The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.
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Hey... at least I tinted my reply...
Draft is moving along nicely.
I'll certainly call out the drafts I like.
? Classic stuff!
Something tells me he wants a little more Eddie Haskell from you along the lines of... "That's a GREAT pick Mr Cleaver. Your draft looks very nice today!" What he doesn't want to hear is.. "And by the way, I just broke your all your basement windows..."
? Classic stuff! Something tells me he wants a little more Eddie Haskell from you along the lines of... "That's a GREAT pick Mr Cleaver. Your draft looks very nice today!"
"Hi ya, Squirt."
Isn't it nice when people like us adhere to a subject heading as far out as page 15 without getting off topic and arguing about something else for the next 10 pages?
And what exactly are you insinuating by that?!?!?!?
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? Classic stuff! Something tells me he wants a little more Eddie Haskell from you along the lines of... "That's a GREAT pick Mr Cleaver. Your draft looks very nice today!"
"Hi ya, Squirt."
Isn't it nice when people like us adhere to a subject heading as far out as page 15 without getting off topic and arguing about something else for the next 10 pages?
And what exactly are you insinuating by that?!?!?!?
"Hi ya, Squirt."
And what exactly are you insinuating by that?!?!?!?
I'm talking about Gips. He gets pissed off when people don't stick to his subject headings and then he hi-jacks other people's threads and gets in 10 page arguments with people on something that has nothing to do with the subject heading he invaded.
If it only happened once or twice, it wouldn't be an issue but he does it all the time to people.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'm on board with Matt Peart - OT, UConn. Watched vs USF, Wagner and Navy.
- Good Feet. Ideal for more of a ZBS
- Great wingspan. And despite the long arms, doesn't use them without control. I.e. didn't really see any holding calls.
- Hips and kick look fluid. This goes back to his feet, big boy with good wheels.
- Works to the next level under control and rarely misses his mark.
- Hands initial punch on edge speed with reasonable force finding largest available surface area.
He might not be absolutely devastating in the running game, but he does a good job positioning himself and leveraging his man inside or kicking him out. Anchors well enough when bull rushed. Not a pure power guy, but he can hold his ground without being bullied. Uses his long arms to his advantage and rarely lets rushers into his chest. So far, looks like mid round gold.
edit: @tour2ma I'm sure will be happy with this find.
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@gumby73 I'm on Khalid Kareem, Edge, Notre Dame. Will get back to you later today.
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Honestly - it's "I ask a dumb question time" lol...
Peart is one of those guys I read up on, watch some film and go "what the heck"....
and I am NOT trying to pick on him at all.
He looks the part, plays the part, to me. But then you read stuff from other folks who criticize him.
like:
https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2020/03/26/2020-nfl-draft-matt-peart-scouting-report/
and
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2020-nfl-draft-uconn-offensive-tackle-matt-peart/
"There is one aspect of the game Peart lacks that is a major red flag – a killer instinct and nasty attitude. In three years of watching his film, I’ve never seen him look like a blocker hellbent on finishing off opponents, playing through the whistle, or working to finish blocks.
That is a problem many are aware of.
Entering the season, Peart was graded by scouts as early as a fourth-round pick to as late as a sixth-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. I was consistent in my assessment of the senior – he was a fifth-round prospect who had enough playing ability to move into the second round if he picked up the intensity.
I’ve yet to see it happen in 2019. "
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so, what is there about drafting a player that blows the doors off expectations, and other guys who just don't make it? I keep thinking it's internal drive - intensity - love for the game...and not all players have it. There's Joe Thomas, who didn't miss one snap in thousands and thousands? LOL ! That's serious kick-ass love for the game. There's guys like Joel Bitonio, who is also terrific and a natural kickass-er.
kickass-er. ?
Then there's Austin Corbett, who didn't play like Bitonio, but played more like 300 lbs of oleo. Flugels - I can talk to him about him having played OL, and you can freaking hear over the phone - how he loved the game, and the kickass fire he had.
There's soft Cameron Irving. Had the ability big-time, but it seems to me the fire and intensity was never there.
So, in conclusion, how does anybody tell when a Jones or Peart or whoever/any other player has that drive..or not?
Is my stupid mock pick of Josh Jones - more like Cameron Irving or Joe Thomas? I think he has that fire, and he's very smart.
If only Andrew Thomas would fall to the Browns - I won't have to find out.
