxwc said:

    light years better than being a woodpecker.

    The refusal to blame China, but lambast Pres Trump?

    Our experts he's working with, say he NEVER didn't listen, and everything

    they decided he went with.

    But go ahead and TDS, it's what you haters do.

    I blame commie china, because they let it continue, and LIED ABOUT IT.

    according to people and medical people IN COMMIE CHINA, that gov is STILL telling lies.

    Pres Trump tells the truth, and ... the haters come forth.

    but nary a complaint about all of obaMao commie's many scandals. NOPE.

    I wish we HAD shut down travel to and from china, but they LIED and the whole world didn't

    see fit to upset the entire global economy based on commie china's LIES.

    That is where it starts. Hoorta, if you won't admit that, you're the one that is hopeless.

    Cal, Trump is the guy of 10,000 lies. But by all means just keep totally diverting blame to China when Trump was talking about the minor problem of "the Wuhan flu" for weeks- I won't bother to dig up the quotes- you know damn well I'm right on that score.  It doesn't matter if China lied about it or not- but you still can't get that through your thick head. If not from China, it was coming here from Europe, or Iran, or a 1\2 dozen other places. Corona cases got reported within two weeks in China. Damn fast for something that your garden variety family practice doctor had no clue he was dealing with something totally different. But you seem to miss that- you go to your doctor with flu like symptoms, golly- you must have the flu.  But you need a scapegoat to divert blame. I got one too- Donald Trump. And his cast of sycophants. 

  • that's asinine. It would never have gotten outside commie china if they hadn't LIED.

    THAT IS WHERE THE BLAME IS. How the hell can you figure that every single country is at fault

    for not knowing commie china LIED and COVERED UP the seriousness of the virus?

    Why would the rest of the world go into panic mode when they believed the WHO and Commie China when they

    insisted the virus was NOT COMMUNICATED FROM PERSON TO PERSON?

    There is no blame on Pres Trump. Commie china hid the reality, it went all around the world and the world knows it.

    You do too, you just won't admit it. The timeline has been said over and over again, and all we keep getting is TDS-manufactured false narratives because you all don't like PRes Trump. Well, WE elected him, because WE know America can't survive with the similar-to-preWWII nazis democratic socialist sombietch corrupt party.

    If Pres Trump had immediately shut down all traffic in and out of the rest of the world and saved us from all this crisis, there was no basis for him to have done that.

       All this TDS retroactive whiney finger-pointing Monday-morning political quarterbacking is bs.

    I'll dang good and well blame commie china - and I can't see how we could have know all this would happen. Commie china's LIES

    made it happen. So stick that in your smoke and pipe it.

  • This is an interesting fantasy where the entirety of America could have somehow been completely isolated from a global pandemic

    @mld-woody said:

    This is an interesting fantasy where the entirety of America could have somehow been completely isolated from a global pandemic

    It might have been possible, why not? If the administration who some people are blaming in multiple Daily Possts had completely closed the borders back in January when they supposedly ignored the warnings. Sealed them tight. Do you think we'd be better off or worse off or the same? 

    WSS

  • Meanwhile in parking lots across America:

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  • Meanwhile in parking lots across America:

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    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Meanwhile in parking lots across America:

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    Exactly. I see this shit every time I go to a store. This and worse. People are idiots and it is literally impossible to enforce.

    WSS

  • I peel my gloves off and toss them into the garbage.

    what the hell is wrong with people?

    Obviously they are liberals - they feel ENTITLED to be picked up after. lol

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  • that's asinine. It would never have gotten outside commie china if they hadn't LIED.

    THAT IS WHERE THE BLAME IS. How the hell can you figure that every single country is at fault

    for not knowing commie china LIED and COVERED UP the seriousness of the virus?

    Why would the rest of the world go into panic mode when they believed the WHO and Commie China when they

    insisted the virus was NOT COMMUNICATED FROM PERSON TO PERSON?

    There is no blame on Pres Trump. Commie china hid the reality, it went all around the world and the world knows it.

