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  • Higgins went weeks where there was no report of Berry, Steph et al showing interest in re-signing him, and I never heard that there was a problem with $ that was keeping them apart in negotiations. Yet it seems that this FO was cool to him also.

    It seems that it might have been something that went up as far as Haslam in terms of something he did which has caused 2 FO's to cool their jets with him. And the fact that it has never leaked kind of confirms its seriousness and was more than just pissing off Freddie.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I get the impression we still haven't found out what was going on behind the scenes. 

    How much more than he "called plays that were not in that week's game plan" do you need to find out?

    @tour2ma said:

    How much more than he "called plays that were not in that week's game plan" do you need to find out?

    Is that even remotely close to what I'm talking about? 

    The answer is no, it is not. 

  • I’m guessing Higgins dropped his asking price with the Browns. It seems reasonable that when he first set out as a FA he would seek a contract that was higher than the vet minimum. I seriously doubt he instructed his agent to find him a team that would pay him the least amount of money possible.

  • @tour2ma said:

    How much more than he "called plays that were not in that week's game plan" do you need to find out?

    Is that even remotely close to what I'm talking about? 

    The answer is no, it is not. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Is that even remotely close to what I'm talking about? 

    The answer is no, it is not. 

    Seemed pretty damn close to me...

    If not Freddie's "competence" what were you talking about?

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Is that even remotely close to what I'm talking about? 

    The answer is no, it is not. 

    Seemed pretty damn close to me...

    If not Freddie's "competence" what were you talking about?

    @tour2ma said:

    Seemed pretty damn close to me...

    If not Freddie's "competence" what were you talking about?

    He was talking about what was going on between Higgins and the coach/locker room/owners whatever. We don't know that. We know Freddie was over his head. 

  • @poeticg said:

    OBJ, Landry, Higgins, DPJ looks like a good 1-4 WR group to me!

    Is it?

    Really all seem kinda the same to me... I mean obviously they have discernible skill levels, but all have more or less the same physical make up.

    I really see a need for a smallish, uber-elusive, Edelman type. It's one of the reason I jumped on Ags' Duvernay bandwagon.

    @tour2ma said:

    Is it?

    Really all seem kinda the same to me... I mean obviously they have discernible skill levels, but all have more or less the same physical make up.

    I really see a need for a smallish, uber-elusive, Edelman type. It's one of the reason I jumped on Ags' Duvernay bandwagon.

    With Steph running a lot of 2 TE sets I see less of a need of a Duvernay type of receiver.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Is it?

    Really all seem kinda the same to me... I mean obviously they have discernible skill levels, but all have more or less the same physical make up.

    I really see a need for a smallish, uber-elusive, Edelman type. It's one of the reason I jumped on Ags' Duvernay bandwagon.

    With Steph running a lot of 2 TE sets I see less of a need of a Duvernay type of receiver.

    @barry said:

    With Steph running a lot of 2 TE sets I see less of a need of a Duvernay type of receiver.

    We need bodies period. We have depth pretty much everywhere but WR and LB 

    OBJ has an injury history.  Landry is coming off of a surgery.  God forbid one or even both go down.  
     

    Hodge? Nah. Taylor? Nah. Ratley? Is okay. DPJ in Year 1? Not ready for substantial playing time is my guess. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Is it?

    Really all seem kinda the same to me... I mean obviously they have discernible skill levels, but all have more or less the same physical make up.

    I really see a need for a smallish, uber-elusive, Edelman type. It's one of the reason I jumped on Ags' Duvernay bandwagon.

    With Steph running a lot of 2 TE sets I see less of a need of a Duvernay type of receiver.

    @barry said:

    With Steph running a lot of 2 TE sets I see less of a need of a Duvernay type of receiver.

    TBH... more 12 sets increase the need of a small quick WR to my mind.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Seemed pretty damn close to me...

    If not Freddie's "competence" what were you talking about?

    He was talking about what was going on between Higgins and the coach/locker room/owners whatever. We don't know that. We know Freddie was over his head. 

    @nero said:

    He was talking about what was going on between Higgins and the coach/locker room/owners

    Well since only one of the underlined changed...

  • OBJ, Juice, Hollywood, DPJ, Njoku, Cooper, Hunt and Chubb. 

    Mayfield better be ready to step it up. It's all on him. 

  • OBJ, Juice, Hollywood, DPJ, Njoku, Cooper, Hunt and Chubb. 

    Mayfield better be ready to step it up. It's all on him. 

