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This is a specious argument. . Facts do not change because you either do or do not believe in them. The facts are the facts. You do not get to choose facts, facts don't come from "either side", and there are not two sides to facts.
You have beliefs, you have opinions, you have faith in something, you may try to put spin on interpreting what facts mean, but you do NOT have a separate set of facts. What you or I may think about facts does not change facts.
Some facts may be unknowable perhaps. Your Jesus example is NOT a question of what the facts are....it is question of what you believe in, or in what the other guy does not believe in.
I could believe that the Browns are defending Super Bowl Champions. My beliefs do not make it a fact.
And trust me, humans CAN be fallible in what the BELIEVE facts are. And sometimes those facts can be misinterpreted. In my profession it is necessary to deal with all kinds of fact. But we also deal with the real other side of the coin: what you can convince someone those facts mean....and whether or not you can actually discern what facts are.
Well, depending on your interpretation of the facts you certainly can have two different sides to facts.
Say that analogy for instance about the Browns being defending Super Bowl Champions... Being as each season is reset and no team is greater than another, as long as Cleveland never loses they are essentially the Superbowl Champions... they are defending their title each time they take the field.
I know it's not quite the same but a cool thought none-the-less...
Well, depending on your interpretation of the facts you certainly can have two different sides to facts.
Say that analogy for instance about the Browns being defending Super Bowl Champions... Being as each season is reset and no team is greater than another, as long as Cleveland never loses they are essentially the Superbowl Champions... they are defending their title each time they take the field.
I know it's not quite the same but a cool thought none-the-less...
Well this example of twisted logic certainly explains a great deal.
Not sure it's "cool", but it certainly is "comforting" to ignore the fact that the Browns have never appeared in let alone won a SB.
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C'mon, DB... It's not as if we've never had a recession before.
So where are the numbers?
Just a quick look on Dr Google found...... https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2011/04/suicide-rates-rise-and-fall-economy-say-cdc-researchers/
Just a quick look on Dr Google found...... https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2011/04/suicide-rates-rise-and-fall-economy-say-cdc-researchers/
Tendencies simply aren't useful when you are arguing a hypothetical trade off between mitigating virus deaths and increasing suicides. You have to bring numbers... not just hand-waving to the suicide side of the case... even if it is CDC hand-waving.
Suicide is a complex subject. I've no doubt that its rate increased during the Great Depression, but at what point? The reports of brokers jumping out of windows on the day of The October,1929 Crash were false. The rate during October and November of that year were "... among the lowest of any month of that year."
Hopelessness is one of the many risk factors associated with suicides. That that feeling grew in intensity and reach as the Great Depression went on and on is undeniable, but it went on for over a decade. We are two months into the current recession. Are we really so fragile that this is already a legitimate argument?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The result of covid is absolutely not simply "death" or "nothing".
Hundreds of thousands worldwide - a big % of that in the US - will be left with chronic kidney, heart, and neural issues for the rest of their lives. This includes renal dialysis.
You're welcome to your own OPINION - but you're not welcome to your own FACT.
Hundreds of thousands worldwide - a big % of that in the US - will be left with chronic kidney, heart, and neural issues for the rest of their lives. This includes renal dialysis.
Not to mention compromised respiratory systems...
The mounting evidence of these residual effects in Covid-19 survivors are both alarming and will add to continuing health care burdens worldwide.
And now we have these Kawasaki/TS Syndrome kids emerging that may be related to the virus.
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I don’t wear a mask. Don’t have any left. Had three N-95 masks out in the shop for when I do bondo and fiberglass work and a box of dust masks.
Surgeon General comes out and tells people not to buy them, they do nothing against COVID.
News reports hospitals are in short supply and if you have any, please donate. So I gave all of them to my neighbor who works at the local hospital. (Who reports back to me last week that it’s been as slow as she has seen it at her hospital with only a few cases and none severe, all got sent home to quarantine....yet the news tells me hospitals are busting at the seem....should I ask for my masks back? WTF is going on?)
A month later, they tell me to wear them, because somehow they work now for not letting germs out....but they still let them in? Is there a one way valve on these things?
So the Surgeon General didn’t know last month that masks prevented this when I was told not to buy any and to give them away if I had them? WTF? My masks are gone. And nope... not cutting up a sock and wearing it around my face. The only thing I have left is my painting respirator... and I’m not wearing that thing for hours at a time....
I don’t know what to believe anymore.