    You do too, you just won't admit it. The timeline has been said over and over again, and all we keep getting is TDS-manufactured false narratives because you all don't like PRes Trump. Well, WE elected him, because WE know America can't survive with the similar-to-preWWII nazis democratic socialist sombietch corrupt party.

    If Pres Trump had immediately shut down all traffic in and out of the rest of the world and saved us from all this crisis, there was no basis for him to have done that.

       All this TDS retroactive whiney finger-pointing Monday-morning political quarterbacking is bs.

    I'll dang good and well blame commie china - and I can't see how we could have know all this would happen. Commie china's LIES

    made it happen. So stick that in your smoke and pipe it.

    @calfoxwc said:

    that's asinine. It would never have gotten outside commie china if they hadn't LIED.

    THAT IS WHERE THE BLAME IS. How the hell can you figure that every single country is at fault

    for not knowing commie china LIED and COVERED UP the seriousness of the virus?

    Why would the rest of the world go into panic mode when they believed the WHO and Commie China when they

    insisted the virus was NOT COMMUNICATED FROM PERSON TO PERSON?

    There is no blame on Pres Trump. Commie china hid the reality, it went all around the world and the world knows it.

    You do too, you just won't admit it. The timeline has been said over and over again, and all we keep getting is TDS-manufactured false narratives because you all don't like PRes Trump. Well, WE elected him, because WE know America can't survive with the similar-to-preWWII nazis democratic socialist sombietch corrupt party.

    If Pres Trump had immediately shut down all traffic in and out of the rest of the world and saved us from all this crisis, there was no basis for him to have done that.

       All this TDS retroactive whiney finger-pointing Monday-morning political quarterbacking is bs.

    I'll dang good and well blame commie china - and I can't see how we could have know all this would happen. Commie china's LIES

    made it happen. So stick that in your smoke and pipe it.

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    that's asinine. It would never have gotten outside commie china if they hadn't LIED.

    THAT IS WHERE THE BLAME IS. How the hell can you figure that every single country is at fault

    for not knowing commie china LIED and COVERED UP the seriousness of the virus?

    Why would the rest of the world go into panic mode when they believed the WHO and Commie China when they

    insisted the virus was NOT COMMUNICATED FROM PERSON TO PERSON?

    There is no blame on Pres Trump. Commie china hid the reality, it went all around the world and the world knows it.

    You do too, you just won't admit it. The timeline has been said over and over again, and all we keep getting is TDS-manufactured false narratives because you all don't like PRes Trump. Well, WE elected him, because WE know America can't survive with the similar-to-preWWII nazis democratic socialist sombietch corrupt party.

    If Pres Trump had immediately shut down all traffic in and out of the rest of the world and saved us from all this crisis, there was no basis for him to have done that.

       All this TDS retroactive whiney finger-pointing Monday-morning political quarterbacking is bs.

    I'll dang good and well blame commie china - and I can't see how we could have know all this would happen. Commie china's LIES

    made it happen. So stick that in your smoke and pipe it.

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

    @mld-woody said:

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

    do you really think it's Pres Trump's fault that the mayor of New Orleans didn't shut down Mardi Gra? you were serious in a post once, please try it a second time, birdbrain.

    and wear your gloves, and stop throwing them onto the parking lot.DSC05243_small2.JPG

  • @mld-woody said:

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

    do you really think it's Pres Trump's fault that the mayor of New Orleans didn't shut down Mardi Gra? you were serious in a post once, please try it a second time, birdbrain.

    and wear your gloves, and stop throwing them onto the parking lot.DSC05243_small2.JPG

    @calfoxwc said:

    do you really think it's Pres Trump's fault that the mayor of New Orleans didn't shut down Mardi Gra? you were serious in a post once, please try it a second time, birdbrain.

    I'm usually serious in posts

    Unfortunately you've never been intelligent in one....

    I never said anything about Mardis gras. You'll do everything you can to deflect any blame from Trump. I can only hope enough of the American people see how ridiculous he's been. From brushing it off, to gaslighting everyone, to going on about his ratings during a national emergency. The guy's a fake. Always has been.

    You even knew that one time. But following your party is more important than your own morals unfortunately. 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    do you really think it's Pres Trump's fault that the mayor of New Orleans didn't shut down Mardi Gra? you were serious in a post once, please try it a second time, birdbrain.

