NFL / Covid Updates
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Let's do the math. The earth, on average, has about 156,000 deaths per day from all causes. Covid-19 deaths, year to date are 256,377. Today, there have been 126 days, year to date. This amounts to about 2,035 deaths per day, on average. That means that COVID-19 deaths amount to about 1.3% of all global deaths (2,035/156,000). Here is how this compares to WHO data from 2015. These are percentage of total deaths worldwide for each cause.
Heart disease = 15.5%
Stroke = 11.1%
Lower Respiratory Infections = 5.6%
COPD = 5.6%
Respiratory Cancers = 3.0%
Diabetes = 2.8%
Dementias = 2.7%
Diarrheal Diseases = 2.7%
Tuberculosis = 2.4%
Automobile accidents = 2.4%
You're twice as likely to die from a motor vehicle accident or from diarrhea than you are to die from COVID-19. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this pandemic.
Your thoughts?
Let's do the math. The earth, on average, has about 156,000 deaths per day from all causes. Covid-19 deaths, year to date are 256,377. Today, there have been 126 days, year to date. This amounts to about 2,035 deaths per day, on average. That means that COVID-19 deaths amount to about 1.3% of all global deaths (2,035/156,000). Here is how this compares to WHO data from 2015. These are percentage of total deaths worldwide for each cause.
Heart disease = 15.5%
Stroke = 11.1%
Lower Respiratory Infections = 5.6%
COPD = 5.6%
Respiratory Cancers = 3.0%
Diabetes = 2.8%
Dementias = 2.7%
Diarrheal Diseases = 2.7%
Tuberculosis = 2.4%
Automobile accidents = 2.4%
You're twice as likely to die from a motor vehicle accident or from diarrhea than you are to die from COVID-19. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this pandemic.
Your thoughts?
I did the math with Spain weeks ago. Looking at the death count every year, there are 1,200 deaths per day. With coronavirus, we have had 700 deaths per day for some days, and 500 deaths per day for many weeks. And those are the confirmed deaths by COVID, the ones that go to the statistics.
In my opinion, when something amounts for weeks as much the 42% of the normal death toll of a country where social distancing has been mandatory for months, it's scary. Morgues have been overworking.
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Let's do the math. The earth, on average, has about 156,000 deaths per day from all causes. Covid-19 deaths, year to date are 256,377. Today, there have been 126 days, year to date. This amounts to about 2,035 deaths per day, on average. That means that COVID-19 deaths amount to about 1.3% of all global deaths (2,035/156,000). Here is how this compares to WHO data from 2015. These are percentage of total deaths worldwide for each cause.
Heart disease = 15.5%
Stroke = 11.1%
Lower Respiratory Infections = 5.6%
COPD = 5.6%
Respiratory Cancers = 3.0%
Diabetes = 2.8%
Dementias = 2.7%
Diarrheal Diseases = 2.7%
Tuberculosis = 2.4%
Automobile accidents = 2.4%
You're twice as likely to die from a motor vehicle accident or from diarrhea than you are to die from COVID-19. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this pandemic.
Your thoughts?
I did the math with Spain weeks ago. Looking at the death count every year, there are 1,200 deaths per day. With coronavirus, we have had 700 deaths per day for some days, and 500 deaths per day for many weeks. And those are the confirmed deaths by COVID, the ones that go to the statistics.
In my opinion, when something amounts for weeks as much the 42% of the normal death toll of a country where social distancing has been mandatory for months, it's scary. Morgues have been overworking.
I did the math with Spain weeks ago. Looking at the death count every year, there are 1,200 deaths per day. With coronavirus, we have had 700 deaths per day for some days, and 500 deaths per day for many weeks. And those are the confirmed deaths by COVID, the ones that go to the statistics.
In my opinion, when something amounts for weeks as much the 42% of the normal death toll of a country where social distancing has been mandatory for months, it's scary. Morgues have been overworking.
Thanks for the input Nero, always much appreciated by you. Those numbers are certainly attention grabbing, no doubt about it. I hope you and yours are all well.
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Let's do the math. The earth, on average, has about 156,000 deaths per day from all causes. Covid-19 deaths, year to date are 256,377. Today, there have been 126 days, year to date. This amounts to about 2,035 deaths per day, on average. That means that COVID-19 deaths amount to about 1.3% of all global deaths (2,035/156,000). Here is how this compares to WHO data from 2015. These are percentage of total deaths worldwide for each cause.