At work they take my temperature with some thermometer while they stand six feet away.... tell me I’m good and send me on my way.... How can that be accurate? They don’t give me a mask or tell me to wear one just suggest it... Tell me “don’t get close to people“ then send us out in the same trucks...?
Go to Home Depot and it’s like freaking Black Friday....people wearing mask walk right beside me and stand right next to me in line... Half of them have their nose sticking out.... or the damn thing around their neck.....old people driving around in those motorized carts buying nothing.... just driving around....
Even though the signs everywhere say stand six feet away nobody does. Walk between me and the wood pile I’m pulling from... instead of the 20 feet that’s wide open behind me...
I’m buying a trailer full of lumber for work, and they close down the lumber yard exit for some reason and force me to wheel all my lumber over to the small checkouts where 90 people are waiting in line.....
All the employees wearing masks walk around the plastic barrier they are suppose to stand behind and scan what I’m buying right next to me, then tell me to punch in all my numbers and email on the same number pad the last 100 people touched without wiping it down.....
So.... all these people will wear a mask but then follow NONE of the other guidelines?
I don’t know... I’ve been out there everyday since this thing started. No time off, no down time. Feel like I’ve been told different stories at different times to fit what they want and need. People telling me what I should do, then follow none of the guidelines themselves....Kinda pissed about it honestly.
I don’t wear a mask. Don’t have any left. Had three N-95 masks out in the shop for when I do bondo and fiberglass work and a box of dust masks.
Surgeon General comes out and tells people not to buy them, they do nothing against COVID.
News reports hospitals are in short supply and if you have any, please donate. So I gave all of them to my neighbor who works at the local hospital. (Who reports back to me last week that it’s been as slow as she has seen it at her hospital with only a few cases and none severe, all got sent home to quarantine....yet the news tells me hospitals are busting at the seem....should I ask for my masks back? WTF is going on?)
A month later, they tell me to wear them, because somehow they work now for not letting germs out....but they still let them in? Is there a one way valve on these things?
So the Surgeon General didn’t know last month that masks prevented this when I was told not to buy any and to give them away if I had them? WTF? My masks are gone. And nope... not cutting up a sock and wearing it around my face. The only thing I have left is my painting respirator... and I’m not wearing that thing for hours at a time....
All the employees wearing masks walk around the plastic barrier they are suppose to stand behind and scan what I’m buying right next to me, then tell me to punch in all my numbers and email on the same number pad the last 100 people touched without wiping it down.....
So.... all these people will wear a mask but then follow NONE of the other guidelines?
I don’t know... I’ve been out there everyday since this thing started. No time off, no down time. Feel like I’ve been told different stories at different times to fit what they want and need. People telling me what I should do, then follow none of the guidelines themselves....Kinda pissed about it honestly.
I don't blame you for being pissed. Consistency has not been a hallmark of our national response.
Going to whittle down the rest of your in an effort to help. Good on you for donating, but if after reading the below you feel that you can properly use an N95, then yes, I'd say to ask your neighbor for a couple back.
Masks: These are cloth. They are very available online. Most have a pocket into which you insert a piece of paper towel cut to fit. They are not sealed to your face, so they will not fully protect you, but rather will substantially protect those around you by collecting droplets in your exhaled breath. Their relative effectiveness of have to do with air flow rate and curvature of air flow path.
Breath thru your nose. Pay attention to the sound and duration of the inhale vs. the exhale portions. I think you will find that exhalation is shorter and more sudden. The suddenness creates droplet impingement on inside of the mask that inhalation does not.
Respirators: This is a broad term that includes N-95 "masks".
N-95: Is a technical NIOSH/OSHA designation. It means that properly fitted the wearer can expect that 95% of all air-borne particulates greater than 0.3 microns (>0.3 μm or micrometers) to be filtered out of what is breathed. Unlike a cloth mask it is meant to seal to the face forcing all airflow thru its filter-media. Three factors have to be satisfied for a seal to be formed: fit, smooth face and proper donning. In general these are single use respirators, but reusable, cartridge-style models are available.Permanent employees where I worked were issued these as they are more economical if use is high.
Fit: Many do not realize that N95's come in different sizes. Most commonly they include small, small/medium, medium, medium/large, and large. Which is right for you? Only testing can determine this. Most commonly a saccharine-laced, water aerosol is used to test fit. If you taste "sweet", then you don't have a seal.