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Hey... at least I tinted my reply...
Draft is moving along nicely.
I'll certainly call out the drafts I like.
? Classic stuff!
Something tells me he wants a little more Eddie Haskell from you along the lines of... "That's a GREAT pick Mr Cleaver. Your draft looks very nice today!" What he doesn't want to hear is.. "And by the way, I just broke your all your basement windows..."
? Classic stuff!
Something tells me he wants a little more Eddie Haskell from you along the lines of... "That's a GREAT pick Mr Cleaver. Your draft looks very nice today!" What he doesn't want to hear is.. "And by the way, I just broke your all your basement windows..."
Boy, you got that backward. He wants to be the object of the Eddie Haskell fawning.
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"Hi ya, Squirt."
And what exactly are you insinuating by that?!?!?!?
I'm talking about Gips. He gets pissed off when people don't stick to his subject headings and then he hi-jacks other people's threads and gets in 10 page arguments with people on something that has nothing to do with the subject heading he invaded.
If it only happened once or twice, it wouldn't be an issue but he does it all the time to people.
I'm talking about Gips. He gets pissed off when people don't stick to his subject headings and then he hi-jacks other people's threads and gets in 10 page arguments with people on something that has nothing to do with the subject heading he invaded.
If it only happened once or twice, it wouldn't be an issue but he does it all the time to people.
Actually....I don't. It is others that go off thread because they, for some reason have this obsession with everything I say, and if I make some slight error of fact (I put 1000 facts a week up on here, and maybe one of them is off) or if I misread someone's intent...then it is a major crisis in their life for which they must ruminate about incessantly...
So, I don't take things off track much.....I just follow them when they do.
Like you did right here.
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Honestly - it's "I ask a dumb question time" lol...
Peart is one of those guys I read up on, watch some film and go "what the heck"....
and I am NOT trying to pick on him at all.
He looks the part, plays the part, to me. But then you read stuff from other folks who criticize him.
like:
https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2020/03/26/2020-nfl-draft-matt-peart-scouting-report/
and
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2020-nfl-draft-uconn-offensive-tackle-matt-peart/
"There is one aspect of the game Peart lacks that is a major red flag – a killer instinct and nasty attitude. In three years of watching his film, I’ve never seen him look like a blocker hellbent on finishing off opponents, playing through the whistle, or working to finish blocks.
That is a problem many are aware of.
Entering the season, Peart was graded by scouts as early as a fourth-round pick to as late as a sixth-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. I was consistent in my assessment of the senior – he was a fifth-round prospect who had enough playing ability to move into the second round if he picked up the intensity.
I’ve yet to see it happen in 2019. "
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so, what is there about drafting a player that blows the doors off expectations, and other guys who just don't make it? I keep thinking it's internal drive - intensity - love for the game...and not all players have it. There's Joe Thomas, who didn't miss one snap in thousands and thousands? LOL ! That's serious kick-ass love for the game. There's guys like Joel Bitonio, who is also terrific and a natural kickass-er.
kickass-er. ?
Then there's Austin Corbett, who didn't play like Bitonio, but played more like 300 lbs of oleo. Flugels - I can talk to him about him having played OL, and you can freaking hear over the phone - how he loved the game, and the kickass fire he had.
There's soft Cameron Irving. Had the ability big-time, but it seems to me the fire and intensity was never there.
So, in conclusion, how does anybody tell when a Jones or Peart or whoever/any other player has that drive..or not?
Is my stupid mock pick of Josh Jones - more like Cameron Irving or Joe Thomas? I think he has that fire, and he's very smart.
If only Andrew Thomas would fall to the Browns - I won't have to find out.
"There is one aspect of the game Peart lacks that is a major red flag – a killer instinct and nasty attitude. In three years of watching his film, I’ve never seen him look like a blocker hellbent on finishing off opponents, playing through the whistle, or working to finish blocks. "
I think the answer to your concerns is capsulized in tia's really well considered, summary write-up...
He might not be absolutely devastating in the running game, but he does a good job positioning himself and leveraging his man inside or kicking him out. Anchors well enough when bull rushed. Not a pure power guy, but he can hold his ground without being bullied. Uses his long arms to his advantage and rarely lets rushers into his chest. So far, looks like mid round gold.
In short... Peart's not a physical mauler, but that's not a killer in a ZBS-centric Offense.
