The official Terry Pluto thread
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I think one of the ways this draft stands out is that players were chosen if they fit the system, almost to a total disregard of the weaknesses they had in other areas.
In any draft, with almost every player, you obviously have their strengths and weaknesses. But it seems the gulf between the strengths and weaknesses with some of the players we took are a lot larger than the 'average' selection. The 'glass is half-full' crowd, like Pluto, says we had alignment in values, a plan, and stuck with it, etc. The flip side of that is that, in our system, one hopes that we are able to hide the deficiencies of the players we chose. Of course every team tries to do that but it may be that we will need to do that more than the average team:
Wills- Thought by many to be the best OT prospect available. We depended on Callahan a lot, according to Pluto, in getting info as to how easy it would be to have him change sides. While Callahan has done it with a player before, the fact remains that not many tackles have switched sides in the pros. He fits our system, but this is not a 'plug-and-play' situation, and there is considerable risk here.
Delpit- Maybe the best example. His coverage and center field skills are extraordinary. His tackling is horrendous, minus a small stretch of playoff games. What that means is that every time we see him in a one-on-one tackling situation we will be holding our breath, until he proves otherwise. This is a high risk, high reward situation. But it is not the same high risk, high reward like you see when you choose a player in an early round whom you see has great potential if you can teach him (JaMarcus Russell being one of the best and most well-known example). Delpit is a guy who fits the system of pass defense but once you get outside that area there is a big gulf.
Harris doesn't have the extreme polar situations which Wills and Delpit potentially have, but it can reasonably be said, imo, that if the Browns didn't have a zone blocking scheme as their system, that Harris would have been a poor pick, as his key attributes are attributed mostly to his ability to play in a zone blocking scheme.
It has been said that the Bryant pick was a bit of a surprise, and that if we weren't planning to run a 2 (or 3) TE set much of the time, that he wouldn't have been selected. That seems pretty obvious as his main skill is running routes and catching the ball. He isn't going to be put in to block or provide run support. He might fall into a more typical 'strengths and weaknesses' profile.
Teams choose players who fit their system. That's nothing new. We chose a few players, though, that are almost two different players in one. Right now, before any of theses guys play, we can congratulate the Browns for having a coordinated plan and sticking to it. Compared to past drafts, that alone is cause for celebration. And if their plan works, then we can really congratulate them.
Sorry to quote the whole thing (I hate when people do that)...but you made so many good points.
We had a draft plan and pretty much stuck to it. - Something that Freddie didn't do with his offensive play calling.
Wills being a RT and the switch to LT not being easy. - I agree. Berry says, Tackles are Tackles....and that defenses put their best pass rusher in different spots along the DLine. But that doesn't mean that the positions are the same. Wills would not be the first RT not able to make the switch to LT. (and I'm NOT saying that he WILL fail....just that it's not a given). But even if he cannot adequately handle the LT spot, Concklin has played LT.
Delpit - IMO we've always failed miserably at covering good TE's. I think Stef knows the value of good TE's and he wants to try to stop other teams from doing to us what he wants to do to them with his own TE's.
Harris - I think he was selected as a future Center. But for now he can be depth at C & G. Perhaps, if he shows well, he could be the RG.
Bryant - Well, Stef loves TE's. And apparently the guy can catch. Of course we have Hooper & Njoku, so, I'm also wondering who is gonna be the blocking TE's...and how many of them will we have? Unless the FB will be a blocking TE....
Sorry to quote the whole thing (I hate when people do that)...but you made so many good points.
We had a draft plan and pretty much stuck to it. - Something that Freddie didn't do with his offensive play calling.
Wills being a RT and the switch to LT not being easy. - I agree. Berry says, Tackles are Tackles....and that defenses put their best pass rusher in different spots along the DLine. But that doesn't mean that the positions are the same. Wills would not be the first RT not able to make the switch to LT. (and I'm NOT saying that he WILL fail....just that it's not a given). But even if he cannot adequately handle the LT spot, Concklin has played LT.
Delpit - IMO we've always failed miserably at covering good TE's. I think Stef knows the value of good TE's and he wants to try to stop other teams from doing to us what he wants to do to them with his own TE's.
Harris - I think he was selected as a future Center. But for now he can be depth at C & G. Perhaps, if he shows well, he could be the RG.