Heart disease = 15.5%
Stroke = 11.1%
Lower Respiratory Infections = 5.6%
COPD = 5.6%
Respiratory Cancers = 3.0%
Diabetes = 2.8%
Dementias = 2.7%
Diarrheal Diseases = 2.7%
Tuberculosis = 2.4%
Automobile accidents = 2.4%
You're twice as likely to die from a motor vehicle accident or from diarrhea than you are to die from COVID-19. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this pandemic.
Your thoughts?
I did the math with Spain weeks ago. Looking at the death count every year, there are 1,200 deaths per day. With coronavirus, we have had 700 deaths per day for some days, and 500 deaths per day for many weeks. And those are the confirmed deaths by COVID, the ones that go to the statistics.
In my opinion, when something amounts for weeks as much the 42% of the normal death toll of a country where social distancing has been mandatory for months, it's scary. Morgues have been overworking.
I did the math with Spain weeks ago. Looking at the death count every year, there are 1,200 deaths per day. With coronavirus, we have had 700 deaths per day for some days, and 500 deaths per day for many weeks. And those are the confirmed deaths by COVID, the ones that go to the statistics.
In my opinion, when something amounts for weeks as much the 42% of the normal death toll of a country where social distancing has been mandatory for months, it's scary. Morgues have been overworking.
That's where the "its just the flu" crowd loses me.
This is going to kill way more people than "just the regular flu" and that's AFTER the U.S. shut down a huge portion of the country. What would the Covid death totals look like if every thing was still business as usual?
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I did the math with Spain weeks ago. Looking at the death count every year, there are 1,200 deaths per day. With coronavirus, we have had 700 deaths per day for some days, and 500 deaths per day for many weeks. And those are the confirmed deaths by COVID, the ones that go to the statistics.
In my opinion, when something amounts for weeks as much the 42% of the normal death toll of a country where social distancing has been mandatory for months, it's scary. Morgues have been overworking.
That's where the "its just the flu" crowd loses me.
This is going to kill way more people than "just the regular flu" and that's AFTER the U.S. shut down a huge portion of the country. What would the Covid death totals look like if every thing was still business as usual?
That's where the "its just the flu" crowd loses me.
This is going to kill way more people than "just the regular flu" and that's AFTER the U.S. shut down a huge portion of the country. What would the Covid death totals look like if every thing was still business as usual?
That's the thing many protestors and others forget
"There are barely any deaths from Covid! We need to end social distancing!"
The deaths are only "low" BECAUSE we're social distancing
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Again?
Here are the materials... you do the work.
https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/how_do.html
https://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/757312_3
EDIT: one more piece... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22651099
Fuck you... you do the work!
Fuck you... you do the work!
Why? You wouldn't believe me anyway.
All the pieces are in the links I posted...
... some assembly required.
Oh look ...a dimwit playin the drivel card because he's too stupid to understand what's being said.
lol... you can't seem to decide whether to condescend or underestimate when it comes to me.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think one thing that may be getting discounted here is that the loss of our livelihoods is far more frightening for some of us than the virus itself. I too am a second generation owner of a family business, and there’s a shit ton of pride in that and an equal amount of concern right now.
It’s not just a job or a paycheck. Prior to now it was a fine tuned vehicle through life for myself and my family built through a hellacious amount of time and effort from my father and l over 35 years.
It’s deeply personal. It’s my contribution to the world so a lot of my perceived self worth is tied into it. Life is finite, but if we play our cards right we can create things that outlive us and benefit our future generations.
There are a lot of people’s life’s work at risk right now. It’s frightening and quite the burden for those of us tasked with carrying a torch through these tenuous times.
And by and large we get it. Save lives, it’s the right thing to do, yadda yadda. But none of that changes what l would do to get back to the daily grind. Volunteer to get a Covid 19 injection up the ass? Sign me up.
You, or your wife or kids or parents could get sick and die......yet the "loss of your livelihood" is more frightening?
You, or your wife or kids or parents could get sick and die......yet the "loss of your livelihood" is more frightening?
Top notch comprehension skills there Gip, haha. Yes, that is my “most frightening thing” right now. But it’s just my own most frightening thing and l’m well aware it’s not everyone’s most frightening thing. That’s how society works here. We throw our deepest concerns at one another and/or elected officials and hope for a good middle ground solution.
My deepest concern is just a part of the equation, but it’s a concern shared by others and is important enough that l would like it to get the levity of consideration that it deserves.
