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  • S SdBacker80

    @the-gipper said:

    Honestly.....grading a draft now is a completely useless proposition.

    Absolutely i remember hearing how well we did when we got the next great NFL back and the most NFL ready QB in the first round.  
     

    most of us still have the draft scars to prove it 

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @sdbacker80 said:

    Absolutely i remember hearing how well we did when we got the next great NFL back and the most NFL ready QB in the first round.  
     

    most of us still have the draft scars to prove it 

    I assume you mean 2012 with  TR and Weeden. 

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      @sdbacker80 said:

      Absolutely i remember hearing how well we did when we got the next great NFL back and the most NFL ready QB in the first round.  
       

      most of us still have the draft scars to prove it 

      I assume you mean 2012 with  TR and Weeden. 

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      S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by SdBacker80
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      @the-gipper said:

      I assume you mean 2012 with  TR and Weeden. 

      Yep.  I feel like we have a lot of these horror stories in the Dark Ages 1999-2017.

      we did set the Ravens up with a Hall of Famer just before we left though 

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        @darren15 said:

        Been reading some this morning ... The Browns got grades varying from A to B-

        Some teams got a D
        Raiders, Packers

        Cowboys got a C from one grader for drafting Lamb instead of a defensive back or edge rusher

        I have no problem with Packers pick.  Someone on here made a great point about Rodgers contract in 2021 HUGE cap number.  He’s 36 too.  There are plenty of WRs and weapons to be had later in the draft 

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        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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        @sdbacker80 said:

        Someone

        Geesh... what's a guy gotta do around here... 😉

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          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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          And the grade of all grades is in..

          NFL obliterates old TV ratings record for draft, with 37 percent increase from last year

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-obliterates-old-tv-ratings-record-for-draft-with-37-percent-increase-from-last-year/ar-BB139G9d?ocid=spartandhp

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            And the grade of all grades is in..

            NFL obliterates old TV ratings record for draft, with 37 percent increase from last year

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-obliterates-old-tv-ratings-record-for-draft-with-37-percent-increase-from-last-year/ar-BB139G9d?ocid=spartandhp

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            VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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            @tour2ma said:

            And the grade of all grades is in..

            NFL obliterates old TV ratings record for draft, with 37 percent increase from last year

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-obliterates-old-tv-ratings-record-for-draft-with-37-percent-increase-from-last-year/ar-BB139G9d?ocid=spartandhp

            Everyone is home and most don't have to work the following day after the NFL stretches 32 picks to four damn hours. Lol

            AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month)
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              @tour2ma said:

              And the grade of all grades is in..

              NFL obliterates old TV ratings record for draft, with 37 percent increase from last year

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-obliterates-old-tv-ratings-record-for-draft-with-37-percent-increase-from-last-year/ar-BB139G9d?ocid=spartandhp

              Everyone is home and most don't have to work the following day after the NFL stretches 32 picks to four damn hours. Lol

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              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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              @vagitron said:

              Everyone is home and most don't have to work the following day after the NFL stretches 32 picks to four damn hours. Lol

              But...that is down from like 5 hours, which has been normal.  

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                @vagitron said:

                Everyone is home and most don't have to work the following day after the NFL stretches 32 picks to four damn hours. Lol

                But...that is down from like 5 hours, which has been normal.  

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                VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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                @the-gipper said:

                But...that is down from like 5 hours, which has been normal.  

                The first round? I don’t think it’s ever run that long. They milked the shit out of it yesterday.

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                  @the-gipper said:

                  But...that is down from like 5 hours, which has been normal.  

                  The first round? I don’t think it’s ever run that long. They milked the shit out of it yesterday.

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                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                  @vagitron said:

                  The first round? I don’t think it’s ever run that long. They milked the shit out of it yesterday.

                  Yes it has your memory is just faulty. 

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                    @tour2ma said:

                    And the grade of all grades is in..

                    NFL obliterates old TV ratings record for draft, with 37 percent increase from last year

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-obliterates-old-tv-ratings-record-for-draft-with-37-percent-increase-from-last-year/ar-BB139G9d?ocid=spartandhp

                    Everyone is home and most don't have to work the following day after the NFL stretches 32 picks to four damn hours. Lol

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                    @vagitron said:

                    Everyone is home and most don't have to work the following day after the NFL stretches 32 picks to four damn hours. Lol

                    Uh oh...I just liked a Steeler Fan's post. What the hell lol

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                      GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by Gorka
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                      Draft grades are only for the here and now. Something to talk about. They are based on filling needs and quality of player. Grades do not project or reflect the teams success. It can take years to know how good or bad a draft was.

