Draft Grades
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Did anyone realize that the Browns have drafted 10% of the SEC players taken so far??
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Draft grades are only for the here and now. Something to talk about. They are based on filling needs and quality of player. Grades do not project or reflect the teams success. It can take years to know how good or bad a draft was.
That said, according to nfl.com straight A's across the board for the AFCN.
Draft grades are only for the here and now. Something to talk about. They are based on filling needs and quality of player. Grades do not project or reflect the teams success. It can take years to know how good or bad a draft was.
That said, according to nfl.com straight A's across the board for the AFCN.
If it is about filling needs....then the Browns did that so far, to a certain extent. Needed LT...got one. Needed safety...got one. Needed LB...got one. Needed some DL depth...got some.
The only question is: did we pick the right ones? Will Wills be better than Wirfs? Will Delpit be better than Winfield? Will Phillips be better than Harrison? Will Elliot be better than...whoever? Only time will tell on these....and on what grade this draft will really become.
Will Wills turn out close to Joe Thomas....or be Austin Corbett/Cam Erving like? Will Delpit be Eric Turner-ish....or Justin Gilbert-ish? Will Phillips be Mike Singletary....or Mike Junkin?
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Draft grades are only for the here and now. Something to talk about. They are based on filling needs and quality of player. Grades do not project or reflect the teams success. It can take years to know how good or bad a draft was.
That said, according to nfl.com straight A's across the board for the AFCN.
If it is about filling needs....then the Browns did that so far, to a certain extent. Needed LT...got one. Needed safety...got one. Needed LB...got one. Needed some DL depth...got some.
The only question is: did we pick the right ones? Will Wills be better than Wirfs? Will Delpit be better than Winfield? Will Phillips be better than Harrison? Will Elliot be better than...whoever? Only time will tell on these....and on what grade this draft will really become.
Will Wills turn out close to Joe Thomas....or be Austin Corbett/Cam Erving like? Will Delpit be Eric Turner-ish....or Justin Gilbert-ish? Will Phillips be Mike Singletary....or Mike Junkin?
If it is about filling needs....then the Browns did that so far, to a certain extent. Needed LT...got one. Needed safety...got one. Needed LB...got one. Needed some DL depth...got some.
The only question is: did we pick the right ones? Will Wills be better than Wirfs? Will Delpit be better than Winfield? Will Phillips be better than Harrison? Will Elliot be better than...whoever? Only time will tell on these....and on what grade this draft will really become.
Will Wills turn out close to Joe Thomas....or be Austin Corbett/Cam Erving like? Will Delpit be Eric Turner-ish....or Justin Gilbert-ish? Will Phillips be Mike Singletary....or Mike Junkin?
Yep. You elaborated on what I was saying. Teams are graded on how they filled needs, not how the drafts pan out because no one knows.
Browns get an A no doubt.
So when some say "it's to early" to give grades. It really not. They need to put it into perspective.
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Honestly.....grading a draft now is a completely useless proposition.
Honestly.....grading a draft now is a completely useless proposition.
Isn't that what mock drafts, draft projections, the draft itself and chat rooms like this one are basically all about ?
Grades, opinions, chat unless you think they are completely useless too, eh ?
......think about that before you comment. Hmmmm maybe every sports network is also completely useless, they all put out draft grades.
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Honestly.....grading a draft now is a completely useless proposition.
Isn't that what mock drafts, draft projections, the draft itself and chat rooms like this one are basically all about ?
Grades, opinions, chat unless you think they are completely useless too, eh ?
......think about that before you comment. Hmmmm maybe every sports network is also completely useless, they all put out draft grades.
Isn't that what mock drafts, draft projections, the draft itself and chat rooms like this one are basically all about ?
Grades, opinions, chat unless you think they are completely useless too, eh ?
......think about that before you comment. Hmmmm maybe every sports network is also completely useless, they all put out draft grades.
No. You are wrong. At least partially. Yes, doing a mock...beyond its primary purpose being to entertain, is a projection. And certainly the draft itself is a projection made by the teams based on how good they think these players will be. But giving that projection a grade before these players have put pencil to paper?
I don't know.....In my college and law school career I would have liked to have just "projected" what my grades would have been on my tests. Then I would have liked to have that grade assessed to me, and therefore I would not have had to take the test. Somehow my professors...nor the Dean of the school ...did not see it that way.