It is certainly not a trait you seek, if you run a power/gap scheme...
... but ZBS? Well you can work with that.
Goalline situations? Just run the other way... which you're likely to do anyway behind Bito.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Plus you can always draft Netane Muti (what a great name) to put next to Peart...
Word on him is he has more than enough "mean" to supply one side of the line.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Plus you can always draft Netane Muti (what a great name) to put next to Peart...
Word on him is he has more than enough "mean" to supply one side of the line.
Plus you can always draft Netane Muti (what a great name)
If Muti can stay on the field? Is he any better than Will Hernandez tape coming out of school.. in your opinion?
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If Muti can stay on the field? Is he any better than Will Hernandez tape coming out of school.. in your opinion?
Yes... I think he can be the next Yanda/Scherff...
I hate highlight vids, but this one is a hoot! You do NOT want to let this guy see your ribs..
Weird opening, but let it roll...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Even in a ZBS, primarily a IZS, I want my guards to be able to win inside with their drive blocks when called on. At some point, especially in goal to go situations, you're going to have to move the LOS.
Which is one of reasons I liked what I watched of Kevin Dotson. I like bigger bodies in the middle who might not be Bito, but can move well enough.
However I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of that mauler nature on the ends for wingspan, footwork, leverage and pass pro.
If we run OZ, I need to know that the tackle as the read point can move well enough to not be a liability laterally and (ideally) be able to reach block closed ends should the ball carrier keep pushing outside.
Pearts case highlights my wants over worries type scenario.
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I guess I just don't see it with Kareem. He doesn't really have the speed to consistency threaten the edge, he doesn't have the speed to power to win back inside either. He seems.... slow. Off the snap that is. No real "suddenness" to his first step. Uses his hands ok enough I guess? But doesn't really punish blockers by driving into them or even past them. Also questionable and sometimes completely non-existent bend to help take the edge. Really does a poor job minimizing surface area and tends to present his whole body for blockers to strike at. He just doesn't seem to have any one particular weapon in his arsenal that stands out to hang his hat on. He's slow on twists and stunts, and I question his speed as the weak/open end because he never seems to be able to crash down from the backside to finish off a tackle on ball carriers that are dancing behind the line. I can't remember the last time I watched a "meh" kind of cloned edge rusher. He may one day develop into someone who contributes in a type of rotation or deep backup role? But there's nothing in 3 games I've seen where I say "Ok, I saw THIS flash" at any point. Then we can build off of that. He's just one of those bodies who is "there". At the collegiate level he won't hurt your team, but he sure as hell ain't going to get you over the top either. I just don't see that translating to hidden potential next level.
So.... yeah. No offense, but that's my 2 cents on him.
edit: But I will tell you who jumps out on occasion from that Notre Dame defense when I watched - #40, the linebacker. Had to look him up - Drew White. Keep an eye on him in the time to come.
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I guess I just don't see it with Kareem. He doesn't really have the speed to consistency threaten the edge, he doesn't have the speed to power to win back inside either. He seems.... slow. Off the snap that is. No real "suddenness" to his first step. Uses his hands ok enough I guess? But doesn't really punish blockers by driving into them or even past them. Also questionable and sometimes completely non-existent bend to help take the edge. Really does a poor job minimizing surface area and tends to present his whole body for blockers to strike at. He just doesn't seem to have any one particular weapon in his arsenal that stands out to hang his hat on. He's slow on twists and stunts, and I question his speed as the weak/open end because he never seems to be able to crash down from the backside to finish off a tackle on ball carriers that are dancing behind the line. I can't remember the last time I watched a "meh" kind of cloned edge rusher. He may one day develop into someone who contributes in a type of rotation or deep backup role? But there's nothing in 3 games I've seen where I say "Ok, I saw THIS flash" at any point. Then we can build off of that. He's just one of those bodies who is "there". At the collegiate level he won't hurt your team, but he sure as hell ain't going to get you over the top either. I just don't see that translating to hidden potential next level.
So.... yeah. No offense, but that's my 2 cents on him.
edit: But I will tell you who jumps out on occasion from that Notre Dame defense when I watched - #40, the linebacker. Had to look him up - Drew White. Keep an eye on him in the time to come.