    I'm usually serious in posts

    Unfortunately you've never been intelligent in one....

    I never said anything about Mardis gras. You'll do everything you can to deflect any blame from Trump. I can only hope enough of the American people see how ridiculous he's been. From brushing it off, to gaslighting everyone, to going on about his ratings during a national emergency. The guy's a fake. Always has been.

    You even knew that one time. But following your party is more important than your own morals unfortunately. 

    @mld-woody said:

    I'm usually serious in posts

    Unfortunately you've never been intelligent in one....

    I never said anything about Mardis gras. You'll do everything you can to deflect any blame from Trump. I can only hope enough of the American people see how ridiculous he's been. From brushing it off, to gaslighting everyone, to going on about his ratings during a national emergency. The guy's a fake. Always has been.

    You even knew that one time. But following your party is more important than your own morals unfortunately. 

    your ignorant arrogance is sadly misplaced. I didn't say you talked about mardi gras, I brought it up to show how you and your other liberal feeeelers rant against a republican president when you were too cowardly to ever complain about anything your obaMao commie president did.

        You just want to be on a negative bitchy side and personally argue with people. and when some people you don't like are discussing/arguing with somebody on the forum, you jump in and pile on like a stinky little woodpecker dropping. That means you are full of bird poop, woodpecker. I left you alone for the umpteenth time, and eventually, you start it up again and again.

        It's all you have to try to contribute and it makes you look like Forrest Gump is your smarter self. What you feel is not relevant to any discussion, and you don't have, but for maybe one time, any experiences in your life that you can use to try to understand issues.

       You post like you are in the fifth grade, birdbrain. Try to grow up - you are tiresome. and take a shower, you tend to stink up most threads you post in. You're looking pretty grimy.Downy-Woodpecker_660x440.jpg

  • @calfoxwc said:

    that's asinine. It would never have gotten outside commie china if they hadn't LIED.

    THAT IS WHERE THE BLAME IS. How the hell can you figure that every single country is at fault

    for not knowing commie china LIED and COVERED UP the seriousness of the virus?

    Why would the rest of the world go into panic mode when they believed the WHO and Commie China when they

    insisted the virus was NOT COMMUNICATED FROM PERSON TO PERSON?

    There is no blame on Pres Trump. Commie china hid the reality, it went all around the world and the world knows it.

    You do too, you just won't admit it. The timeline has been said over and over again, and all we keep getting is TDS-manufactured false narratives because you all don't like PRes Trump. Well, WE elected him, because WE know America can't survive with the similar-to-preWWII nazis democratic socialist sombietch corrupt party.

    If Pres Trump had immediately shut down all traffic in and out of the rest of the world and saved us from all this crisis, there was no basis for him to have done that.

       All this TDS retroactive whiney finger-pointing Monday-morning political quarterbacking is bs.

    I'll dang good and well blame commie china - and I can't see how we could have know all this would happen. Commie china's LIES

    made it happen. So stick that in your smoke and pipe it.

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

    @mld-woody said:

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

    Yup, Cal has Commie China on the brain. There was no realistic way with global  travel that it could possibly  have been contained.  For a couple  reasons. 

    1) Its absurd to  think the Chinese,  or any other developed  country for that matter  would instantly have  known  that they were dealing with  something  totally  different than the  flu. With the two week  lag time needed to accurately identify the problem, infected people  had already  left Wuhan. Too  late to do anything  about it, coverup  or not. 

    2) As I  pointed  out, if it hadn't been a  direct import  from  China, the virus certainly would have  arrived  via US tourists  returning from  Italy. 

    Finally,  let's  hope Cal doesn't  need one of those respirators those nasty Commie  Chinese shipped over here to help out with the pandemic.  That said, I'll  leave him to his scapegoating, and defending his Wuhan flu pal. 

  • @mld-woody said:

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

    Yup, Cal has Commie China on the brain. There was no realistic way with global  travel that it could possibly  have been contained.  For a couple  reasons. 