These players have to take their test...and however they perform....then we can grade it. That test consists of about 3 years playing in this league.
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there is absolutely nothing here to base a grade on when a bunch of college players have never laced up in the NFL.. 6-8 weeks gameday's in? yeah, we can talk..see ya than...
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there is absolutely nothing here to base a grade on when a bunch of college players have never laced up in the NFL.. 6-8 weeks gameday's in? yeah, we can talk..see ya than...
there is absolutely nothing here to base a grade on when a bunch of college players have never laced up in the NFL.. 6-8 weeks gameday's in? yeah, we can talk..see ya than...
That's why besides all of the time and money that every one of the 32 NFL teams pour into it it is still one of the biggest crap shoots in sports.
But they still do it because hits can be nice and misses can be disastrous......just ask the 1999 through 2017 Cleveland BROWNS.
But it's so much fun to do and forget about in week 10.
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FFS...
It's not a matter of "knowing". I can grade any time I want to... and so can anyone here.
Grades at this point are not simply based on whether "a need" was filled, but on how well it was filled.... not just based upon looking at the player taken, but on that player vs. other prospects playing the same position.
That's the basis... for now.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
FFS...
It's not a matter of "knowing". I can grade any time I want to... and so can anyone here.
Grades at this point are not simply based on whether "a need" was filled, but on how well it was filled.... not just based upon looking at the player taken, but on that player vs. other prospects playing the same position.
That's the basis... for now.
FFS...
It's not a matter of "knowing". I can grade any time I want to... and so can anyone here.
Grades at this point are not simply based on whether "a need" was filled, but on how well it was filled.... not just based upon looking at the player taken, but on that player vs. other prospects playing the same position.
That's the basis... for now.
But maybe we should ask Attorney Google first.....I heard he's some unelected part time night court judge in Farmville Ohio so he would know. (just kidding.
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Now back football grading !
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FFS...
It's not a matter of "knowing". I can grade any time I want to... and so can anyone here.
Grades at this point are not simply based on whether "a need" was filled, but on how well it was filled.... not just based upon looking at the player taken, but on that player vs. other prospects playing the same position.
That's the basis... for now.
But maybe we should ask Attorney Google first.....I heard he's some unelected part time night court judge in Farmville Ohio so he would know. (just kidding.
)
Now back football grading !
But maybe we should ask Attorney Google first.....I heard he's some unelected part time night court judge in Farmville Ohio so he would know. (just kidding.
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Now back football grading !
And what are you? A nobody doing nothing.
You have your fucking stupid opinions about stupid shit. I have mine...that I base on rationality.
"Grading a draft" at this point is nothing other than a basis for having some entertainment. Which I guess is fine. It is still useless in the long run.
At least I did try to do a Grade, 3-5 years down the line of past drafts. What have you done here besides talking about feeding your face.
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My early take... plan to spend some time with tape to see what revisions are needed...
1.10 - OT Jedrick Wills.... A ... solid pick, while there were other OTs with better skills in one area or another that I liked a shade better, Wills was at least my #2 in every area.
2.44 - S Grant Delpit ....... C+ . I don't like players with "ifs" on Day 2. There were other Safeties that were "if-less" in my book, Chinn/Davis, that could have been had later.
3.88 - IDL Jordan Elliott... C... ditto the above... except the remaining IDL value that I saw was even lower in the draft, but if his tech develops, then?
3.97 - LB Jacob Phillips... B- ... if he can cover, then maybe he can be as good as Schobert? I admit it, I wanted Harrison because I see more thump in him.
4-115-TE Harrison Bryant D ... no if here... I just don't get adding another one-dimensional TE. Plus has short-arms and not very agile... not Devalve-like as a receiver.
5-160 - C Nick Harris ....... B+ . nice scheme fit, very nice get-off... just has to get stronger... which is not an if.
6-187-WR Peoples-Jones..B- .. great Combine... if UM issues were due to QB play could approach "steal" status and in the 6th an if is OK...
Overall: B-... with UDFAs call it a B
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Wills ...... A ....best tackle in the draft...... Athleticism is off the chart, has the best O line coach in football to set him up for success at LT and also has a certain hall of famer for guidance.
