Trent William's for a 3rd round pick...?
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Wirfs and Wills will be changing sides.
Thomas arguably has the most ability and played LT. Becton and Jones have the skill set but are probably more of a project than the others. We are all assuming these guys can fit the ZBS too.
I don’t see anyone of these guys beating out Peters or Williams right now. And if Williams...Big if...can be had for a third and not demand a crazy contract that straps us in two three years. I add him in a heartbeat.
Fair take, I hear ya. I'm 110% in on Andrew Thomas personally. If Williams was even 3 years younger, I'd definitely be on your side. I'd also be a little more on your side if our line wasn't already pretty strong. Pro-bowl C, G, RT and an anchor LT first round pick? Sign me up.
I think where we disagree a bit is I think all those dudes you mentioned would be day one ready, especially Thomas.
Fair take, I hear ya. I'm 110% in on Andrew Thomas personally. If Williams was even 3 years younger, I'd definitely be on your side. I'd also be a little more on your side if our line wasn't already pretty strong. Pro-bowl C, G, RT and an anchor LT first round pick? Sign me up.
I think where we disagree a bit is I think all those dudes you mentioned would be day one ready, especially Thomas.
“Ready” As in Better than what we saw week in and week out last year - yeah I’ll side with you there.
Most of the guys I mentioned are undergoing position changes and now they are all facing a much sterner test each week.
A rookie Left Tackle, Starting DB, or QB Not a place where you want to be baptized by fire.
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My guess is, if Thomas goes before ten, and Simmons is also gone, we definitely trade down. I think.
Goofy Mel Kiper has us taking Becton at ten... nah. How many times has Kiper been wrong?
I wonder what the odds are, that another team will trade ahead of the Browns to get the one immediate starter at LT, Thomas.
Then I will need that Kardiac Kids foam brick to throw at the tv.
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Not sure if If this is true or not, but here goes.
We trade our #1, #2, and #3 and give up Odel Beckum Jr, and in return we the #2 overall pick (more than likely Chase young) and Trent Williams.
Browns and Redskins still discussing this. I say sign me up right now.
What do you guys think?
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My guess is, if Thomas goes before ten, and Simmons is also gone, we definitely trade down. I think.
Goofy Mel Kiper has us taking Becton at ten... nah. How many times has Kiper been wrong?
I wonder what the odds are, that another team will trade ahead of the Browns to get the one immediate starter at LT, Thomas.
Then I will need that Kardiac Kids foam brick to throw at the tv.
My guess is, if Thomas goes before ten, and Simmons is also gone, we definitely trade down. I think.
Goofy Mel Kiper has us taking Becton at ten... nah. How many times has Kiper been wrong?
I wonder what the odds are, that another team will trade ahead of the Browns to get the one immediate starter at LT, Thomas.
Then I will need that Kardiac Kids foam brick to throw at the tv.
Yea, well, the problem is that no matter what all y'all think, no matter if people here say that Becton will be a bust, no matter how you all rate any of these players, ain't but 2 or 3 opinions that matter (well...I will give it 4-5: Berry/Depo/Stefanski/Haslam...and maybe some top scout.
To paraphrase Freddie Kitchens: If your name ain't one of them.....you don't matter!
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I think you have been drinking too much milk of the poppy.
Break it down more this way, into 2 parts or 2 separate trades:
A. You give up a 27 year old WR for a 32 year old tackle. (NOT a good value for us IMO)
B. Then you trade #10, #41 and #74 for #2
The trade value charts do no support this.....but in opposite ways:
JJ Chart: #2...2600 for 1300 + 490 + 220= 2010 Here, not a good deal for Wash.
The preferred Harvard Chart: #2 435.7 for 299.1 + 160.8 + 118.4 = 578.3 .....a shit deal for us.
So, as I see it, you are screwing us...in terms of the numbers.
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I think you have been drinking too much milk of the poppy.
Break it down more this way, into 2 parts or 2 separate trades:
A. You give up a 27 year old WR for a 32 year old tackle. (NOT a good value for us IMO)
B. Then you trade #10, #41 and #74 for #2
The trade value charts do no support this.....but in opposite ways:
JJ Chart: #2...2600 for 1300 + 490 + 220= 2010 Here, not a good deal for Wash.
The preferred Harvard Chart: #2 435.7 for 299.1 + 160.8 + 118.4 = 578.3 .....a shit deal for us.
So, as I see it, you are screwing us...in terms of the numbers.
I think you have been drinking too much milk of the poppy.
Break it down more this way, into 2 parts or 2 separate trades:
A. You give up a 27 year old WR for a 32 year old tackle. (NOT a good value for us IMO)
B. Then you trade #10, #41 and #74 for #2
The trade value charts do no support this.....but in opposite ways:
JJ Chart: #2...2600 for 1300 + 490 + 220= 2010 Here, not a good deal for Wash.
The preferred Harvard Chart: #2 435.7 for 299.1 + 160.8 + 118.4 = 578.3 .....a shit deal for us.
So, as I see it, you are screwing us...in terms of the numbers.
Yeah, I considered that. Not in as much detail though. But if you have Garret and Young on the edge, man. And Trent and Conklin playing tackles, Baker would be set. Throwing to Landry, Hooper, Njoku and perhaps we resign Higgins. Not to mention Chubb and Hunt at RB. We Stephanski loves to run the football. It just seems to have a winner written all over it.
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I think you have been drinking too much milk of the poppy.
Break it down more this way, into 2 parts or 2 separate trades:
A. You give up a 27 year old WR for a 32 year old tackle. (NOT a good value for us IMO)
B. Then you trade #10, #41 and #74 for #2
The trade value charts do no support this.....but in opposite ways:
JJ Chart: #2...2600 for 1300 + 490 + 220= 2010 Here, not a good deal for Wash.