                      That said, according to nfl.com straight A's across the board for the AFCN.

                      http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001111377/article/2020-nfl-draft-day-2-quicksnap-grades-for-all-32-teams

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                        Did anyone realize that the Browns have drafted 10% of the SEC players taken so far??

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                          Draft grades are only for the here and now. Something to talk about. They are based on filling needs and quality of player. Grades do not project or reflect the teams success. It can take years to know how good or bad a draft was.

                          That said, according to nfl.com straight A's across the board for the AFCN.

                          http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001111377/article/2020-nfl-draft-day-2-quicksnap-grades-for-all-32-teams

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                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                          @gorka said:

                          Draft grades are only for the here and now. Something to talk about. They are based on filling needs and quality of player. Grades do not project or reflect the teams success. It can take years to know how good or bad a draft was.

                          That said, according to nfl.com straight A's across the board for the AFCN.

                          http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001111377/article/2020-nfl-draft-day-2-quicksnap-grades-for-all-32-teams

                          If it is about filling needs....then the Browns did that so far, to a certain extent.   Needed LT...got one.  Needed safety...got one.  Needed LB...got one.  Needed some DL depth...got some.

                          The only question is:  did we pick the right ones?   Will Wills be better than Wirfs?   Will Delpit be better than Winfield?  Will Phillips be better than Harrison?  Will Elliot be better than...whoever?  Only time will tell on these....and on what grade this draft will really become. 

                          Will Wills turn out close to Joe Thomas....or be Austin Corbett/Cam Erving like?    Will Delpit be Eric Turner-ish....or Justin Gilbert-ish?  Will Phillips be Mike Singletary....or Mike Junkin? 

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                            @gorka said:

                            Draft grades are only for the here and now. Something to talk about. They are based on filling needs and quality of player. Grades do not project or reflect the teams success. It can take years to know how good or bad a draft was.

                            That said, according to nfl.com straight A's across the board for the AFCN.

                            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001111377/article/2020-nfl-draft-day-2-quicksnap-grades-for-all-32-teams

                            If it is about filling needs....then the Browns did that so far, to a certain extent.   Needed LT...got one.  Needed safety...got one.  Needed LB...got one.  Needed some DL depth...got some.

                            The only question is:  did we pick the right ones?   Will Wills be better than Wirfs?   Will Delpit be better than Winfield?  Will Phillips be better than Harrison?  Will Elliot be better than...whoever?  Only time will tell on these....and on what grade this draft will really become. 

                            Will Wills turn out close to Joe Thomas....or be Austin Corbett/Cam Erving like?    Will Delpit be Eric Turner-ish....or Justin Gilbert-ish?  Will Phillips be Mike Singletary....or Mike Junkin? 

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                            GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by Gorka
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                            @the-gipper said:

                            If it is about filling needs....then the Browns did that so far, to a certain extent.   Needed LT...got one.  Needed safety...got one.  Needed LB...got one.  Needed some DL depth...got some.

                            The only question is:  did we pick the right ones?   Will Wills be better than Wirfs?   Will Delpit be better than Winfield?  Will Phillips be better than Harrison?  Will Elliot be better than...whoever?  Only time will tell on these....and on what grade this draft will really become. 

                            Will Wills turn out close to Joe Thomas....or be Austin Corbett/Cam Erving like?    Will Delpit be Eric Turner-ish....or Justin Gilbert-ish?  Will Phillips be Mike Singletary....or Mike Junkin? 

                            Yep. You elaborated on what I was saying. Teams are graded on how they filled needs, not how the drafts pan out because no one knows.

                            Browns get an A no doubt.

                            So when some say "it's to early" to give grades. It really not. They need to put it into perspective.

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                              Honestly.....grading a draft now is a completely useless proposition.

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                              mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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                              @the-gipper said:

                              Honestly.....grading a draft now is a completely useless proposition.

                              Isn't that what mock drafts, draft projections, the draft itself and chat rooms like this one are basically all about ?

                              Grades, opinions, chat unless you think they are completely useless too, eh ?   😉

                              ......think about that before you comment.    Hmmmm maybe every sports network is also completely useless, they all put out draft grades.   😆

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                                @the-gipper said:

                                Honestly.....grading a draft now is a completely useless proposition.