Bryant - Well, Stef loves TE's. And apparently the guy can catch. Of course we have Hooper & Njoku, so, I'm also wondering who is gonna be the blocking TE's...and how many of them will we have? Unless the FB will be a blocking TE....
Thanks for the kudos. If I sounded pessimistic I didn't intend to. I am generally optimistic about this group but just wanted to note the concerns. I think what's different about this draft is that in the past we were worried about whether a player's ability would translate to the pros. With this draft I don't think many people question the talent is there at the pro level. It's just making sure that it fits the scheme as well it seems it will.
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Sorry to quote the whole thing (I hate when people do that)...but you made so many good points.
We had a draft plan and pretty much stuck to it. - Something that Freddie didn't do with his offensive play calling.
Wills being a RT and the switch to LT not being easy. - I agree. Berry says, Tackles are Tackles....and that defenses put their best pass rusher in different spots along the DLine. But that doesn't mean that the positions are the same. Wills would not be the first RT not able to make the switch to LT. (and I'm NOT saying that he WILL fail....just that it's not a given). But even if he cannot adequately handle the LT spot, Concklin has played LT.
Delpit - IMO we've always failed miserably at covering good TE's. I think Stef knows the value of good TE's and he wants to try to stop other teams from doing to us what he wants to do to them with his own TE's.
Harris - I think he was selected as a future Center. But for now he can be depth at C & G. Perhaps, if he shows well, he could be the RG.
Bryant - Well, Stef loves TE's. And apparently the guy can catch. Of course we have Hooper & Njoku, so, I'm also wondering who is gonna be the blocking TE's...and how many of them will we have? Unless the FB will be a blocking TE....
Thanks for the kudos. If I sounded pessimistic I didn't intend to. I am generally optimistic about this group but just wanted to note the concerns. I think what's different about this draft is that in the past we were worried about whether a player's ability would translate to the pros. With this draft I don't think many people question the talent is there at the pro level. It's just making sure that it fits the scheme as well it seems it will.
in the past we were worried about whether a player's ability would translate to the pros.
You can say that again!
You didn't sound pessimistic to me. - I'm pessimistic. That way I don't get so disappointed.
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You can say that again!
You didn't sound pessimistic to me. - I'm pessimistic. That way I don't get so disappointed.
I lived in Boston for 7 years- before the Sox won the W.S. for the first time in 1,000 years. I know that New England pessimism! ?
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Your distant education is sadly lacking.
You'll have to forgive me for not being a student of 50's football. It's practically not even the same game and hasn't been as much for at least 30 years.
You'll have to forgive me for not being a student of 50's football. It's practically not even the same game and hasn't been as much for at least 30 years.
Don't worry. The closer the approach to 75 the less other people remember. LOL!??
Here is a radio broadcast of the end of the Texas - Ark game in 1969. Kern Tips was the radio guy doing the verbal broadcast for people who could not actually see the game you see here. And he is calling this through just eyes and binoculars since he cannot see the TV images you see. He was the radio voice of SW Conference football from the 50-70s. You will hear the name Koy called as a Texas halfback on the play after this long pass. Ted Koy played TE for mainly the Bills.
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You'll have to forgive me for not being a student of 50's football. It's practically not even the same game and hasn't been as much for at least 30 years.
Don't worry. The closer the approach to 75 the less other people remember. LOL!??
Here is a radio broadcast of the end of the Texas - Ark game in 1969. Kern Tips was the radio guy doing the verbal broadcast for people who could not actually see the game you see here. And he is calling this through just eyes and binoculars since he cannot see the TV images you see. He was the radio voice of SW Conference football from the 50-70s. You will hear the name Koy called as a Texas halfback on the play after this long pass. Ted Koy played TE for mainly the Bills.
Don't worry. The closer the approach to 75 the less other people remember. LOL!??
Here is a radio broadcast of the end of the Texas - Ark game in 1969. Kern Tips was the radio guy doing the verbal broadcast for people who could not actually see the game you see here. And he is calling this through just eyes and binoculars since he cannot see the TV images you see. He was the radio voice of SW Conference football from the 50-70s. You will hear the name Koy called as a Texas halfback on the play after this long pass. Ted Koy played TE for mainly the Bills.