I guess I just don't see it with Kareem. He doesn't really have the speed to consistency threaten the edge, he doesn't have the speed to power to win back inside either. He seems.... slow. Off the snap that is. No real "suddenness" to his first step. Uses his hands ok enough I guess? But doesn't really punish blockers by driving into them or even past them. Also questionable and sometimes completely non-existent bend to help take the edge. Really does a poor job minimizing surface area and tends to present his whole body for blockers to strike at. He just doesn't seem to have any one particular weapon in his arsenal that stands out to hang his hat on. He's slow on twists and stunts, and I question his speed as the weak/open end because he never seems to be able to crash down from the backside to finish off a tackle on ball carriers that are dancing behind the line. I can't remember the last time I watched a "meh" kind of cloned edge rusher. He may one day develop into someone who contributes in a type of rotation or deep backup role? But there's nothing in 3 games I've seen where I say "Ok, I saw THIS flash" at any point. Then we can build off of that. He's just one of those bodies who is "there". At the collegiate level he won't hurt your team, but he sure as hell ain't going to get you over the top either. I just don't see that translating to hidden potential next level.
So.... yeah. No offense, but that's my 2 cents on him.
edit: But I will tell you who jumps out on occasion from that Notre Dame defense when I watched - #40, the linebacker. Had to look him up - Drew White. Keep an eye on him in the time to come.
I had a similar take. What's your take on Zuniga? I love the kids burst but I dont really see much after that. Developmental guy perhaps?
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"There is one aspect of the game Peart lacks that is a major red flag – a killer instinct and nasty attitude. In three years of watching his film, I’ve never seen him look like a blocker hellbent on finishing off opponents, playing through the whistle, or working to finish blocks. "
I think the answer to your concerns is capsulized in tia's really well considered, summary write-up...
He might not be absolutely devastating in the running game, but he does a good job positioning himself and leveraging his man inside or kicking him out. Anchors well enough when bull rushed. Not a pure power guy, but he can hold his ground without being bullied. Uses his long arms to his advantage and rarely lets rushers into his chest. So far, looks like mid round gold.
In short... Peart's not a physical mauler, but that's not a killer in a ZBS-centric Offense.
It is certainly not a trait you seek, if you run a power/gap scheme...
... but ZBS? Well you can work with that.
Goalline situations? Just run the other way... which you're likely to do anyway behind Bito.
I think the answer to your concerns is capsulized in tia's really well considered, summary write-up...
In short... Peart's not a physical mauler, but that's not a killer in a ZBS-centric Offense.
It is certainly not a trait you seek, if you run a power/gap scheme...
... but ZBS? Well you can work with that.
Goalline situations? Just run the other way... which you're likely to do anyway behind Bito.
Another thing I like about the 1 film I saw of Peart vrs UCF was how well he pulled from his RT spot all the way to the left edge of the formation (this was when they were down 28-0 in terms of where in the video you can find it). And I think anyone that watches the entire video will not see a "soft" player at all. No matter what the score/situation was - Peart played extremely well under adversity. Tia put together a nice summary on the guy for us. We often talk about feet, punch, pad height, hips/lateral movement, etc when we discuss OL. I often simplify it down to what I used to teach kids at the Freshman football level in high school in terms of what I look for in a prospect to determine if he's clay we can mold or not. I told kids these are the 5 winning ingredients that can give you delicious football on every play...
1) Head Up (until the play is over) - Peart does this well vrs UCF
2) Get there first (always be first to contact) - Peart did this, which is why I liked what I saw in him. Scrappy kid.
3) Establish and maintain Ideal pad height. Doing so, effectively recruits help of the hips and legs. Not doing so, forfeits your hips/legs and good luck with that. Peart did this very well for a guy that's 6'7". We used to do a board drill that proved #2-5 correct.
4) Keep a wide base with feet (to prevent over-extension). Peart does this on the video, which is yet another thing that makes him effective.
5) Don't stop until you hear the whistle. There's countless examples of Peart doing this.
This is a very good prospect for a zbs - in spite of the reality he's not a LT yet. The numbers below are for John Greco mostly to illustrate he was primarily a backup for his 1st 4 years in the NFL. Finally in 2012, his experience level had him good enough to crack into our starting line-up. In 2014, Kyle Shanahan brought the zbs to our offense and it really became the most compatible scheme fit for his skill set producing his very best football IMO. If we do draft Peart to be our future LT, I think the zbs will expedite his learning curve. It's also possible we could offer a 1 year contract to a veteran FA LT. We shall see.