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PoG and I...... who could've seen this unlikely pairing of minds coming together?
Jeez, I fear texting drivers - not only for myself, but for my entire family and friends, far more than I do COVID.
According to Princess Newscum, CA is possibly starting to reopen by weeks end, so maybe, just maybe, I can save the family owned business that my hard working, uneducated father launched all by himself 47 years ago...... but I don't know if it's possible.
Some people lost a loved one, others will lose everything else.
According to Princess Newscum, CA is possibly starting to reopen by weeks end, so maybe, just maybe, I can save the family owned business that my hard working, uneducated father launched all by himself 47 years ago...... but I don't know if it's possible.
Some people lost a loved one, others will lose everything else.
I think one thing that may be getting discounted here is that the loss of our livelihoods is far more frightening for some of us than the virus itself. I too am a second generation owner of a family business, and there’s a shit ton of pride in that and an equal amount of concern right now.
I feel for you and others in your situation... truly. Even more so because the programs intended to help see you thru the shut-in are generally not getting to the smallest of the small and will in the end be insufficient at their current levels.
But reopening isn't the answer... people are not going to come out in sufficient numbers to help... not anytime soon anyway. Reopening will be used as an excuse to end any aid to which you are entitled. You can see this coming from a mile away.
Then there are the inevitable flare ups that are already emerging. If you don't see them yet... just give it another 10 days.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
According to Princess Newscum, CA is possibly starting to reopen by weeks end, so maybe, just maybe, I can save the family owned business that my hard working, uneducated father launched all by himself 47 years ago...... but I don't know if it's possible.
Some people lost a loved one, others will lose everything else.
I think one thing that may be getting discounted here is that the loss of our livelihoods is far more frightening for some of us than the virus itself. I too am a second generation owner of a family business, and there’s a shit ton of pride in that and an equal amount of concern right now.
I feel for you and others in your situation... truly. Even more so because the programs intended to help see you thru the shut-in are generally not getting to the smallest of the small and will in the end be insufficient at their current levels.
But reopening isn't the answer... people are not going to come out in sufficient numbers to help... not anytime soon anyway. Reopening will be used as an excuse to end any aid to which you are entitled. You can see this coming from a mile away.
Then there are the inevitable flare ups that are already emerging. If you don't see them yet... just give it another 10 days.
I feel for you and others in your situation... truly. Even more so because the programs intended to help see you thru the shut-in are generally not getting to the smallest of the small and will in the end be insufficient at their current levels.
But reopening isn't the answer... people are not going to come out in sufficient numbers to help... not anytime soon anyway. Reopening will be used as an excuse to end any aid to which you are entitled. You can see this coming from a mile away.
Then there are the inevitable flare ups that are already emerging. If you don't see them yet... just give it another 10 days.
Thanks T, much appreciated.
As you might know, my daughter is a 3rd year DPT student in Melbourne Australia - graduating in December, and we have good discussions about this all of the time. She being a medical, science professional has many good points of view from the side that a lot of people like yourself are on, and she always gets me to say "Yea, I never thought of it that way."
Last night we discussed the math/death causes that I posted here yesterday, and not only was she not surprised at all by the numbers, but she had a lightening quick response as to why they are different..... "Someone can't touch something that you then touch and give you heart disease or a car accident." Leave it to my 25yr old millennial to be the first to answer the question, and do so in a way that made me say "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
Now for some fun stuff that I asked her and you have to search your soul and look in the mirror to answer truthfully......
I simply asked her, "What if the cure, prevention, vaccine is either decades away, or in fact never comes...... is this our new life?"
She immediately said, "Oh hell no!!" So I asked her if she meant that "eventually, the planet would have to open up again, so everyone who is lucky enough to exist on it, actually has a life that is worth living?" and she paused for a bit and softly said "yes.'"
I then pointed out that with that decision, she is now exactly where I am today, but by pushing it off to the 3rd shutdown in 4 years, or the 13th shutdown in 15 years, she is then saying, "Sorry everyone, we tried, lord knows we tried, but now we all have to live our lives and if some of you don't make it, well you don't."
She then said "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
I know some brainiac is going to pipe in this thread and say "oh, that will never happen, we will 100% have a vaccine", and to that future poster - lookin' at you Peeps, I say the same thing I say to OBJ.... Show me on the field.
Until then, it's just blah, blah, blah.