Face: Growth rates vary, but in general if you have facial hair longer than a day or two's stubble, then you aren't going to get a proper seal. And any long growth from a beard, 'stache or sideburns have to be clear of the seal.
Donning: There's a right and wrong way. Also some N95s bands are adjustable and there's a proper order of adjustment.
...Chemical: These are generally cartridge respirators using cartridges that layer activated charcoal behind particulate filter media. Your "paint" respirator may be of this type. Your bondo one should be as well. All three fit factors apply to these as well.
As for touching surfaces... you can carry a pencil for keypads and screens, but also remember it's not what you touch, it's what you touch after that. Keep hands off your face... and especially away from your eyes. Keep hand sanitizer in your vehicle... but since I park outside in plenty of UV, I don't worry about steering wheels, etc., I just wash hands thoroughly after unloading when I get home.
Hope this helped some...
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Just a quick look on Dr Google found...... https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2011/04/suicide-rates-rise-and-fall-economy-say-cdc-researchers/
Tendencies simply aren't useful when you are arguing a hypothetical trade off between mitigating virus deaths and increasing suicides. You have to bring numbers... not just hand-waving to the suicide side of the case... even if it is CDC hand-waving.
Suicide is a complex subject. I've no doubt that its rate increased during the Great Depression, but at what point? The reports of brokers jumping out of windows on the day of The October,1929 Crash were false. The rate during October and November of that year were "... among the lowest of any month of that year."
Hopelessness is one of the many risk factors associated with suicides. That that feeling grew in intensity and reach as the Great Depression went on and on is undeniable, but it went on for over a decade. We are two months into the current recession. Are we really so fragile that this is already a legitimate argument?
Tendencies simply aren't useful when you are arguing a hypothetical trade off between mitigating virus deaths and increasing suicides. You have to bring numbers... not just hand-waving to the suicide side of the case... even if it is CDC hand-waving.
Suicide is a complex subject. I've no doubt that its rate increased during the Great Depression, but at what point? The reports of brokers jumping out of windows on the day of The October,1929 Crash were false. The rate during October and November of that year were "... among the lowest of any month of that year."
Hopelessness is one of the many risk factors associated with suicides. That that feeling grew in intensity and reach as the Great Depression went on and on is undeniable, but it went on for over a decade. We are two months into the current recession. Are we really so fragile that this is already a legitimate argument?
While I posted about suicides, I posted about stress related deaths as well, and you don't need anything other than critical thinking skills that Tia is so found of to understand that.
It's common knowledge that stress is a major contributor to poor physical health, and one of the main areas affected by stress is the heart..... you know, that thing that kills more people on this planet every second than any other cause.... and it's not even close.
For those that aren't yet financially impacted by either being still employed or are retired and receiving a nice hard earned lifetime pension and can't understand how people that have lost or will lose their business can be so callus to the situation..... Let's have some fun.
All I ask for this is that you actually try it for just 90 seconds, and really try to imagine what it may feel like if it were to actually happen to you, and not just start hammering away at the keyboard to either tell me that it's impossible because of section 12.34.98 of the Earth Pension Law Rules Act, or you just want to reply immediately to win the argument...... 90 fucking seconds people. You got this!
For those of you that are retired (or are close to retiring) and are enjoying that killer lifetime pension and health care, imagine that you receive a letter in the mail from the federal government saying that they are really sorry, but they are going to have to immediately confiscate your pension and any health insurance to help repay the government, and that it is in the best interest of the people to do so, and they thank you for your understanding while 'doing your part' to keep everyone safe.
Imagine if everything you worked your ass off for your whole life was now gone like a fart in the wind...... Do you think you might then be under some pretty significant stress levels after such a letter? Do you think the stress levels would rise exponentially as the mortgage, Lexus payment, college tuition and health insurance premiums came due?? Do you think those stress levels will be good or bad for your overall health???
If you took 90 seconds to really imagine this happening and it didn't raise your anxiety levels and you still don't think the result wouldn't affect your life expectancy, well, you either didn't try hard enough or are a still working younger person who thinks they will never get old.
My grandpa who died when I was 12 had a really cool saying that I always try to live by..... "It all depends on whose ox is gored"'
COVID the sickness doesn't bother me, because luckily, it has not affected me or those I love and I 100% completely admit that.
COVID the financial crisis doesn't bother others, because luckily, it has not affected them or those they love..... but will they 100% completely admit that?
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I don’t wear a mask. Don’t have any left. Had three N-95 masks out in the shop for when I do bondo and fiberglass work and a box of dust masks.