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd AV 2008 23 STL rg 79 9 1 1 14 0 14 14.0 14 1 2009 24 STL rg 11 3 0 1 2010 25 STL 79 6 0 0 0 2011 26 CLE 77 15 0 0 0 2012 27 CLE LG 77 14 10 0 5 2013 28 CLE LG/rg 77 14 14 0 5 2014 29 CLE c/RG 77 16 16 0 6 2015 30 CLE RG 77 14 14 0 5 2016 31 CLE c/RG 77 12 12 0 5 -
I guess I just don't see it with Kareem. He doesn't really have the speed to consistency threaten the edge, he doesn't have the speed to power to win back inside either. He seems.... slow. Off the snap that is. No real "suddenness" to his first step. Uses his hands ok enough I guess? But doesn't really punish blockers by driving into them or even past them. Also questionable and sometimes completely non-existent bend to help take the edge. Really does a poor job minimizing surface area and tends to present his whole body for blockers to strike at. He just doesn't seem to have any one particular weapon in his arsenal that stands out to hang his hat on. He's slow on twists and stunts, and I question his speed as the weak/open end because he never seems to be able to crash down from the backside to finish off a tackle on ball carriers that are dancing behind the line. I can't remember the last time I watched a "meh" kind of cloned edge rusher. He may one day develop into someone who contributes in a type of rotation or deep backup role? But there's nothing in 3 games I've seen where I say "Ok, I saw THIS flash" at any point. Then we can build off of that. He's just one of those bodies who is "there". At the collegiate level he won't hurt your team, but he sure as hell ain't going to get you over the top either. I just don't see that translating to hidden potential next level.
So.... yeah. No offense, but that's my 2 cents on him.
edit: But I will tell you who jumps out on occasion from that Notre Dame defense when I watched - #40, the linebacker. Had to look him up - Drew White. Keep an eye on him in the time to come.
I had a similar take. What's your take on Zuniga? I love the kids burst but I dont really see much after that. Developmental guy perhaps?
I had a similar take. What's your take on Zuniga? I love the kids burst but I dont really see much after that. Developmental guy perhaps?
I was pleasantly surprised when I watched Zuni. Nothing overwhelming, but the kid does certain things really well.
- Initial strike on blockers looks like a solid "punch".
- He does a decent job using his arms to keep lineman from getting into his chest
- Reasonably quick disengage from potential blockers
- Shows some "get skinny" in the gaps to work past lineman.
- Decent first step.
- Flexability
Re: the last one. Florida uses him all over the formation. Base end, base 4/5 tech, sometimes as a 9 or wide edge then other times inside at a more conventional 3tech spot.
He didn't look dominant, but he showed more than enough potential to be drafted and a team to invest in a developmental type spot. Showed out quite well vs the right side of LSU's line.
edit: Maybe just a hair slower, but I felt I was watching Frostee Rucker at times.
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What's your take on Zuniga?
One of the Pobladores? Original settlors of Los Angeles? My take is that he started what would become a very big city. (third largest in N. America in fact, behind Mexico City and NYC.)
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I had a similar take. What's your take on Zuniga? I love the kids burst but I dont really see much after that. Developmental guy perhaps?
I was pleasantly surprised when I watched Zuni. Nothing overwhelming, but the kid does certain things really well.
- Initial strike on blockers looks like a solid "punch".
- He does a decent job using his arms to keep lineman from getting into his chest
- Reasonably quick disengage from potential blockers
- Shows some "get skinny" in the gaps to work past lineman.
- Decent first step.
- Flexability
Re: the last one. Florida uses him all over the formation. Base end, base 4/5 tech, sometimes as a 9 or wide edge then other times inside at a more conventional 3tech spot.
He didn't look dominant, but he showed more than enough potential to be drafted and a team to invest in a developmental type spot. Showed out quite well vs the right side of LSU's line.
edit: Maybe just a hair slower, but I felt I was watching Frostee Rucker at times.
I was pleasantly surprised when I watched Zuni.
Thought you might like him... has a couple things you can't teach and a couple you won't have to... which ain't bad for a Day-4 Edge.
If you have a minute look at a bargain basement kid, Syracuse's Kendall Coleman. Kid is pretty skilled, but doesn't have the physical gifts.
Also... has anybody looked at Chaisson? I never did as he just did not seem to be in the cards for us, but...
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