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I feel for you and others in your situation... truly. Even more so because the programs intended to help see you thru the shut-in are generally not getting to the smallest of the small and will in the end be insufficient at their current levels.
But reopening isn't the answer... people are not going to come out in sufficient numbers to help... not anytime soon anyway. Reopening will be used as an excuse to end any aid to which you are entitled. You can see this coming from a mile away.
Then there are the inevitable flare ups that are already emerging. If you don't see them yet... just give it another 10 days.
Thanks T, much appreciated.
As you might know, my daughter is a 3rd year DPT student in Melbourne Australia - graduating in December, and we have good discussions about this all of the time. She being a medical, science professional has many good points of view from the side that a lot of people like yourself are on, and she always gets me to say "Yea, I never thought of it that way."
Last night we discussed the math/death causes that I posted here yesterday, and not only was she not surprised at all by the numbers, but she had a lightening quick response as to why they are different..... "Someone can't touch something that you then touch and give you heart disease or a car accident." Leave it to my 25yr old millennial to be the first to answer the question, and do so in a way that made me say "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
Now for some fun stuff that I asked her and you have to search your soul and look in the mirror to answer truthfully......
I simply asked her, "What if the cure, prevention, vaccine is either decades away, or in fact never comes...... is this our new life?"
She immediately said, "Oh hell no!!" So I asked her if she meant that "eventually, the planet would have to open up again, so everyone who is lucky enough to exist on it, actually has a life that is worth living?" and she paused for a bit and softly said "yes.'"
I then pointed out that with that decision, she is now exactly where I am today, but by pushing it off to the 3rd shutdown in 4 years, or the 13th shutdown in 15 years, she is then saying, "Sorry everyone, we tried, lord knows we tried, but now we all have to live our lives and if some of you don't make it, well you don't."
She then said "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
I know some brainiac is going to pipe in this thread and say "oh, that will never happen, we will 100% have a vaccine", and to that future poster - lookin' at you Peeps, I say the same thing I say to OBJ.... Show me on the field.
Until then, it's just blah, blah, blah.
Thanks T, much appreciated.
As you might know, my daughter is a 3rd year DPT student in Melbourne Australia - graduating in December, and we have good discussions about this all of the time. She being a medical, science professional has many good points of view from the side that a lot of people like yourself are on, and she always gets me to say "Yea, I never thought of it that way."
Last night we discussed the math/death causes that I posted here yesterday, and not only was she not surprised at all by the numbers, but she had a lightening quick response as to why they are different..... "Someone can't touch something that you then touch and give you heart disease or a car accident." Leave it to my 25yr old millennial to be the first to answer the question, and do so in a way that made me say "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
Now for some fun stuff that I asked her and you have to search your soul and look in the mirror to answer truthfully......
I simply asked her, "What if the cure, prevention, vaccine is either decades away, or in fact never comes...... is this our new life?"
She immediately said, "Oh hell no!!" So I asked her if she meant that "eventually, the planet would have to open up again, so everyone who is lucky enough to exist on it, actually has a life that is worth living?" and she paused for a bit and softly said "yes.'"
I then pointed out that with that decision, she is now exactly where I am today, but by pushing it off to the 3rd shutdown in 4 years, or the 13th shutdown in 15 years, she is then saying, "Sorry everyone, we tried, lord know we tried, but now we all have to live our lives and if some of you don't make it, well you don't."
She then said "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
I know some brainiac is going to pipe in this thread and say "oh, that will never happen, we will 100% have a vaccine", and to that future poster - lookin' at you Peeps, I say the same thing I say to OBJ.... Show me on the field.
Until then, it's just blah, blah, blah.
Well, the scientists are pretty certain they will come up with a vaccine.
But, there have been diseases that ravished the planet for long, long times. The bubonic plague wiped out one-third of the population of Europe. Smallpox certainly did its damage, especially when it was introduced to North America and into the native American population. (by the way....it ws not unknown that such a tactic to have been done purposely by Euro settlers).
I don't know...maybe this "herd immunity" thing will kick in, as perhaps it did with the plague (they never developed a vaccine in the middle ages). I don't think it ever developed with small pox. I think they came up with a vaccine for that. In the mean time, the concept that we should just all "go about our usual lives" and accept the sacrifices that it will take to develop the herd immunity is fine. I am willing to allow you to be one of those sacrifices if you wish
(jk, not really). I CAN think of some people that I would be willing to sacrifice however.....those carrying Nazi and Confederate flags at these so called rallies.