Surgeon General comes out and tells people not to buy them, they do nothing against COVID.
News reports hospitals are in short supply and if you have any, please donate. So I gave all of them to my neighbor who works at the local hospital. (Who reports back to me last week that it’s been as slow as she has seen it at her hospital with only a few cases and none severe, all got sent home to quarantine....yet the news tells me hospitals are busting at the seem....should I ask for my masks back? WTF is going on?)
A month later, they tell me to wear them, because somehow they work now for not letting germs out....but they still let them in? Is there a one way valve on these things?
So the Surgeon General didn’t know last month that masks prevented this when I was told not to buy any and to give them away if I had them? WTF? My masks are gone. And nope... not cutting up a sock and wearing it around my face. The only thing I have left is my painting respirator... and I’m not wearing that thing for hours at a time....
I don’t know what to believe anymore.
At work they take my temperature with some thermometer while they stand six feet away.... tell me I’m good and send me on my way.... How can that be accurate? They don’t give me a mask or tell me to wear one just suggest it... Tell me “don’t get close to people“ then send us out in the same trucks...?
Go to Home Depot and it’s like freaking Black Friday....people wearing mask walk right beside me and stand right next to me in line... Half of them have their nose sticking out.... or the damn thing around their neck.....old people driving around in those motorized carts buying nothing.... just driving around....
Even though the signs everywhere say stand six feet away nobody does. Walk between me and the wood pile I’m pulling from... instead of the 20 feet that’s wide open behind me...
I’m buying a trailer full of lumber for work, and they close down the lumber yard exit for some reason and force me to wheel all my lumber over to the small checkouts where 90 people are waiting in line.....
All the employees wearing masks walk around the plastic barrier they are suppose to stand behind and scan what I’m buying right next to me, then tell me to punch in all my numbers and email on the same number pad the last 100 people touched without wiping it down.....
So.... all these people will wear a mask but then follow NONE of the other guidelines?
I don’t know... I’ve been out there everyday since this thing started. No time off, no down time. Feel like I’ve been told different stories at different times to fit what they want and need. People telling me what I should do, then follow none of the guidelines themselves....Kinda pissed about it honestly.
Well written hx214. Sums up the frenetic goings on right now. I don’t want to use the term “blind leading the blind”, but l’m fairly certain the experts are doing some degree of figuring it out as they go.
l’m fairly certain the experts are doing some degree of figuring it out as they go.
This is why it's important to fund government agencies - even when no immediate issue is visible. Yep - Reagan was wrong - GOVERNMENT IS GOOD.
If you want experts to have a solution.. you have to fund the research to acquire that solution. And because discovering previously unknown things about reality is difficult, you have to fund lots of research that may not have a immediately tangible benefit.. because you don't know how pieces of information actually tie together. Reality is multifactorial; nothing is a one-factor answer.
And you have to put public health leadership on equal importance with other departments.
Trump eliminated the department with the job of coordinating the national pandemic response.. and replaced it with Jared Kushner, who's so stupid his daddy had to spend 2.5 million just to get him into Harvard.
The other issue with eliminating those jobs is that without a representative at high-level meetings, "pandemic response" got [gets] zero pull on Trump's attention.. thus federal response is slow, and even today it's incorrect/inefficient.
I think this is the actual thing you're seeing:
- the experts don't have the information they should due to cuts to their department's budget [not just this year but for many years -- we still don't have the studies to know what we should from the first SARS.. also a coronavirus, by the way]
- the expert leadership is not invited to the meetings they should be [to help inform/coordinate every aspect]
- the experts are ignored even in the few meetings they are invited to
Don't blame the experts when the village idiot has the final say.. For example: Of course he's going to tell you to drink bleach, he's the village idiot.
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l’m fairly certain the experts are doing some degree of figuring it out as they go.
This is why it's important to fund government agencies - even when no immediate issue is visible. Yep - Reagan was wrong - GOVERNMENT IS GOOD.
If you want experts to have a solution.. you have to fund the research to acquire that solution. And because discovering previously unknown things about reality is difficult, you have to fund lots of research that may not have a immediately tangible benefit.. because you don't know how pieces of information actually tie together. Reality is multifactorial; nothing is a one-factor answer.
And you have to put public health leadership on equal importance with other departments.
Trump eliminated the department with the job of coordinating the national pandemic response.. and replaced it with Jared Kushner, who's so stupid his daddy had to spend 2.5 million just to get him into Harvard.