    1) Its absurd to  think the Chinese,  or any other developed  country for that matter  would instantly have  known  that they were dealing with  something  totally  different than the  flu. With the two week  lag time needed to accurately identify the problem, infected people  had already  left Wuhan. Too  late to do anything  about it, coverup  or not. 

    2) As I  pointed  out, if it hadn't been a  direct import  from  China, the virus certainly would have  arrived  via US tourists  returning from  Italy. 

    Finally,  let's  hope Cal doesn't  need one of those respirators those nasty Commie  Chinese shipped over here to help out with the pandemic.  That said, I'll  leave him to his scapegoating, and defending his Wuhan flu pal. 

    @hoorta said:

    Yup, Cal has Commie China on the brain. There was no realistic way with global  travel that it could possibly  have been contained.  For a couple  reasons. 

    1) Its absurd to  think the Chinese,  or any other developed  country for that matter  would instantly have  known  that they were dealing with  something  totally  different than the  flu. With the two week  lag time needed to accurately identify the problem, infected people  had already  left Wuhan. Too  late to do anything  about it, coverup  or not. 

    2) As I  pointed  out, if it hadn't been a  direct import  from  China, the virus certainly would have  arrived  via US tourists  returning from  Italy. 

    Finally,  let's  hope Cal doesn't  need one of those respirators those nasty Commie  Chinese shipped over here to help out with the pandemic.  That said, I'll  leave him to his scapegoating, and defending his Wuhan flu pal. 

    actually, that's partly true - I was hating on commie china because so much stuff in about any store was made in china. and our trading with them was so one-sided. it was stupid. Thank God we have a REAL AMERICAN President that saw that. and is working to stop illegal immigration.

      It is not absurd at all. They still don't admit it started in wuhan. that means they NEVER stopped chinese citizens from traveling all over the globe. and remember, or you didn't READ IT - the wuhan lab posted two job descriptions they wanted to fill - studying the corona virus.

      I'll let you all continue to not admit that there is a bio lab in wuham.

    You bring up Italy? IT WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO ITALY IF THE CHINESE HADN'T LIED AND COVERED UP.

    Let's let trump haters keep on hating, to the point of defending a corrupt chinese government.

    it makes them happy for some reason, and they thrive on emotion above all else.

  • Well this is sobering for sure. I've been to many of these cites such a NYC, Barcelona, Paris, London, Rome, Florence, Brussels, Madrid, etc. 

    It's like watching San Francisco in "On The Beach".  

  • Well this is sobering for sure. I've been to many of these cites such a NYC, Barcelona, Paris, London, Rome, Florence, Brussels, Madrid, etc. 

    It's like watching San Francisco in "On The Beach".  

    @texasag1969 said:

    Well this is sobering for sure. I've been to many of these cites such a NYC, Barcelona, Paris, London, Rome, Florence, Brussels, Madrid, etc. 

    It's like watching San Francisco in "On The Beach".  

    It's all fake being set up by the deep state.........?

  • @hoorta said:

    Yup, Cal has Commie China on the brain. There was no realistic way with global  travel that it could possibly  have been contained.  For a couple  reasons. 

    1) Its absurd to  think the Chinese,  or any other developed  country for that matter  would instantly have  known  that they were dealing with  something  totally  different than the  flu. With the two week  lag time needed to accurately identify the problem, infected people  had already  left Wuhan. Too  late to do anything  about it, coverup  or not. 

    2) As I  pointed  out, if it hadn't been a  direct import  from  China, the virus certainly would have  arrived  via US tourists  returning from  Italy. 

    Finally,  let's  hope Cal doesn't  need one of those respirators those nasty Commie  Chinese shipped over here to help out with the pandemic.  That said, I'll  leave him to his scapegoating, and defending his Wuhan flu pal. 

    actually, that's partly true - I was hating on commie china because so much stuff in about any store was made in china. and our trading with them was so one-sided. it was stupid. Thank God we have a REAL AMERICAN President that saw that. and is working to stop illegal immigration.

      It is not absurd at all. They still don't admit it started in wuhan. that means they NEVER stopped chinese citizens from traveling all over the globe. and remember, or you didn't READ IT - the wuhan lab posted two job descriptions they wanted to fill - studying the corona virus.