By the way, cool that your daughter is studying in Australia. Does she plan to stay there?
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Thanks T, much appreciated.
As you might know, my daughter is a 3rd year DPT student in Melbourne Australia - graduating in December, and we have good discussions about this all of the time. She being a medical, science professional has many good points of view from the side that a lot of people like yourself are on, and she always gets me to say "Yea, I never thought of it that way."
Last night we discussed the math/death causes that I posted here yesterday, and not only was she not surprised at all by the numbers, but she had a lightening quick response as to why they are different..... "Someone can't touch something that you then touch and give you heart disease or a car accident." Leave it to my 25yr old millennial to be the first to answer the question, and do so in a way that made me say "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
Now for some fun stuff that I asked her and you have to search your soul and look in the mirror to answer truthfully......
I simply asked her, "What if the cure, prevention, vaccine is either decades away, or in fact never comes...... is this our new life?"
She immediately said, "Oh hell no!!" So I asked her if she meant that "eventually, the planet would have to open up again, so everyone who is lucky enough to exist on it, actually has a life that is worth living?" and she paused for a bit and softly said "yes.'"
I then pointed out that with that decision, she is now exactly where I am today, but by pushing it off to the 3rd shutdown in 4 years, or the 13th shutdown in 15 years, she is then saying, "Sorry everyone, we tried, lord know we tried, but now we all have to live our lives and if some of you don't make it, well you don't."
She then said "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
I know some brainiac is going to pipe in this thread and say "oh, that will never happen, we will 100% have a vaccine", and to that future poster - lookin' at you Peeps, I say the same thing I say to OBJ.... Show me on the field.
Until then, it's just blah, blah, blah.
Well, the scientists are pretty certain they will come up with a vaccine.
But, there have been diseases that ravished the planet for long, long times. The bubonic plague wiped out one-third of the population of Europe. Smallpox certainly did its damage, especially when it was introduced to North America and into the native American population. (by the way....it ws not unknown that such a tactic to have been done purposely by Euro settlers).
I don't know...maybe this "herd immunity" thing will kick in, as perhaps it did with the plague (they never developed a vaccine in the middle ages). I don't think it ever developed with small pox. I think they came up with a vaccine for that. In the mean time, the concept that we should just all "go about our usual lives" and accept the sacrifices that it will take to develop the herd immunity is fine. I am willing to allow you to be one of those sacrifices if you wish
(jk, not really). I CAN think of some people that I would be willing to sacrifice however.....those carrying Nazi and Confederate flags at these so called rallies.
By the way, cool that your daughter is studying in Australia. Does she plan to stay there?
Well, the scientists are pretty certain they will come up with a vaccine.
But, there have been diseases that ravished the planet for long, long times. The bubonic plague wiped out one-third of the population of Europe. Smallpox certainly did its damage, especially when it was introduced to North America and into the native American population. (by the way....it ws not unknown that such a tactic to have been done purposely by Euro settlers).
I don't know...maybe this "herd immunity" thing will kick in, as perhaps it did with the plague (they never developed a vaccine in the middle ages). I don't think it ever developed with small pox. I think they came up with a vaccine for that. In the mean time, the concept that we should just all "go about our usual lives" and accept the sacrifices that it will take to develop the herd immunity is fine. I am willing to allow you to be one of those sacrifices if you wish
(jk, not really). I CAN think of some people that I would be willing to sacrifice however.....those carrying Nazi and Confederate flags at these so called rallies.
By the way, cool that your daughter is studying in Australia. Does she plan to stay there?
Good answer.. thanks! Man, that's a whole other fear I have, and one that forces me to take a Lorazopame at bedtime. She loves it there and has had a boyfriend there since she first studied abroad during her undergrad junior year. She says she is coming home, but I think she just hasn't admitted to herself yet that she is not.
That right there is the biggest bummer in my life, and our business situation and virus don't even sniff the bottom of that pain and fear's shoes. I'm proud as hell though, so it's a really weird group of feelings to wade through..... but that's what my Crazy Pill is for.
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A somewhat interesting read on the history of the largest pandemics in history.
https://www.history.com/news/pandemics-end-plague-cholera-black-death-smallpox
Just a few notes:
A. As stated in prior post, the Black Death took up to a third of Europe's populace.
B. The Black Plague really never went away in Britain...It apparently would resurface like every 20 years. The only effective way they had to combat it: quarantine.