The other issue with eliminating those jobs is that without a representative at high-level meetings, "pandemic response" got [gets] zero pull on Trump's attention.. thus federal response is slow, and even today it's incorrect/inefficient.
I think this is the actual thing you're seeing:
- the experts don't have the information they should due to cuts to their department's budget [not just this year but for many years -- we still don't have the studies to know what we should from the first SARS.. also a coronavirus, by the way]
- the expert leadership is not invited to the meetings they should be [to help inform/coordinate every aspect]
- the experts are ignored even in the few meetings they are invited to
Don't blame the experts when the village idiot has the final say.. For example: Of course he's going to tell you to drink bleach, he's the village idiot.
Don't blame the experts when the village idiot has the final say.. For example: Of course he's going to tell you to drink bleach, he's the village idiot.
The problem with political jokes is that sometimes they get elected.?
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Don't blame the experts when the village idiot has the final say.. For example: Of course he's going to tell you to drink bleach, he's the village idiot.
The problem with political jokes is that sometimes they get elected.?
sometimes they get elected.?
He is a political joke.. who won because the other candidate found a way to be worse. Who wants to bet that the D's "lesser of two evils" strategy won't get them defeated twice in a row?
Pelosi has provided the $$ for each and every one of Trump's initiatives, Schumer has supported each of his judges, and no Senator has used either their hold or filibuster abilities to halt the trillion-dollar pro-corporate bills going thru the senate.
Many countries have one-party rule.. America does as well, except that in typical American fashion, there's two of them.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Don't blame the experts when the village idiot has the final say.. For example: Of course he's going to tell you to drink bleach, he's the village idiot.
The problem with political jokes is that sometimes they get elected.?
The problem with political jokes is that sometimes they get elected.?
The Apprentice.....but hey if the political thing didn't work out he could always go back to washed up celebrity reality shows.
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sometimes they get elected.?
He is a political joke.. who won because the other candidate found a way to be worse. Who wants to bet that the D's "lesser of two evils" strategy won't get them defeated twice in a row?
Pelosi has provided the $$ for each and every one of Trump's initiatives, Schumer has supported each of his judges, and no Senator has used either their hold or filibuster abilities to halt the trillion-dollar pro-corporate bills going thru the senate.
Many countries have one-party rule.. America does as well, except that in typical American fashion, there's two of them.
He is a political joke.. who won because the other candidate found a way to be worse. Who wants to bet that the D's "lesser of two evils" strategy won't get them defeated twice in a row?
I would take that bet.....but I would be nervous about the outcome.
Pelosi has provided the $$ for each and every one of Trump's initiatives, Schumer has supported each of his judges, and no Senator has used either their hold or filibuster abilities to halt the trillion-dollar pro-corporate bills going thru the senate.
Oh, no doubt, I think the Ds have been impotent about things. The thing that has save DJT has his lapdog in McConnell , while he is the lapdog of Putin. That poor chair. I don't see how it has broken yet. (and I would have to see the evidence of those votes...I didn't think it was that way).
Many countries have one-party rule.. America does as well, except that in typical American fashion, there's two of them.
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He is a political joke.. who won because the other candidate found a way to be worse. Who wants to bet that the D's "lesser of two evils" strategy won't get them defeated twice in a row?
I would take that bet.....but I would be nervous about the outcome.
Pelosi has provided the $$ for each and every one of Trump's initiatives, Schumer has supported each of his judges, and no Senator has used either their hold or filibuster abilities to halt the trillion-dollar pro-corporate bills going thru the senate.
Oh, no doubt, I think the Ds have been impotent about things. The thing that has save DJT has his lapdog in McConnell , while he is the lapdog of Putin. That poor chair. I don't see how it has broken yet. (and I would have to see the evidence of those votes...I didn't think it was that way).
Many countries have one-party rule.. America does as well, except that in typical American fashion, there's two of them.
while he is the lapdog of Putin
Newly released Congressional testimony from Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry shows that there is in fact no evidence that Russia hacked the DNC emails. That's the core of the allegations against Russia. They do NOT have any proof that WikiLeaks was sent info from Russia. Wikileaks' source was NOT a state actor.
This testimony was given to Schiff years ago and instead... Schiff kept saying that he had seen evidence but couldn't release it. He pleased his weapons donors [Raytheon is the biggest employer in Schiff's district] but.. he gave Trump a gift while ratcheting tensions with a nuclear superpower.
