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  • BaconHound B One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    At the right price wouldn’t mind seeing him as a backup to Baker

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      OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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      🙂  I just mentioned this in the free agent thread.

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        IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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        Wow, they couldn’t get anything for him? Not even a low draft pick? I didn’t think he was that bad. 

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          Wow, they couldn’t get anything for him? Not even a low draft pick? I didn’t think he was that bad. 

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          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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          @ibleedbrown said:

          Wow, they couldn’t get anything for him? Not even a low draft pick? I didn’t think he was that bad. 

          Well, when you consider that  Winston and Newton were also essentially just let go without much in the way of takers, then the Bengals not getting anything for Dalton is not surprising. 

          Issue is:  where does he land.    To Bacon Hound:   no, he won't fit here.  We have Keenum who is a Stefanski favorite.  And 3rd string Gilbert.   I don't see him here. 

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            Case Keenum is far the greater backup qb, imho.

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              @ibleedbrown said:

              Wow, they couldn’t get anything for him? Not even a low draft pick? I didn’t think he was that bad. 

              Well, when you consider that  Winston and Newton were also essentially just let go without much in the way of takers, then the Bengals not getting anything for Dalton is not surprising. 

              Issue is:  where does he land.    To Bacon Hound:   no, he won't fit here.  We have Keenum who is a Stefanski favorite.  And 3rd string Gilbert.   I don't see him here. 

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              jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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              Well, when you consider that  Winston and Newton were also essentially just let go without much in the way of takers, then the Bengals not getting anything for Dalton is not surprising. 

              Issue is:  where does he land.    To Bacon Hound:   no, he won't fit here.  We have Keenum who is a Stefanski favorite.  And 3rd string Gilbert.   I don't see him here. 

              Talking heads in the sports media are all about Dalton heading to the Pats, but with their cap situation, I'm not sure how feasible or desirable that is.

              Dallas, perhaps? I could see if Dak continues his contract dispute, Jerrah might just say fuck it and sign Dalton as a bridge QB. Doesn't hurt that Dalton is from Texas and played at TCU, either.

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                At the right price wouldn’t mind seeing him as a backup to Baker

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                jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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                @baconhound said:

                At the right price wouldn’t mind seeing him as a backup to Baker

                As a Browns fan living near Cincinnati, and who's seen Dalton's work first hand, he's definitely not worth the $18m/year just to be a backup.

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                  @baconhound said:

                  At the right price wouldn’t mind seeing him as a backup to Baker

                  As a Browns fan living near Cincinnati, and who's seen Dalton's work first hand, he's definitely not worth the $18m/year just to be a backup.

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                  mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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                  @jbluhm86 said:

                  As a Browns fan living near Cincinnati, and who's seen Dalton's work first hand, he's definitely not worth the $18m/year just to be a backup.

                  Still when the next quarterback panic hits like injuries and retirements hit teams will way overpay for anyone in a single digits or teens jersey number that can throw the ball.

                  A wave of retirements is on the horizon even with the newer don't touch the QB and WR rules.

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                    @baconhound said:

                    At the right price wouldn’t mind seeing him as a backup to Baker

                    As a Browns fan living near Cincinnati, and who's seen Dalton's work first hand, he's definitely not worth the $18m/year just to be a backup.

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                    BarryB Barry wrote on last edited by
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                    @jbluhm86 said:

                    he's definitely not worth the $18m/year just to be a backup.

                    This, plus the fact that it is a buyer's market right now. On a related note, it's surprising that Chicago hasn't made a play for any Qb yet.

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                      @baconhound said:

                      At the right price wouldn’t mind seeing him as a backup to Baker

                      As a Browns fan living near Cincinnati, and who's seen Dalton's work first hand, he's definitely not worth the $18m/year just to be a backup.

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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                      @jbluhm86 said:

                      As a Browns fan living near Cincinnati, and who's seen Dalton's work first hand, he's definitely not worth the $18m/year just to be a backup.

                      I am not of the belief that any team is required to honor that contract if they were to pick him up.  In a trade?  Yes.  But not now that he is basically on the street. 

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                        @jbluhm86 said:

                        he's definitely not worth the $18m/year just to be a backup.

                        This, plus the fact that it is a buyer's market right now. On a related note, it's surprising that Chicago hasn't made a play for any Qb yet.

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                        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                        @barry said:

                        This, plus the fact that it is a buyer's market right now. On a related note, it's surprising that Chicago hasn't made a play for any Qb yet.

                        Uh, Uhmm....they traded for Nick Foles...don't you call that  "play" for a QB?   And still have Trubisky. 

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                          @jbluhm86 said:

                          As a Browns fan living near Cincinnati, and who's seen Dalton's work first hand, he's definitely not worth the $18m/year just to be a backup.

                          Still when the next quarterback panic hits like injuries and retirements hit teams will way overpay for anyone in a single digits or teens jersey number that can throw the ball.

                          A wave of retirements is on the horizon even with the newer don't touch the QB and WR rules.

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                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                          @mjp28 said:

                          Still when the next quarterback panic hits like injuries and retirements hit teams will way overpay for anyone in a single digits of teens jersey number that can throw the ball.