C. In the first century after Europeans began arriving, smallpox killed of 90% of the population of the native peoples living in what is now Mexico.
D. Cholera was the third big killer. Mostly from contaminated drinking water.
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A somewhat interesting read on the history of the largest pandemics in history.
https://www.history.com/news/pandemics-end-plague-cholera-black-death-smallpox
Just a few notes:
A. As stated in prior post, the Black Death took up to a third of Europe's populace.
B. The Black Plague really never went away in Britain...It apparently would resurface like every 20 years. The only effective way they had to combat it: quarantine.
C. In the first century after Europeans began arriving, smallpox killed of 90% of the population of the native peoples living in what is now Mexico.
D. Cholera was the third big killer. Mostly from contaminated drinking water.
B. The Black Plague really never went away in Britain...It apparently would resurface like every 20 years. The only effective way they had to combat it: quarantine.
The Black Plague had to do with low higiene, so when people started having anti bodies and they started to use masks etc to threat the ill people and quarantine them, then the virus had less bodies to move around, became practicslly unexistant.
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I feel for you and others in your situation... truly. Even more so because the programs intended to help see you thru the shut-in are generally not getting to the smallest of the small and will in the end be insufficient at their current levels.
But reopening isn't the answer... people are not going to come out in sufficient numbers to help... not anytime soon anyway. Reopening will be used as an excuse to end any aid to which you are entitled. You can see this coming from a mile away.
Then there are the inevitable flare ups that are already emerging. If you don't see them yet... just give it another 10 days.
Thanks T, much appreciated.
As you might know, my daughter is a 3rd year DPT student in Melbourne Australia - graduating in December, and we have good discussions about this all of the time. She being a medical, science professional has many good points of view from the side that a lot of people like yourself are on, and she always gets me to say "Yea, I never thought of it that way."
Last night we discussed the math/death causes that I posted here yesterday, and not only was she not surprised at all by the numbers, but she had a lightening quick response as to why they are different..... "Someone can't touch something that you then touch and give you heart disease or a car accident." Leave it to my 25yr old millennial to be the first to answer the question, and do so in a way that made me say "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
Now for some fun stuff that I asked her and you have to search your soul and look in the mirror to answer truthfully......
I simply asked her, "What if the cure, prevention, vaccine is either decades away, or in fact never comes...... is this our new life?"
She immediately said, "Oh hell no!!" So I asked her if she meant that "eventually, the planet would have to open up again, so everyone who is lucky enough to exist on it, actually has a life that is worth living?" and she paused for a bit and softly said "yes.'"
I then pointed out that with that decision, she is now exactly where I am today, but by pushing it off to the 3rd shutdown in 4 years, or the 13th shutdown in 15 years, she is then saying, "Sorry everyone, we tried, lord knows we tried, but now we all have to live our lives and if some of you don't make it, well you don't."
She then said "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
I know some brainiac is going to pipe in this thread and say "oh, that will never happen, we will 100% have a vaccine", and to that future poster - lookin' at you Peeps, I say the same thing I say to OBJ.... Show me on the field.
Until then, it's just blah, blah, blah.
I simply asked her, "What if the cure, prevention, vaccine is either decades away, or in fact never comes...... is this our new life?"
She immediately said, "Oh hell no!!" So I asked her if she meant that "eventually, the planet would have to open up again, so everyone who is lucky enough to exist on it, actually has a life that is worth living?" and she paused for a bit and softly said "yes.'"
I then pointed out that with that decision, she is now exactly where I am today, but by pushing it off to the 3rd shutdown in 4 years, or the 13th shutdown in 15 years, she is then saying, "Sorry everyone, we tried, lord knows we tried, but now we all have to live our lives and if some of you don't make it, well you don't."
Quoting myself... George would be proud.
I just wanted to add that I only asked her the above, not to prove that I was right and she was wrong - or vice versa, but simply just to point out that in the end, we really aren't that different after all.
Here's to hoping we all get back to our normal lives soon, and everyone's family and friends are healthy.This thing has taken way too much positive energy from my soul, and for that I say, Fuck You Corona.
More like it from me............
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You mean the part where it says, "Misuse"?
You do not know what you are talking about.... so stop.
And posting unrelated rantings does not help you look less stupid.
I never get tired of that idiot getting owned.
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From my back yard a few nights ago........