Delpit ...... A ....... best safety in the draft ..Thorpe award winner... Tackling issues can be corrected and we have a really good DC for that ....was regarded as top 15 pick at the end of 2018 and played for most of 2019 with a high ankle sprain. ....during the play offs and championship game he did not miss a tackle
Elliott .... A ....... Pff had him in top 25 on their big board .....Steal of the draft ..... huge upside
Phillips .... B- .... Good run blocker, sucks in coverage ...... has a high motor but needs to improve in coverage or will get torched ...
Bryant ... A- ..... Plays like an over sized receiver and was the best TE in football in 2019 .... needs to bulk up a little for blocking duties, but wont see much of the field on running plays.
Harris ... B .... Flexibility means he can slot in at guard too ...undersized but has great technique ....team captain at Washington
Peoples Jones .... B+ ...... Some Browns fans on Twitter were upset we did not grab him in the 4th round and were horrified when we did not in the 5th ... vertical leap off the chart at the combine 44.5
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Wills ...... A ....best tackle in the draft...... Athleticism is off the chart, has the best O line coach in football to set him up for success at LT and also has a certain hall of famer for guidance.
Delpit ...... A ....... best safety in the draft ..Thorpe award winner... Tackling issues can be corrected and we have a really good DC for that ....was regarded as top 15 pick at the end of 2018 and played for most of 2019 with a high ankle sprain. ....during the play offs and championship game he did not miss a tackle
Elliott .... A ....... Pff had him in top 25 on their big board .....Steal of the draft ..... huge upside
Phillips .... B- .... Good run blocker, sucks in coverage ...... has a high motor but needs to improve in coverage or will get torched ...
Bryant ... A- ..... Plays like an over sized receiver and was the best TE in football in 2019 .... needs to bulk up a little for blocking duties, but wont see much of the field on running plays.
Harris ... B .... Flexibility means he can slot in at guard too ...undersized but has great technique ....team captain at Washington
Peoples Jones .... B+ ...... Some Browns fans on Twitter were upset we did not grab him in the 4th round and were horrified when we did not in the 5th ... vertical leap off the chart at the combine 44.5
Phillips .... B- .... Good run blocker, sucks in coverage ...... has a high motor but needs to improve in coverage or will get torched ...
I'd drop more of a C on this because the most athletic [read: Best in coverage] LB in the draft was still on the board and went next to BAL.
Phillips is simply not athletic enough to "improve" in coverage. He has straight-line speed, sure, but the lack of athleticism also affects him when blitzing because there's many vids of him losing contain to a "non-mobile" QB because he is physically unable to change direction to adjust for a spin
To be clear, I'm really happy that for the first time in a while the remotely questionable picks don't exist until the end of the 3rd.. But this is a swing and a miss.
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Jim Cobern and his purely data driven grades. It won’t interest some but will others.....food for thought for those that think the Ravens won the draft ?
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Jim Cobern and his purely data driven grades. It won’t interest some but will others.....food for thought for those that think the Ravens won the draft ?
Jim Cobern and his purely data driven grades. It won’t interest some but will others.....food for thought for those that think the Ravens won the draft ?
May I have a link, please, explaining methodology for "AAS" vs. "AAS Rank" in to this chart?
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My early take... plan to spend some time with tape to see what revisions are needed...
1.10 - OT Jedrick Wills.... A ... solid pick, while there were other OTs with better skills in one area or another that I liked a shade better, Wills was at least my #2 in every area.
2.44 - S Grant Delpit ....... C+ . I don't like players with "ifs" on Day 2. There were other Safeties that were "if-less" in my book, Chinn/Davis, that could have been had later.
3.88 - IDL Jordan Elliott... C... ditto the above... except the remaining IDL value that I saw was even lower in the draft, but if his tech develops, then?
3.97 - LB Jacob Phillips... B- ... if he can cover, then maybe he can be as good as Schobert? I admit it, I wanted Harrison because I see more thump in him.
4-115-TE Harrison Bryant D ... no if here... I just don't get adding another one-dimensional TE. Plus has short-arms and not very agile... not Devalve-like as a receiver.
5-160 - C Nick Harris ....... B+ . nice scheme fit, very nice get-off... just has to get stronger... which is not an if.
6-187-WR Peoples-Jones..B- .. great Combine... if UM issues were due to QB play could approach "steal" status and in the 6th an if is OK...
Overall: B-... with UDFAs call it a B
My early take... plan to spend some time with tape to see what revisions are needed...