                          A wave of retirements is on the horizon even with the newer don't touch the QB and WR rules.

                          Yep.  started with Eli.  Then we will have Brady, Brees,  BR, Rivers.   Green Bay as we have seen is making preparations for post-Rodgers life. 

                          Jags seem to be in Tank for Trevor mode, somewhat. (doing fair job of rebuilding a lot of the rest of the team....but doing nothing about QB.)

                          Pats are in "move on mode" now....but to where/which direction. 

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                            @barry said:

                            This, plus the fact that it is a buyer's market right now. On a related note, it's surprising that Chicago hasn't made a play for any Qb yet.

                            Uh, Uhmm....they traded for Nick Foles...don't you call that  "play" for a QB?   And still have Trubisky. 

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                            BarryB Barry wrote on last edited by
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                            @the-gipper said:

                            Uh, Uhmm....they traded for Nick Foles...don't you call that  "play" for a QB?   And still have Trubisky. 

                            Nick Foles has never played more than half a season 6 out of 8 seasons. He is currently listed as Trubisky's back-up. Two years ago the Bears won 12 games and Trubisky sucks. No, I don't call that a play for a starting calibre Qb.

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                              Case Keenum is far the greater backup qb, imho.

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                              Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              Case Keenum is far the greater backup qb, imho.

                              Agree... while Andy would still strongly prefer to start, Case can content himself with being a backup. I don't see Andy being there yet.

                              @jbluhm86 said:

                              Talking heads in the sports media are all about Dalton heading to the Pats, but with their cap situation, I'm not sure how feasible or desirable that is.

                              Bill won't woo Andy with $$$... he'll woo him with Lombardis...

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                                Wow, they couldn’t get anything for him? Not even a low draft pick? I didn’t think he was that bad. 

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                                @ibleedbrown said:

                                Wow, they couldn’t get anything for him? Not even a low draft pick? I didn’t think he was that bad. 

                                He's mostly bad when it matters the most (in the 4th Q and in big games). But, that's hardly ideal for a QB. ?

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  Uh, Uhmm....they traded for Nick Foles...don't you call that  "play" for a QB?   And still have Trubisky. 

                                  Nick Foles has never played more than half a season 6 out of 8 seasons. He is currently listed as Trubisky's back-up. Two years ago the Bears won 12 games and Trubisky sucks. No, I don't call that a play for a starting calibre Qb.

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                                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                  @barry said:

                                  Nick Foles has never played more than half a season 6 out of 8 seasons. He is currently listed as Trubisky's back-up. Two years ago the Bears won 12 games and Trubisky sucks. No, I don't call that a play for a starting calibre Qb.

                                  Well, sorry, everyone else on planet earth would.  

                                  So, OK....he is not starting caliber  (you spelled it calibre...are you British?)......he is  Championship, Super Bowl MVP  caliber. 

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                                    Well.. This is pure DUMBASSERY" on Cincitucky's part.... You don't dump your current starter just because you drafted a kid with potential... For all they know..... He could turn out to be Ryan Leaf.. But there's a reason why I call them "The Bungholios"

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                                      Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                                      If Keenum wasn't here, I'd sign him if I were the Browns in a second. He'd be a great backup QB.

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                                        Well.. This is pure DUMBASSERY" on Cincitucky's part.... You don't dump your current starter just because you drafted a kid with potential... For all they know..... He could turn out to be Ryan Leaf.. But there's a reason why I call them "The Bungholios"

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                                        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                        @nickers said:

                                        Well.. This is pure DUMBASSERY" on Cincitucky's part.... You don't dump your current starter just because you drafted a kid with potential... For all they know..... He could turn out to be Ryan Leaf.. But there's a reason why I call them "The Bungholios"

                                        I thought it was "Cintucky"... oh well...

                                        Don't forget Finley was their starter for much of early 2019... of course in part that is how they were in position to draft Burrow.

                                        Only thing I can think is that Andy, perhaps by his mere presence, was so divisive in his backup role in 2019 that they knew they'd be better off with him gone. Plus if there are growing pains, then so be it... not as if a rookie QB vs. Dalton is the difference between making the playoffs or not. He hasn't made that difference in four years.

                                        Plus there's also that there is 0% chance Burrow is Ryan Leaf-ish...

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                                          Well.. This is pure DUMBASSERY" on Cincitucky's part.... You don't dump your current starter just because you drafted a kid with potential... For all they know..... He could turn out to be Ryan Leaf.. But there's a reason why I call them "The Bungholios"

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                                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                                          @nickers said:

                                          Well.. This is pure DUMBASSERY" on Cincitucky's part.... You don't dump your current starter just because you drafted a kid with potential... For all they know..... He could turn out to be Ryan Leaf.. But there's a reason why I call them "The Bungholios"

                                          Well, that is a fair point.  However, I think the move was as much of a financial move as it was anything else.   They have Ryan Finley  to backup Burrow. I guess they want to go that route, for a while.

                                          And while I don't think Burrow will bust on the order of Ryan Leaf or  Jamarcus Russell......I could not say that there is NO chance that he could be in the Sam Bradford, Alex Smith,  David Carr category.   Not that I am expecting that,  it would just not be surprising to me. 

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