Crowdstrike got wrong their info about Russia hacking Ukrainian artillery also -- it's not like they're always magical and correct.
The only time Russian state contacted Trump's team is:
1) Russian ambassador speaking to Trump campaign officials -- exactly what you'd want any foreign country to do..
2) Assistant in kremlin press office calling up michael cohen saying they couldn't build a trump tower in moscow
They were disingenuous about the russian troll farm -- but DoJ dropped the case once the trollfarm sought discovery. What else were they disingenuous about ?
So let's drop the Russiagate evidence-free conspiracy theory. That was just the Democrats avoiding responsibility for their 2016 loss, full stop.
No wonder people don't trust media: Instead of analyzing Trump's policy failings, we got 3 years of pee tapes and Rachel Maddow becoming the lesbian Glenn Beck.
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while he is the lapdog of Putin
Newly released Congressional testimony from Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry shows that there is in fact no evidence that Russia hacked the DNC emails. That's the core of the allegations against Russia. They do NOT have any proof that WikiLeaks was sent info from Russia. Wikileaks' source was NOT a state actor.
This testimony was given to Schiff years ago and instead... Schiff kept saying that he had seen evidence but couldn't release it. He pleased his weapons donors [Raytheon is the biggest employer in Schiff's district] but.. he gave Trump a gift while ratcheting tensions with a nuclear superpower.
Crowdstrike got wrong their info about Russia hacking Ukrainian artillery also -- it's not like they're always magical and correct.
The only time Russian state contacted Trump's team is:
1) Russian ambassador speaking to Trump campaign officials -- exactly what you'd want any foreign country to do..
2) Assistant in kremlin press office calling up michael cohen saying they couldn't build a trump tower in moscow
They were disingenuous about the russian troll farm -- but DoJ dropped the case once the trollfarm sought discovery. What else were they disingenuous about ?
So let's drop the Russiagate evidence-free conspiracy theory. That was just the Democrats avoiding responsibility for their 2016 loss, full stop.
No wonder people don't trust media: Instead of analyzing Trump's policy failings, we got 3 years of pee tapes and Rachel Maddow becoming the lesbian Glenn Beck.
Newly released Congressional testimony from Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry shows that there is in fact no evidence that Russia hacked the DNC emails. That's the core of the allegations against Russia. They do NOT have any proof that WikiLeaks was sent info from Russia. Wikileaks' source was NOT a state actor.
This testimony was given to Schiff years ago and instead... Schiff kept saying that he had seen evidence but couldn't release it. He pleased his weapons donors [Raytheon is the biggest employer in Schiff's district] but.. he gave Trump a gift while ratcheting tensions with a nuclear superpower.
Crowdstrike got wrong their info about Russia hacking Ukrainian artillery also -- it's not like they're always magical and correct.
The only time Russian state contacted Trump's team is:
1) Russian ambassador speaking to Trump campaign officials -- exactly what you'd want any foreign country to do..
2) Assistant in kremlin press office calling up michael cohen saying they couldn't build a trump tower in moscow
They were disingenuous about the russian troll farm -- but DoJ dropped the case once the trollfarm sought discovery. What else were they disingenuous about ?
So let's drop the Russiagate evidence-free conspiracy theory. That was just the Democrats avoiding responsibility for their 2016 loss, full stop.
No wonder people don't trust media: Instead of analyzing Trump's policy failings, we got 3 years of pee tapes and Rachel Maddow becoming the lesbian Glenn Beck.
I will believe our multiple intelligence agencies over these fake news excuses.
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Newly released Congressional testimony from Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry shows that there is in fact no evidence that Russia hacked the DNC emails. That's the core of the allegations against Russia. They do NOT have any proof that WikiLeaks was sent info from Russia. Wikileaks' source was NOT a state actor.
This testimony was given to Schiff years ago and instead... Schiff kept saying that he had seen evidence but couldn't release it. He pleased his weapons donors [Raytheon is the biggest employer in Schiff's district] but.. he gave Trump a gift while ratcheting tensions with a nuclear superpower.
Crowdstrike got wrong their info about Russia hacking Ukrainian artillery also -- it's not like they're always magical and correct.
The only time Russian state contacted Trump's team is:
1) Russian ambassador speaking to Trump campaign officials -- exactly what you'd want any foreign country to do..