Well, it's time for me to go 'Shelter in Place', and by shelter in place, I mean hop on my mountain bike and meet a few of my riding buddies at the trail head to go hammer out 17 miles in this glorious SoCal high desert weather.
.... and yes, we will 'Social Distance' < now there's a fun, kool phrase that didn't exist 89 days ago, but we always social distance anyway, because those young fellas can't keep this old dude in sight.
Keep those immune systems high everyone!!
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I won't forget to put roses on your grave.
(and my only surmise about the post office workers is that they have no contact with people...they just drop off mail in you box.)
No contact with people? They handle thousands of pieces of paper and cardboard every day. Each and every one of those pieces was processed by some human, somewhere in the world, and depending on which propaganda machine you choose to be fed from - red/blue/right/left, doesn't matter, the virus can live on all sorts of surface materials for hours, days, weeks, years, centuries, millenniums, eternity... who the fuck knows.
Yes, they do wear gloves, but every single one of them will touch their face throughout the day due to human habit. Not a single one of them is trained in sterile techniques.... yes, there are protocols for putting on, wearing and especially removing gloves to provide and keep a sterile field....
If you're not trained, it's just a false sense of security, as you forgot you touched the seat belt buckle with your glove before taking them off to wipe your hands with sanitizer as you race home to see your family....... then you unclick the seat belt and mindlessly swing it out of the way. Honey, I'm home!!!
The mail is no different than money, which has been proven to be one of the dirtiest things we humans touch..... because of all the human contact..
No contact with people? They handle thousands of pieces of paper and cardboard every day. Each and every one of those pieces was processed by some human, somewhere in the world, and depending on which propaganda machine you choose to be fed from - red/blue/right/left, doesn't matter, the virus can live on all sorts of surface materials for hours, days, weeks, years, centuries, millenniums, eternity... who the fuck knows.
Yes, they do wear gloves, but every single one of them will touch their face throughout the day due to human habit. Not a single one of them is trained in sterile techniques.... yes, there are protocols for putting on, wearing and especially removing gloves to provide and keep a sterile field....
If you're not trained, it's just a false sense of security, as you forgot you touched the seat belt buckle with your glove before taking them off to wipe your hands with sanitizer as you race home to see your family....... then you unclick the seat belt and mindlessly swing it out of the way. Honey, I'm home!!!
The mail is no different than money, which has been proven to be one of the dirtiest things we humans touch..... because of all the human contact..
They know https://www.webmd.com/lung/how-long-covid-19-lives-on-surfaces
Looks like the max time is 5 days on any known surface. The times are done in a lab with a huge viral load that you probably won't see in a real life situation so take all the estimates as UP TO worst case scenarios. There has been no known cases in the United States of covid-19 being transmitted though the postal office. China has also report 0 cases though their mail system (China Post???). If it did it would have been here much sooner. With that said I been getting my mail for the box about a day late every day just to safe. I have a pair of gardening gloves and scissors I leave outside for use on Amazon boxes. I open up the outside box, remove my gloves, take out whatever we ordered and kick the box into our mulch bed till a day has passed.
As for coming home me and GF both come though our garage using the opener using our knuckles and immediately b-line to bathroom no social interaction and kids are kept away. Door is always kept opened and there's a foot-lever hamper for dirty clothes and bottle of Mold and mildew cleaner right in shower that contains bleach for the shower handles/curtain. Since my girlfriend is nurse we found this to safest way for her and I to decontaminate after being outside. After all that, It's Honey I come time followed by hugs and kisses.
PS.Funny thing a dirty ass penny actually actively kills this virus the quickest because it's copper.
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Fuck you... you do the work!
Why? You wouldn't believe me anyway.
All the pieces are in the links I posted...
... some assembly required.
Oh look ...a dimwit playin the drivel card because he's too stupid to understand what's being said.
lol... you can't seem to decide whether to condescend or underestimate when it comes to me.
Why? You wouldn't believe me anyway.
All the pieces are in the links I posted...
... some assembly required.
lol... you can't seem to decide whether to condescend or underestimate when it comes to me.
I don't need your fake news...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I never get tired of that idiot getting owned.
And you're the biggest idiot...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Thanks T, much appreciated.
As you might know, my daughter is a 3rd year DPT student in Melbourne Australia - graduating in December, and we have good discussions about this all of the time. She being a medical, science professional has many good points of view from the side that a lot of people like yourself are on, and she always gets me to say "Yea, I never thought of it that way."