                                Isn't that what mock drafts, draft projections, the draft itself and chat rooms like this one are basically all about ?

                                Grades, opinions, chat unless you think they are completely useless too, eh ?   😉

                                ......think about that before you comment.    Hmmmm maybe every sports network is also completely useless, they all put out draft grades.   😆

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                                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                @mjp28 said:

                                Isn't that what mock drafts, draft projections, the draft itself and chat rooms like this one are basically all about ?

                                Grades, opinions, chat unless you think they are completely useless too, eh ?   😉

                                ......think about that before you comment.    Hmmmm maybe every sports network is also completely useless, they all put out draft grades.   😆

                                No.  You are wrong.  At least partially.  Yes,  doing a mock...beyond its primary purpose being to entertain, is a projection.   And certainly the draft itself is a projection made by the teams based on how good they think these players will be.  But giving that projection a grade before these players have put pencil to paper?

                                I don't know.....In my college and law school career I would have liked to have just "projected" what my grades would have been on my tests.  Then I would have liked to have  that grade assessed to me, and therefore I would not have had to take the test.   Somehow my professors...nor the Dean of the school ...did not see it that way.

                                These players have to take their test...and however they perform....then we can grade it.  That test consists of about 3 years playing in this league. 

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                                  gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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                                  there is absolutely nothing here to base a grade on when a bunch of college players have never laced up in the NFL.. 6-8 weeks gameday's in? yeah, we can talk..see ya than...

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                                    there is absolutely nothing here to base a grade on when a bunch of college players have never laced up in the NFL.. 6-8 weeks gameday's in? yeah, we can talk..see ya than...

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                                    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                                    @gumby73 said:

                                    there is absolutely nothing here to base a grade on when a bunch of college players have never laced up in the NFL.. 6-8 weeks gameday's in? yeah, we can talk..see ya than...

                                    That's why besides all of the time and money that every one of the 32 NFL teams pour into it it is still one of the biggest crap shoots in sports.

                                    But they still do it because hits can be nice and misses can be disastrous......just ask the 1999 through 2017 Cleveland BROWNS.

                                    But it's so much fun to do and forget about in week 10.

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                                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                      FFS...

                                      It's not a matter of "knowing". I can grade any time I want to... and so can anyone here.

                                      Grades at this point are not simply based on whether "a need" was filled, but on how well it was filled.... not just based upon looking at the player taken, but on that player vs. other prospects playing the same position.

                                      That's the basis... for now.

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                                        FFS...

                                        It's not a matter of "knowing". I can grade any time I want to... and so can anyone here.

                                        Grades at this point are not simply based on whether "a need" was filled, but on how well it was filled.... not just based upon looking at the player taken, but on that player vs. other prospects playing the same position.

                                        That's the basis... for now.

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                                        mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                                        @tour2ma said:

                                        FFS...

                                        It's not a matter of "knowing". I can grade any time I want to... and so can anyone here.

                                        Grades at this point are not simply based on whether "a need" was filled, but on how well it was filled.... not just based upon looking at the player taken, but on that player vs. other prospects playing the same position.

                                        That's the basis... for now.

                                        But maybe we should ask Attorney Google first.....I heard he's some unelected part time night court judge in Farmville Ohio so he would know.  (just kidding. 😉)

                                        Now back football grading !

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                                          @tour2ma said:

                                          FFS...

                                          It's not a matter of "knowing". I can grade any time I want to... and so can anyone here.

                                          Grades at this point are not simply based on whether "a need" was filled, but on how well it was filled.... not just based upon looking at the player taken, but on that player vs. other prospects playing the same position.

                                          That's the basis... for now.

                                          But maybe we should ask Attorney Google first.....I heard he's some unelected part time night court judge in Farmville Ohio so he would know.  (just kidding. 😉)

                                          Now back football grading !

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                                          @mjp28 said:

                                          But maybe we should ask Attorney Google first.....I heard he's some unelected part time night court judge in Farmville Ohio so he would know.  (just kidding. 😉)

                                          Now back football grading !

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                                          And what are you?    A nobody doing nothing.  

                                          You have your fucking stupid opinions about stupid shit.   I have mine...that I base on rationality.

                                          "Grading a draft"  at this point is nothing other than a basis for having some entertainment.  Which I guess is fine. It is still useless in the long run.

                                          At least I did try to do a Grade,  3-5 years down the line of past drafts.   What have you done here besides talking about feeding  your face. 

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