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  • T TexasAg1969

    One thing is clear from all models. Social distancing levels & compliance and length of time do matter.

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    GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    One thing is clear from all models. Social distancing levels & compliance and length of time do matter.

    No it's really not clear.

    The models as wrong as they were always have taken into account social distancing.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

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      One thing is clear from all models. Social distancing levels & compliance and length of time do matter.

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      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      @texasag1969 said:

      One thing is clear from all models. Social distancing levels & compliance and length of time do matter.

      Without a doubt.

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        @mld-woody said:

        In some cases it isn't, and some it is. If it is 51% or more of the reason someone died should it count as Corona?

        And honestly idk about obesity. Does that count as a pre-existing condition? 

        No. Just looked it up.

        Different preexisting conditions — including heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, and kidney disease — were found at varying rates among the patients who have died.

        Remember how Italy is being hit hard.

         Italy also reports about half of people who died with COVID-19 had three or more underlying conditions, while just 2% of deaths were in people with no preexisting ailments.

        https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/age-risk-severe-coronavirus-disease-69860317

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        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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        @gorka said:

        No. Just looked it up.

        Different preexisting conditions — including heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, and kidney disease — were found at varying rates among the patients who have died.

        Remember how Italy is being hit hard.

         Italy also reports about half of people who died with COVID-19 had three or more underlying conditions, while just 2% of deaths were in people with no preexisting ailments.

        https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/age-risk-severe-coronavirus-disease-69860317

        Right but what percentage of the population at large already has multiple pre existing conditions? How many people have 0 pre-existing conditions? I'm a healthy guy in his twenties but I have asthma. I imagine that counts.

        Without knowing the population numbers as a whole regarding pre-existing conditions that stat above doesn't help us.

        And then you could have diabetes and high blood pressure but expect to live another twenty years. Shouldn't Corona virus be listed as the cause of death?

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          @texasag1969 said:

          One thing is clear from all models. Social distancing levels & compliance and length of time do matter.

          No it's really not clear.

          The models as wrong as they were always have taken into account social distancing.

          https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

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          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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          @gorka said:

          No it's really not clear.

          The models as wrong as they were always have taken into account social distancing.

          https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

          It is though because it's the relative difference between two models showing different levels of social distancing that's important

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            @westside-steve said:

            https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/491217-when-computer-models-create-mayhem

            WSS

            An opinion piece that moves into some climate change denier territory

            The important take away is that the press will report more clickable numbers and people that don't know what they're looking at will eat it up. This doesn't discredit computer models or their purpose (or even their accuracy). It's just another example of taking the headline without the details or an understanding of the story and rolling with it 

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            @mld-woody said:

            An opinion piece that moves into some climate change denier territory

            How so?  *Questioning the input data of any given model makes you a "denier"?*  Well that's lazy terminology at best.

            *-Not a direct quote from Woody.  Implied only.

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              Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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              How many deaths that are normally attributed to seasonal flu, will now be credited as a Covid 19 statistic?

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                https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/06/americas-most-influential-coronavirus-model-just-revised-its-estimates-downward-not-every-model-agrees/

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                  How many deaths that are normally attributed to seasonal flu, will now be credited as a Covid 19 statistic?

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                  @canton-dawg said:

                  How many deaths that are normally attributed to seasonal flu, will now be credited as a Covid 19 statistic?

                  I presume they would have to test positive for covid to count.  If you have a combo of the two, you almost certainly will contribute to the covid death stats.

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                    How many deaths that are normally attributed to seasonal flu, will now be credited as a Covid 19 statistic?

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                    @canton-dawg said:

                    How many deaths that are normally attributed to seasonal flu, will now be credited as a Covid 19 statistic?

                    Conversely, since many believe this disease has been here for longer than we initially believe and it was an exceptionally bad flu season - how many deaths attributed to flu may have been covid? 

                    Door swings both ways.

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      One thing is clear from all models. Social distancing levels & compliance and length of time do matter.

                      No it's really not clear.

                      The models as wrong as they were always have taken into account social distancing.

                      https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

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                      T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                      @gorka said:

                      No it's really not clear.

                      The models as wrong as they were always have taken into account social distancing.

                      https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

                      In the link provided they discussed the percentage of people distancing. The smaller the % the worse the outcome.

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                        htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by htownbrown
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                        Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths (1).pdf

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                          @canton-dawg said:

                          How many deaths that are normally attributed to seasonal flu, will now be credited as a Covid 19 statistic?

                          Conversely, since many believe this disease has been here for longer than we initially believe and it was an exceptionally bad flu season - how many deaths attributed to flu may have been covid? 

                          Door swings both ways.

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                          @tiamat63 said:

                          Conversely, since many believe this disease has been here for longer than we initially believe and it was an exceptionally bad flu season - how many deaths attributed to flu may have been covid? 

                          Door swings both ways.

                          When you compare the number of deaths...that’s a very large door for seasonal flu.

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                            @tiamat63 said:

                            Conversely, since many believe this disease has been here for longer than we initially believe and it was an exceptionally bad flu season - how many deaths attributed to flu may have been covid? 

                            Door swings both ways.

                            When you compare the number of deaths...that’s a very large door for seasonal flu.

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                            tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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                            @canton-dawg said:

                            When you compare the number of deaths...that’s a very large door for seasonal flu.

                            When you extrapolate the number of deaths already vs over the course of a common flu season (about 20 weeks) the potential door for Covid was easily twice as large.       Some here will hate it and claim they were "right", but the social distance measures are clearly working.  We're seeing less cases per day already in parts of the country and rounding back into form faster than a smaller country such as Italy.  It's entirely possible we might have a real handle on this in a few weeks.   NYC, Detroit, Seattle, LA, DC... they're going to have a couple more rough weeks I'm sure. NYC especially as they just posted their highest single day death toll.              But it's very possibly we may look at a sense of normalcy for for many of us come May.     I attribute that to the hard work and "business like" attitude of so many Americans.   