2) Assistant in kremlin press office calling up michael cohen saying they couldn't build a trump tower in moscow
They were disingenuous about the russian troll farm -- but DoJ dropped the case once the trollfarm sought discovery. What else were they disingenuous about ?
So let's drop the Russiagate evidence-free conspiracy theory. That was just the Democrats avoiding responsibility for their 2016 loss, full stop.
No wonder people don't trust media: Instead of analyzing Trump's policy failings, we got 3 years of pee tapes and Rachel Maddow becoming the lesbian Glenn Beck.
I will believe our multiple intelligence agencies over these fake news excuses.
I will believe our multiple intelligence agencies over these fake news excuses.
Link to House Intelligence Committee documents
Jim Clapper [BO's director of national intelligence] said: “I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting or conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election.” That's the intelligence agencies you're believing.
Stop it. Russiagate IS the fake news. Russiagate is the conspiracy theory.
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I will believe our multiple intelligence agencies over these fake news excuses.
Link to House Intelligence Committee documents
Jim Clapper [BO's director of national intelligence] said: “I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting or conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election.” That's the intelligence agencies you're believing.
Stop it. Russiagate IS the fake news. Russiagate is the conspiracy theory.
Link to House Intelligence Committee documents
Jim Clapper [BO's director of national intelligence] said: “I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting or conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election.”
OK, you prove my point....you just linked Fox News.
Beyond that, I don't think it was ever even alleged that the Trump campaign, plotted and conspired with Russians to meddle with the Election....but the Russians DID meddle with the election, and they DID do in order to favor the Trump campaign....Even if the Trump campaign didn't conspire with them they were happy to accept the benefit of that interference......nor did they ever condemn that interference, or ever lift one finger to ever prevent it from happening again. In an analogy that may be applicable: The Trump campaign did not carry out or conspire with Bonny and Clyde, or Boris and Natasha in the bank heist, but the did "receive the stolen property" willingly. (It is just that in this instance, receiving this "stolen property" was perhaps not criminal, unlike receiving the bank heist property.
Nevertheless, I do not really want to get into it here. As I have said many times, my legal and political opinions are available, but I do charge for them.....and you are not likely to be paying me. (its why you don't see me over on that other board).
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Link to House Intelligence Committee documents
Jim Clapper [BO's director of national intelligence] said: “I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting or conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election.”
OK, you prove my point....you just linked Fox News.
Beyond that, I don't think it was ever even alleged that the Trump campaign, plotted and conspired with Russians to meddle with the Election....but the Russians DID meddle with the election, and they DID do in order to favor the Trump campaign....Even if the Trump campaign didn't conspire with them they were happy to accept the benefit of that interference......nor did they ever condemn that interference, or ever lift one finger to ever prevent it from happening again. In an analogy that may be applicable: The Trump campaign did not carry out or conspire with Bonny and Clyde, or Boris and Natasha in the bank heist, but the did "receive the stolen property" willingly. (It is just that in this instance, receiving this "stolen property" was perhaps not criminal, unlike receiving the bank heist property.
Nevertheless, I do not really want to get into it here. As I have said many times, my legal and political opinions are available, but I do charge for them.....and you are not likely to be paying me. (its why you don't see me over on that other board).
As I have said many times, my legal and political opinions are available, but I do charge for them.....and you are not likely to be paying me. (its why you don't see me over on that other board).
Too bad. The three stooges there are in desperate need of the cult breakers' code to get out before they get the soon to be made mythical covid-19.?
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Link to House Intelligence Committee documents
Jim Clapper [BO's director of national intelligence] said: “I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting or conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election.”
OK, you prove my point....you just linked Fox News.
Beyond that, I don't think it was ever even alleged that the Trump campaign, plotted and conspired with Russians to meddle with the Election....but the Russians DID meddle with the election, and they DID do in order to favor the Trump campaign....Even if the Trump campaign didn't conspire with them they were happy to accept the benefit of that interference......nor did they ever condemn that interference, or ever lift one finger to ever prevent it from happening again. In an analogy that may be applicable: The Trump campaign did not carry out or conspire with Bonny and Clyde, or Boris and Natasha in the bank heist, but the did "receive the stolen property" willingly. (It is just that in this instance, receiving this "stolen property" was perhaps not criminal, unlike receiving the bank heist property.
Nevertheless, I do not really want to get into it here. As I have said many times, my legal and political opinions are available, but I do charge for them.....and you are not likely to be paying me. (its why you don't see me over on that other board).
the did "receive the stolen property" willingly
Under $50,000 worth of facebook pictures of bernie sanders are stolen property?