1.10 - OT Jedrick Wills.... A ... solid pick, while there were other OTs with better skills in one area or another that I liked a shade better, Wills was at least my #2 in every area.
2.44 - S Grant Delpit ....... C+ . I don't like players with "ifs" on Day 2. There were other Safeties that were "if-less" in my book, Chinn/Davis, that could have been had later.
3.88 - IDL Jordan Elliott... C... ditto the above... except the remaining IDL value that I saw was even lower in the draft, but if his tech develops, then?
3.97 - LB Jacob Phillips... B- ... if he can cover, then maybe he can be as good as Schobert? I admit it, I wanted Harrison because I see more thump in him.
4-115-TE Harrison Bryant D ... no if here... I just don't get adding another one-dimensional TE. Plus has short-arms and not very agile... not Devalve-like as a receiver.
5-160 - C Nick Harris ....... B+ . nice scheme fit, very nice get-off... just has to get stronger... which is not an if.
6-187-WR Peoples-Jones..B- .. great Combine... if UM issues were due to QB play could approach "steal" status and in the 6th an if is OK...
Overall: B-... with UDFAs call it a B
Nice write up! At first, the D for Bryant seemed a little harsh until I got to your reasoning. I've posted more than a few times in the last year about wanting a dual purpose TE (one that doesn't tip off a tendency when he's in because he can block, catch AND get open).
At the other end of the spectrum, Charley Casserly thinks Harrison Bryant is the best pick made by anyone on Saturday (at 6:35 into the video).
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Is Casserly rockin' a rug???
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Jim Cobern and his purely data driven grades. It won’t interest some but will others.....food for thought for those that think the Ravens won the draft ?
May I have a link, please, explaining methodology for "AAS" vs. "AAS Rank" in to this chart?
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Wills ...... A ....best tackle in the draft...... Athleticism is off the chart, has the best O line coach in football to set him up for success at LT and also has a certain hall of famer for guidance.
Delpit ...... A ....... best safety in the draft ..Thorpe award winner... Tackling issues can be corrected and we have a really good DC for that ....was regarded as top 15 pick at the end of 2018 and played for most of 2019 with a high ankle sprain. ....during the play offs and championship game he did not miss a tackle
Elliott .... A ....... Pff had him in top 25 on their big board .....Steal of the draft ..... huge upside
Phillips .... B- .... Good run blocker, sucks in coverage ...... has a high motor but needs to improve in coverage or will get torched ...
Bryant ... A- ..... Plays like an over sized receiver and was the best TE in football in 2019 .... needs to bulk up a little for blocking duties, but wont see much of the field on running plays.
Harris ... B .... Flexibility means he can slot in at guard too ...undersized but has great technique ....team captain at Washington
Peoples Jones .... B+ ...... Some Browns fans on Twitter were upset we did not grab him in the 4th round and were horrified when we did not in the 5th ... vertical leap off the chart at the combine 44.5
Wills ...... A ....best tackle in the draft...... Athleticism is off the chart, has the best O line coach in football to set him up for success at LT and also has a certain hall of famer for guidance.
Delpit ...... A ....... best safety in the draft ..Thorpe award winner... Tackling issues can be corrected and we have a really good DC for that ....was regarded as top 15 pick at the end of 2018 and played for most of 2019 with a high ankle sprain. ....during the play offs and championship game he did not miss a tackle
Elliott .... A ....... Pff had him in top 25 on their big board .....Steal of the draft ..... huge upside
Phillips .... B- .... Good run blocker, sucks in coverage ...... has a high motor but needs to improve in coverage or will get torched ...
Bryant ... A- ..... Plays like an over sized receiver and was the best TE in football in 2019 .... needs to bulk up a little for blocking duties, but wont see much of the field on running plays.
Harris ... B .... Flexibility means he can slot in at guard too ...undersized but has great technique ....team captain at Washington
Peoples Jones .... B+ ...... Some Browns fans on Twitter were upset we did not grab him in the 4th round and were horrified when we did not in the 5th ... vertical leap off the chart at the combine 44.5
Interesting. Thanks Darren!
1 thing I didn't know about Phillips is that he led LSU in tackles with 113 last year. In comparison, Queen had 85. In the last 3 years, Queen only broke up 2 passes while Phillips was only slightly better with 5 pass breakups. Athlon's Draft Guide has Queen as the #2 rated ILB and Phillips as the OLB.
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