Last night we discussed the math/death causes that I posted here yesterday, and not only was she not surprised at all by the numbers, but she had a lightening quick response as to why they are different..... "Someone can't touch something that you then touch and give you heart disease or a car accident." Leave it to my 25yr old millennial to be the first to answer the question, and do so in a way that made me say "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
Now for some fun stuff that I asked her and you have to search your soul and look in the mirror to answer truthfully......
I simply asked her, "What if the cure, prevention, vaccine is either decades away, or in fact never comes...... is this our new life?"
She immediately said, "Oh hell no!!" So I asked her if she meant that "eventually, the planet would have to open up again, so everyone who is lucky enough to exist on it, actually has a life that is worth living?" and she paused for a bit and softly said "yes.'"
I then pointed out that with that decision, she is now exactly where I am today, but by pushing it off to the 3rd shutdown in 4 years, or the 13th shutdown in 15 years, she is then saying, "Sorry everyone, we tried, lord know we tried, but now we all have to live our lives and if some of you don't make it, well you don't."
She then said "hmmmm, I never saw it like that."
I know some brainiac is going to pipe in this thread and say "oh, that will never happen, we will 100% have a vaccine", and to that future poster - lookin' at you Peeps, I say the same thing I say to OBJ.... Show me on the field.
Until then, it's just blah, blah, blah.
Well, the scientists are pretty certain they will come up with a vaccine.
But, there have been diseases that ravished the planet for long, long times. The bubonic plague wiped out one-third of the population of Europe. Smallpox certainly did its damage, especially when it was introduced to North America and into the native American population. (by the way....it ws not unknown that such a tactic to have been done purposely by Euro settlers).
I don't know...maybe this "herd immunity" thing will kick in, as perhaps it did with the plague (they never developed a vaccine in the middle ages). I don't think it ever developed with small pox. I think they came up with a vaccine for that. In the mean time, the concept that we should just all "go about our usual lives" and accept the sacrifices that it will take to develop the herd immunity is fine. I am willing to allow you to be one of those sacrifices if you wish
(jk, not really). I CAN think of some people that I would be willing to sacrifice however.....those carrying Nazi and Confederate flags at these so called rallies.
By the way, cool that your daughter is studying in Australia. Does she plan to stay there?
Well, the scientists are pretty certain they will come up with a vaccine.
But, there have been diseases that ravished the planet for long, long times. The bubonic plague wiped out one-third of the population of Europe. Smallpox certainly did its damage, especially when it was introduced to North America and into the native American population. (by the way....it ws not unknown that such a tactic to have been done purposely by Euro settlers).
I don't know...maybe this "herd immunity" thing will kick in, as perhaps it did with the plague (they never developed a vaccine in the middle ages). I don't think it ever developed with small pox. I think they came up with a vaccine for that. In the mean time, the concept that we should just all "go about our usual lives" and accept the sacrifices that it will take to develop the herd immunity is fine. I am willing to allow you to be one of those sacrifices if you wish
(jk, not really). I CAN think of some people that I would be willing to sacrifice however.....those carrying Nazi and Confederate flags at these so called rallies.
By the way, cool that your daughter is studying in Australia. Does she plan to stay there?
If it comes by way of Fauci and Bill Gates?.. I want no part of it.. They can jam it up they're collective assholes!
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Well, the scientists are pretty certain they will come up with a vaccine.
But, there have been diseases that ravished the planet for long, long times. The bubonic plague wiped out one-third of the population of Europe. Smallpox certainly did its damage, especially when it was introduced to North America and into the native American population. (by the way....it ws not unknown that such a tactic to have been done purposely by Euro settlers).
I don't know...maybe this "herd immunity" thing will kick in, as perhaps it did with the plague (they never developed a vaccine in the middle ages). I don't think it ever developed with small pox. I think they came up with a vaccine for that. In the mean time, the concept that we should just all "go about our usual lives" and accept the sacrifices that it will take to develop the herd immunity is fine. I am willing to allow you to be one of those sacrifices if you wish
(jk, not really). I CAN think of some people that I would be willing to sacrifice however.....those carrying Nazi and Confederate flags at these so called rallies.
By the way, cool that your daughter is studying in Australia. Does she plan to stay there?
If it comes by way of Fauci and Bill Gates?.. I want no part of it.. They can jam it up they're collective assholes!
If it comes by way of Fauci and Bill Gates?.. I want no part of it.. They can jam it up they're collective assholes!
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