    @poeticg said:

    OBJ, Juice, Hollywood, DPJ, Njoku, Cooper, Hunt and Chubb. 

    Mayfield better be ready to step it up. It's all on him. 

    No way you should count on Peeps any more than you should count on Ratley.  Both were like  6th round picks....backups.  We now have our proven  3rd stringer in the fold....anything these other backup WRs give us would be pure gravy. 

  • OBJ, Juice, Hollywood, DPJ, Njoku, Cooper, Hunt and Chubb. 

    Mayfield better be ready to step it up. It's all on him. 

    @poeticg said:

    OBJ, Juice, Hollywood, DPJ, Njoku, Cooper, Hunt and Chubb. 

    Mayfield better be ready to step it up. It's all on him. 

    And 'we think' he will not have the OL as an excuse this year.

  • @poeticg said:

    OBJ, Juice, Hollywood, DPJ, Njoku, Cooper, Hunt and Chubb. 

    Mayfield better be ready to step it up. It's all on him. 

    And 'we think' he will not have the OL as an excuse this year.

    @orion said:

    And 'we think' he will not have the OL as an excuse this year.

    If the Browns OLine is a problem after spending a boatload of money on Conklin and using the #10 overall pick on Wills, the Browns are in deep doo-doo. 

  • @orion said:

    And 'we think' he will not have the OL as an excuse this year.

    If the Browns OLine is a problem after spending a boatload of money on Conklin and using the #10 overall pick on Wills, the Browns are in deep doo-doo. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    If the Browns OLine is a problem after spending a boatload of money on Conklin and using the #10 overall pick on Wills, the Browns are in deep doo-doo. 

    Well, yeah.  You never 'really' know how a draft pick will work out.  But, in theory, we've pretty much fixed the OL (although RG still has question marks).

  • @dutch-oven said:

    If the Browns OLine is a problem after spending a boatload of money on Conklin and using the #10 overall pick on Wills, the Browns are in deep doo-doo. 

    Well, yeah.  You never 'really' know how a draft pick will work out.  But, in theory, we've pretty much fixed the OL (although RG still has question marks).

    @orion said:

    Well, yeah.  You never 'really' know how a draft pick will work out.  But, in theory, we've pretty much fixed the OL (although RG still has question marks).

    I know there has been complaints that OLinemen in the last decade have struggled coming into the NFL even more than usual, because of the offenses most colleges run. 

    A lot of college OLinemen aren't real hip to one-on-one straight up I'm going to pound your ass into the ground blocking. 

  • @orion said:

    Well, yeah.  You never 'really' know how a draft pick will work out.  But, in theory, we've pretty much fixed the OL (although RG still has question marks).

    I know there has been complaints that OLinemen in the last decade have struggled coming into the NFL even more than usual, because of the offenses most colleges run. 

    A lot of college OLinemen aren't real hip to one-on-one straight up I'm going to pound your ass into the ground blocking. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    A lot of college OLinemen aren't real hip to one-on-one straight up I'm going to pound your ass into the ground blocking.

    Fortunately, and supposedly, the guy that WE drafted seems to have that kind of attitude built into his dna.

  • @poeticg said:

    OBJ, Juice, Hollywood, DPJ, Njoku, Cooper, Hunt and Chubb. 

    Mayfield better be ready to step it up. It's all on him. 

    And 'we think' he will not have the OL as an excuse this year.

    @orion said:

    And 'we think' he will not have the OL as an excuse this year.

    Starting talent is much improved.

    Depth?

     Well...

    Have I mentioned the starting talent is much improved? 🙂

  • @orion said:

    And 'we think' he will not have the OL as an excuse this year.

    Starting talent is much improved.

    Depth?

     Well...

    Have I mentioned the starting talent is much improved? 🙂

    @tour2ma said:

    Depth?

    Well, Hubbard has been signed on as depth.  I'm not sure how much that counts however.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Depth?

    Well, Hubbard has been signed on as depth.  I'm not sure how much that counts however.

    @orion said:

    Well, Hubbard has been signed on as depth.  I'm not sure how much that counts however.

    Nick Harris could also be depth.   If he isn't Austin Corbett  redux. 

  • @orion said:

    Well, Hubbard has been signed on as depth.  I'm not sure how much that counts however.

    Nick Harris could also be depth.   If he isn't Austin Corbett  redux. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Nick Harris could also be depth.   If he isn't Austin Corbett  redux. 

    I'd be somewhat surprised if he's a starter this season unless there's a rash of injuries, but who are the candidates for the RG spot?