FYI, there was not a black kid on either team there in 1969. Segregation in its last gasp in the south at that point. Even though integration was forced on Alabama U when James Meredith was enrolled there a few years earlier, and even though a guy named OJ Simpson was tearing up college football, those southern football teams would still not integrate. But, when Alabama got pounded by USC....and particularly by Sam Bam Cunningham.....Bear Bryant finally determined that he had to go get him some black boys to play for him.
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I lived in Boston for 7 years- before the Sox won the W.S. for the first time in 1,000 years. I know that New England pessimism! ?
That is not "pessimism" that is whinyassbitchism. Boston's basketball team had been winning a ton of titles; their hockey team had won titles. And by 2004 their football team had won a couple of titles. And look since how many titles each of those Boston area teams have won. They are overprivileged little cuntholes is what they are, not "pessimists".
Now, in Cleveland, we have pessimism. The football team not appearing in a title game since 1964. Then the 1997 and 2016 7th game extra inning losses in the World Series. It has waned a bit since the Cavs won in 2016....but its still there big time, really. When the Browns and Indians win...then maybe it will go away.
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I lived in Boston for 7 years- before the Sox won the W.S. for the first time in 1,000 years. I know that New England pessimism! ?
That is not "pessimism" that is whinyassbitchism. Boston's basketball team had been winning a ton of titles; their hockey team had won titles. And by 2004 their football team had won a couple of titles. And look since how many titles each of those Boston area teams have won. They are overprivileged little cuntholes is what they are, not "pessimists".
Now, in Cleveland, we have pessimism. The football team not appearing in a title game since 1964. Then the 1997 and 2016 7th game extra inning losses in the World Series. It has waned a bit since the Cavs won in 2016....but its still there big time, really. When the Browns and Indians win...then maybe it will go away.
That is not "pessimism" that is whinyassbitchism. Boston's basketball team had been winning a ton of titles; their hockey team had won titles. And by 2004 their football team had won a couple of titles. And look since how many titles each of those Boston area teams have won. They are overprivileged little cuntholes is what they are, not "pessimists".
Now, in Cleveland, we have pessimism. The football team not appearing in a title game since 1964. Then the 1997 and 2016 7th game extra inning losses in the World Series. It has waned a bit since the Cavs won in 2016....but its still there big time, really. When the Browns and Indians win...then maybe it will go away.
Ok. What you say is true. You still need to double your Valium dosage though ( j/k!) ?
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Don't worry. The closer the approach to 75 the less other people remember. LOL!??
Here is a radio broadcast of the end of the Texas - Ark game in 1969. Kern Tips was the radio guy doing the verbal broadcast for people who could not actually see the game you see here. And he is calling this through just eyes and binoculars since he cannot see the TV images you see. He was the radio voice of SW Conference football from the 50-70s. You will hear the name Koy called as a Texas halfback on the play after this long pass. Ted Koy played TE for mainly the Bills.
FYI, there was not a black kid on either team there in 1969. Segregation in its last gasp in the south at that point. Even though integration was forced on Alabama U when James Meredith was enrolled there a few years earlier, and even though a guy named OJ Simpson was tearing up college football, those southern football teams would still not integrate. But, when Alabama got pounded by USC....and particularly by Sam Bam Cunningham.....Bear Bryant finally determined that he had to go get him some black boys to play for him.
FYI, there was not a black kid on either team there in 1969. Segregation in its last gasp in the south at that point. Even though integration was forced on Alabama U when James Meredith was enrolled there a few years earlier, and even though a guy named OJ Simpson was tearing up college football, those southern football teams would still not integrate. But, when Alabama got pounded by USC....and particularly by Sam Bam Cunningham.....Bear Bryant finally determined that he had to go get him some black boys to play for him.
Hayden Fry of SMU was the icebreaker in the mid-60s for the SWC with Jerry Levias, born about 6 months before I was in our hometown of Beaumont, Texas. A second round pick of the old AFL by the Oilers. Now works for the Texans as a PR "Ambassador". There was another player at Baylor who came in the same year (1966) named John Westbrook. Levias was 1st team SWC all 3 eligible years and AA his senior year. Think speed and hands.
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That is not "pessimism" that is whinyassbitchism. Boston's basketball team had been winning a ton of titles; their hockey team had won titles. And by 2004 their football team had won a couple of titles. And look since how many titles each of those Boston area teams have won. They are overprivileged little cuntholes is what they are, not "pessimists".