      I'll let you all continue to not admit that there is a bio lab in wuham.

    You bring up Italy? IT WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO ITALY IF THE CHINESE HADN'T LIED AND COVERED UP.

    Let's let trump haters keep on hating, to the point of defending a corrupt chinese government.

    it makes them happy for some reason, and they thrive on emotion above all else.

    @calfoxwc said:

    actually, that's partly true - I was hating on commie china because so much stuff in about any store was made in china. and our trading with them was so one-sided. it was stupid. Thank God we have a REAL AMERICAN President that saw that. and is working to stop illegal immigration.

      It is not absurd at all. They still don't admit it started in wuhan. that means they NEVER stopped chinese citizens from traveling all over the globe. and remember, or you didn't READ IT - the wuhan lab posted two job descriptions they wanted to fill - studying the corona virus.

      I'll let you all continue to not admit that there is a bio lab in wuham.

    You bring up Italy? IT WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO ITALY IF THE CHINESE HADN'T LIED AND COVERED UP.

    Let's let trump haters keep on hating, to the point of defending a corrupt chinese government.

    it makes them happy for some reason, and they thrive on emotion above all else.

    Actually Cal, I don't particularly hate on Trump. Still gotta bring up the Wuhan biolab conspiracy that's been debunked by OUR scientists. And you're still TOTALLY IGNORING the fact it's odds on hundreds of infected people got out of China on regular business before the Chinese even knew what in the hell it was. 

    As I've said 1\2 dozen times, can your conspiracy theories-  the lies and coverup happened after the fact, unless you want to believe in a miracle that flies in the face of good medical practice that doctors in Wuhan instantly knew it was a totally new virus they were being presented with. There was a two week lag time, Mr. Conspiracy. 

    As to ignoring history, and having it repeat itself- here's a little nugget for you MAGAs. China built the Great Wall to keep the Mongols out. The Donald's Great Wall of Trump will similarly fail. 🙂 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    actually, that's partly true - I was hating on commie china because so much stuff in about any store was made in china. and our trading with them was so one-sided. it was stupid. Thank God we have a REAL AMERICAN President that saw that. and is working to stop illegal immigration.

      It is not absurd at all. They still don't admit it started in wuhan. that means they NEVER stopped chinese citizens from traveling all over the globe. and remember, or you didn't READ IT - the wuhan lab posted two job descriptions they wanted to fill - studying the corona virus.

      I'll let you all continue to not admit that there is a bio lab in wuham.

    You bring up Italy? IT WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO ITALY IF THE CHINESE HADN'T LIED AND COVERED UP.

    Let's let trump haters keep on hating, to the point of defending a corrupt chinese government.

    it makes them happy for some reason, and they thrive on emotion above all else.

    Actually Cal, I don't particularly hate on Trump. Still gotta bring up the Wuhan biolab conspiracy that's been debunked by OUR scientists. And you're still TOTALLY IGNORING the fact it's odds on hundreds of infected people got out of China on regular business before the Chinese even knew what in the hell it was. 

    As I've said 1\2 dozen times, can your conspiracy theories-  the lies and coverup happened after the fact, unless you want to believe in a miracle that flies in the face of good medical practice that doctors in Wuhan instantly knew it was a totally new virus they were being presented with. There was a two week lag time, Mr. Conspiracy. 

    As to ignoring history, and having it repeat itself- here's a little nugget for you MAGAs. China built the Great Wall to keep the Mongols out. The Donald's Great Wall of Trump will similarly fail. 🙂 

    @hoorta said:

    As to ignoring history, and having it repeat itself- here's a little nugget for you MAGAs. China built the Great Wall to keep the Mongols out. The Donald's Great Wall of Trump will similarly fail. 🙂 

    you keep believing the commie chinese are telling the truth about it, and not cta (takeoff of "cya") and I'm keepin on asayin that medical scientists have said the commie chinese gov was telling LIES. So, I don't understand giving the gov any benefit of the doubt.

       and, you can't compare the mongols and the great wall of china with Pres Trump's wall to keep indigent mexicans etc out.

    That's racist. lol