Look, dude.. Mueller didn't show even one vote was actually flipped. If I'm deciding between a honda and a mazda.. showing me a picture of a bmw is entirely immaterial - it's not a thing. The "troll farm" which is alleged to be the entirety of all this was trying to get FB accounts to spam for their own money -- not political at all, which is why the DoJ dropped the case when the troll farm lawyered up and demanded discovery. There is nothing there, at all.
I don't agree with Tucker on most things - but [apparently unlike you] I will give him credit when he chooses to be objective. That prior link is a good compilation/summary of the relevant items.
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the did "receive the stolen property" willingly
Under $50,000 worth of facebook pictures of bernie sanders are stolen property?
Look, dude.. Mueller didn't show even one vote was actually flipped. If I'm deciding between a honda and a mazda.. showing me a picture of a bmw is entirely immaterial - it's not a thing. The "troll farm" which is alleged to be the entirety of all this was trying to get FB accounts to spam for their own money -- not political at all, which is why the DoJ dropped the case when the troll farm lawyered up and demanded discovery. There is nothing there, at all.
I don't agree with Tucker on most things - but [apparently unlike you] I will give him credit when he chooses to be objective. That prior link is a good compilation/summary of the relevant items.
Under $50,000 worth of facebook pictures of bernie sanders are stolen property?
Look, dude.. Mueller didn't show even one vote was actually flipped. If I'm deciding between a honda and a mazda.. showing me a picture of a bmw is entirely immaterial - it's not a thing. The "troll farm" which is alleged to be the entirety of all this was trying to get FB accounts to spam for their own money -- not political at all, which is why the DoJ dropped the case when the troll farm lawyered up and demanded discovery. There is nothing there, at all.
I don't agree with Tucker on most things - but [apparently unlike you] I will give him credit when he chooses to be objective. That prior link is a good compilation/summary of the relevant items.
Retainer required
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sometimes they get elected.?
He is a political joke.. who won because the other candidate found a way to be worse. Who wants to bet that the D's "lesser of two evils" strategy won't get them defeated twice in a row?
Pelosi has provided the $$ for each and every one of Trump's initiatives, Schumer has supported each of his judges, and no Senator has used either their hold or filibuster abilities to halt the trillion-dollar pro-corporate bills going thru the senate.
Many countries have one-party rule.. America does as well, except that in typical American fashion, there's two of them.
- Pelosi has provided the $$ for each and every one of Trump's initiatives,
- Schumer has supported each of his judges, and
- no Senator has used either their hold or filibuster abilities to halt the trillion-dollar pro-corporate bills going thru the senate.
- Never funded "The Wall". Those funds were dubiously repurposed out of the Defense budget. Pretty sure there are other examples as well, but mostly what comes to mind are the recent examples of Trump taking credit for ideas Dems hammered into the Virus Relief bills.
- Schumer has supported under 30% of the Nominees. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7kz5da/here-are-the-senate-democrats-voting-for-trump-nominated-judges-and-why
- To the best of my knowledge the era of the secret hold has been over for a while now. It's now a meaningless gesture subject to the will of the Senate Majority leader. While the filibuster is a token effort now only employed by publicity hounds like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. Finally while cloture for bills still is at the 60 vote threshold, have to remember that since January, 2018 all the bills have been compromise bills. The only significant bill during the two prior years, the Tax Bill, was done by the Pubs thru the budget reconciliation procedure... the same tactic Dems used to pass the ACA.
Your grip of facts is right up there with Tucker C's...
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/dr-anthony-fauci-says-theres-181932973.html
Dr. Anthony Fauci says there's 'virtually no chance' that COVID-19 will be eradicated
Associated Press
Dr. Anthony Fauci said in an interview with NBC Sports on Saturday that there was little chance that the novel coronavirus, which causes the disease COVID-19, will be eradicated.
Fauci said that with "global travel, every single day, of literally hundreds of thousands of people coming into the United States every day from all over, there's no chance we're going to be virus-free."
He said that the 2003 SARS outbreak, caused by another type of coronavirus, was contained largely because it didn't spread as quickly as the novel coronavirus.
The novel coronavirus "is so transmissible, and it is so widespread throughout the world, that even if our infections get well controlled and go down dramatically during the summer, there is virtually no chance it will be eradicated," Fauci said.
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