Now, in Cleveland, we have pessimism. The football team not appearing in a title game since 1964. Then the 1997 and 2016 7th game extra inning losses in the World Series. It has waned a bit since the Cavs won in 2016....but its still there big time, really. When the Browns and Indians win...then maybe it will go away.
Ok. What you say is true. You still need to double your Valium dosage though ( j/k!) ?
Ok. What you say is true. You still need to double your Valium dosage though ( j/k!) ?
That was my Valium dose
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Don't worry. The closer the approach to 75 the less other people remember. LOL!??
Here is a radio broadcast of the end of the Texas - Ark game in 1969. Kern Tips was the radio guy doing the verbal broadcast for people who could not actually see the game you see here. And he is calling this through just eyes and binoculars since he cannot see the TV images you see. He was the radio voice of SW Conference football from the 50-70s. You will hear the name Koy called as a Texas halfback on the play after this long pass. Ted Koy played TE for mainly the Bills.
FYI, there was not a black kid on either team there in 1969. Segregation in its last gasp in the south at that point. Even though integration was forced on Alabama U when James Meredith was enrolled there a few years earlier, and even though a guy named OJ Simpson was tearing up college football, those southern football teams would still not integrate. But, when Alabama got pounded by USC....and particularly by Sam Bam Cunningham.....Bear Bryant finally determined that he had to go get him some black boys to play for him.
FYI, there was not a black kid on either team there in 1969. Segregation in its last gasp in the south at that point. Even though integration was forced on Alabama U when James Meredith was enrolled there a few years earlier, and even though a guy named OJ Simpson was tearing up college football, those southern football teams would still not integrate. But, when Alabama got pounded by USC....and particularly by Sam Bam Cunningham.....Bear Bryant finally determined that he had to go get him some black boys to play for him.
There's a good documentary regarding the USC vs Alabama game, and it insinuates that Bear Bryant specifically scheduled that game knowing Alabama would lose so that their fans would see that if they want a great team, they needed to have black players.
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That was my Valium dose
I thought that was your Pamprin dose.?
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That was my Valium dose
I thought that was your Pamprin dose.?
I thought that was your Pamprin dose.?
I don't know that that is.
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I thought that was your Pamprin dose.?
I don't know that that is.
I don't know that that is.
Midol then? ?
https://www.yourhealthremedy.com/health-tips/midol-vs-pamprin/
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I don't know that that is.
Midol then? ?
https://www.yourhealthremedy.com/health-tips/midol-vs-pamprin/
Midol then? ?
https://www.yourhealthremedy.com/health-tips/midol-vs-pamprin/
Clearly you have more familiarity with this sort of thing than I do. So maybe you should ask yourself these questions.
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Midol then? ?
https://www.yourhealthremedy.com/health-tips/midol-vs-pamprin/
Clearly you have more familiarity with this sort of thing than I do. So maybe you should ask yourself these questions.
Clearly you have more familiarity with this sort of thing than I do. So maybe you should ask yourself these questions.
You must have visited the polyboard. Your MAGA style comebacks are getting poorer every time.?
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Clearly you have more familiarity with this sort of thing than I do. So maybe you should ask yourself these questions.
You must have visited the polyboard. Your MAGA style comebacks are getting poorer every time.?
You must have visited the polyboard. Your MAGA style comebacks are getting poorer every time.?
What makes you think these are "comebacks"? Since I have no clue what you have been talking about....as I said, you are just talking to yourself. Why don't you must move on to something that makes some sense.
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You must have visited the polyboard. Your MAGA style comebacks are getting poorer every time.?
What makes you think these are "comebacks"? Since I have no clue what you have been talking about....as I said, you are just talking to yourself. Why don't you must move on to something that makes some sense.
......... Since I have no clue what you have been talking about..
LOL! I'm not dumb enough to think you are that ignorant. Nice try though.?
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......... Since I have no clue what you have been talking about..
LOL! I'm not dumb enough to think you are that ignorant. Nice try though.?
LOL! I'm not dumb enough to think you are that ignorant. Nice try though.?
You may not be dumb enough to believe that but you are dumb enough to ..........
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LOL! I'm not dumb enough to think you are that ignorant. Nice try though.?
You may not be dumb enough to believe that but you are dumb enough to ..........
You may not be dumb enough to believe that but you are dumb enough to ..........try to convince a Trumpette he's ? a huge fraud.
FIFY and I admit it. Ain't no hope for 'em. ?
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