                            Passed a years worth of H1N1 deaths in just under  3 weeks.    I'd say say we're very fortunate that we can see the glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel, even from right now.  Still going to be 15,000 dead by Friday.   Probably 30,000 before Summer even really kicks in.     But compared to what we were looking at, I guess it's something of a "relief".  Though I'm sure that brings no comfort those who lost somebody.

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                              T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                              Hopefully these efforts will put major dents in models. 

                              https://seekingalpha.com/news/3559589-pfizer-identifies-lead-covidminus-19-candidate?utm_medium=email&utm_source=seeking_alpha&mail_subject=pfe-pfizer-identifies-lead-covid-19-candidate&utm_campaign=rta-stock-news&utm_content=link-3

                              https://seekingalpha.com/news/3559645-pfizer-and-biontech-advancing-covidminus-19-vaccine-trials-imminent?utm_medium=email&utm_source=seeking_alpha&mail_subject=pfe-pfizer-and-biontech-advancing-covid-19-vaccine-trials-imminent&utm_campaign=rta-stock-news&utm_content=link-3

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                                And here is another that is used for head lice that shows some promise in early testing.

                                https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/ivermectin-lice-drug-virus/2020/04/08/id/962036/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM103883_04092020&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101023us024

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                                  And here is another that is used for head lice that shows some promise in early testing.

                                  https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/ivermectin-lice-drug-virus/2020/04/08/id/962036/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM103883_04092020&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101023us024

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                                  @texasag1969 said:

                                  And here is another that is used for head lice that shows some promise in early testing.

                                  https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/ivermectin-lice-drug-virus/2020/04/08/id/962036/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM103883_04092020&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101023us024

                                  "It is important to stress that no one should try to self-medicate with versions of Ivermectin that are for veterinary purposes or head lice," he says.

                                  Read Newsmax: Lice Drug Ivermectin Shown to Kill COVID-19 Within 48 Hours | Newsmax.com

                                  Meaning someone is bound to try it.  🙁  

                                  Hmmm could it be those anti parasite drugs (malaria is a parasite BTW) hydroxychloroquine be something that covid doesn't like?  

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                                    AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by
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                                    https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR2KL8ywu0sKFcQQ1Ut8rbszvsHW7VHdlrF93reYEmx569JWRzmgFvEONQI

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                                      https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR2KL8ywu0sKFcQQ1Ut8rbszvsHW7VHdlrF93reYEmx569JWRzmgFvEONQI

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                                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                      @axe said:

                                      https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR2KL8ywu0sKFcQQ1Ut8rbszvsHW7VHdlrF93reYEmx569JWRzmgFvEONQI

                                      Made my way to this article on that site

                                      https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/09/governor-bullock-mocks-christians-at-easter-with-executive-order-for-magical-easter-bunny/

                                      and their reaction tells me plenty about that site 

                                      getting worked up over that... claiming victimhood... geez

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                                        @axe said:

                                        https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR2KL8ywu0sKFcQQ1Ut8rbszvsHW7VHdlrF93reYEmx569JWRzmgFvEONQI

                                        Made my way to this article on that site

                                        https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/09/governor-bullock-mocks-christians-at-easter-with-executive-order-for-magical-easter-bunny/

                                        and their reaction tells me plenty about that site 

                                        getting worked up over that... claiming victimhood... geez

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                                        AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by Axe
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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        Made my way to this article on that site

                                        https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/09/governor-bullock-mocks-christians-at-easter-with-executive-order-for-magical-easter-bunny/

                                        and their reaction tells me plenty about that site 

                                        getting worked up over that... claiming victimhood... geez

                                        What the fuck are you talking about Sonny?

                                        Victimhood???

                                        Seriously, WTF is wrong with you?

                                        Wait,, maybe you can go back 4 yrs and look at my posts too.. Nothing bizarre about that

                                        Seriously son.. What is your problem..

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          Made my way to this article on that site

                                          https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/09/governor-bullock-mocks-christians-at-easter-with-executive-order-for-magical-easter-bunny/

                                          and their reaction tells me plenty about that site 

                                          getting worked up over that... claiming victimhood... geez

                                          What the fuck are you talking about Sonny?

                                          Victimhood???

                                          Seriously, WTF is wrong with you?

                                          Wait,, maybe you can go back 4 yrs and look at my posts too.. Nothing bizarre about that

                                          Seriously son.. What is your problem..

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                                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                          @axe said:

                                          What the fuck are you talking about Sonny?

                                          Victimhood???

                                          Seriously, WTF is wrong with you?

                                          Wait,, maybe you can go back 4 yrs and look at my posts too.. Nothing bizarre about that

                                          Seriously son.. What is your problem..

                                          Read the article. Montana governor creates a light hearted executive order about the Easter Bunny during COVID-19. The author of the clearly right wing site you posted feels though that this is just mocking christians. He called it cruel. "Saddened by this insensitive mockery."  "Uses  the resurrection of Jesus Christ as an impetus to make jokes." 

                                          Jesus christ... come on author. 

                                          But its nothing new. If this board has shown anything its that the groups that complain about other groups playing the victim card generally are completely blind to when they cry victim themselves.

                                          Also, it takes about 30 seconds to search for an old post. I've been here a while. I can remember when someone as outspoken as Cal says something as hypocritical as that. Again, takes no time at all to find it. 

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