The preferred Harvard Chart: #2 435.7 for 299.1 + 160.8 + 118.4 = 578.3 .....a shit deal for us.
So, as I see it, you are screwing us...in terms of the numbers.
Yeah, I considered that. Not in as much detail though. But if you have Garret and Young on the edge, man. And Trent and Conklin playing tackles, Baker would be set. Throwing to Landry, Hooper, Njoku and perhaps we resign Higgins. Not to mention Chubb and Hunt at RB. We Stephanski loves to run the football. It just seems to have a winner written all over it.
Yeah, I considered that. Not in as much detail though. But if you have Garret and Young on the edge, man. And Trent and Conklin playing tackles, Baker would be set. Throwing to Landry, Hooper, Njoku and perhaps we resign Higgins. Not to mention Chubb and Hunt at RB. We Stephanski loves to run the football. It just seems to have a winner written all over it.
Why, though, would Washington give up on the chance to get Young?
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My guess is, if Thomas goes before ten, and Simmons is also gone, we definitely trade down. I think.
Goofy Mel Kiper has us taking Becton at ten... nah. How many times has Kiper been wrong?
I wonder what the odds are, that another team will trade ahead of the Browns to get the one immediate starter at LT, Thomas.
Then I will need that Kardiac Kids foam brick to throw at the tv.
Yea, well, the problem is that no matter what all y'all think, no matter if people here say that Becton will be a bust, no matter how you all rate any of these players, ain't but 2 or 3 opinions that matter (well...I will give it 4-5: Berry/Depo/Stefanski/Haslam...and maybe some top scout.
To paraphrase Freddie Kitchens: If your name ain't one of them.....you don't matter!
Yea, well, the problem is that no matter what all y'all think, no matter if people here say that Becton will be a bust, no matter how you all rate any of these players, ain't but 2 or 3 opinions that matter (well...I will give it 4-5: Berry/Depo/Stefanski/Haslam...and maybe some top scout.
To paraphrase Freddie Kitchens: If your name ain't one of them.....you don't matter!
but I'll be wearing brown and orange, so I will matter.......
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Yeah, I considered that. Not in as much detail though. But if you have Garret and Young on the edge, man. And Trent and Conklin playing tackles, Baker would be set. Throwing to Landry, Hooper, Njoku and perhaps we resign Higgins. Not to mention Chubb and Hunt at RB. We Stephanski loves to run the football. It just seems to have a winner written all over it.
Why, though, would Washington give up on the chance to get Young?
Why, though, would Washington give up on the chance to get Young?
Someones wet dream went.. "SPLAT"
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Yeah, I considered that. Not in as much detail though. But if you have Garret and Young on the edge, man. And Trent and Conklin playing tackles, Baker would be set. Throwing to Landry, Hooper, Njoku and perhaps we resign Higgins. Not to mention Chubb and Hunt at RB. We Stephanski loves to run the football. It just seems to have a winner written all over it.
Why, though, would Washington give up on the chance to get Young?
Why, though, would Washington give up on the chance to get Young?
Yes, but think about what they'd be getting though. #10, #41, #74 and Odell Beckum Jr. I think that's more than enticing. And you would have to think we'd sign Trent to a 4 year deal. If it doesn't work out, but probably release him. Happens a lot in the NFL these days. I don't think this will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
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Why, though, would Washington give up on the chance to get Young?
Yes, but think about what they'd be getting though. #10, #41, #74 and Odell Beckum Jr. I think that's more than enticing. And you would have to think we'd sign Trent to a 4 year deal. If it doesn't work out, but probably release him. Happens a lot in the NFL these days. I don't think this will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
Yes, but think about what they'd be getting though. #10, #41, #74 and Odell Beckum Jr. I think that's more than enticing. And you would have to think we'd sign Trent to a 4 year deal. If it doesn't work out, but probably release him. Happens a lot in the NFL these days. I don't think this will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
I would be immensely surprised.
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From Trent's InstaGram account last nite...
Anyone fluent in emoji?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yeah not interested in this one. I think there’s more value in these first few rounds than eight spots in the first. Especially with the holes we have to fill.
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Even if you believe trading for Williams is crazy, this close to the draft the ask for Williams is likely draft pick No. 74 and possibly a later pick in 2021.
What are the chances the Browns draft an All-Pro caliber player at that pick? Yes, Williams has injury concerns, but being off the field for a year to heal properly may be just what he needed. Rob Gronkowski is in the same boat, and I’ll see is the excitement that he is now headed to Tampa Bay.
Also, if Williams is set on getting out of a bad situation what’s to say he won’t sign a shorter-term contract? If the Browns could lock Williams up in a contract like Jack Conklin (likely a few million more), they immediately improve their offensive line and keep cap space flexibility moving forward.
If healthy, which you must believe after not playing in 2019, Williams is a better performer than any of the top-four offensive line prospects. Don’t forget the kicker in this scenario, the Browns STILL have pick no. 10 in their pocket.
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/04/23/trent-williams-cleveland-browns-finally-happening/
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From Trent's InstaGram account last nite...
Anyone fluent in emoji?
A wild GUESS... 3 teams with eyes on him...praying on one.... edit--can we flip some skins picks? they own 2/no 2nd//3rd-66//4ths-108-142//a 5th-162//2 7th-216 &229??
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
I like Odell, but there's still a part of me that screams he doesn't want to be here. So why not trade up and get Young and Williams, if its true. However, if we keep him and he truly performs, I guess we cant complain there either.
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