Which Are You?

calfoxwc

Here's is what I think - some folks are missing the point. Let's do some bullets:

Yes, I'm a big 2nd Amendment guy, and carrying those AR-15's alienate folks who you are supposed to be trying to reach. I get your point, but a Gadsden flag would have been what I would have brought with me.
The wussification has occurred for several reasons - the constant taking for granted our FREEDOMS that men and women have fought for over the centuries. Blood, sweat and tears. The idea that FREEDOM could be lost if we lost our Constitution/Bill of Rights seems so far away - tweetybirds don't know American history, don't care about the Revolutionary War, etc etc etc etc. All they care about, is themselves. They've learned that nothing is more important that themselves. God, courage, empathy, principles, honor - nothing is worth protecting. All that is important - is self-gratification and rewards to doing nothing outside of "participating".
Public schools teach obedience and parroting. So much of it is ego on the part of instructors who don't really teach. Some of it is ideological - the instructor has a leftwing anti-status quo bent that he feeeeeeeelllllllls should be imposed into his/her students as "social engineering" has become the trojan horse via "common core".
It seems that initiative is lost when schools get bigger and bigger, and the lowest common denominator is what causes woodpeckers to fall in line with bitching and looking down on non-compliance with the accepted peer pressure norm. When I took over being an assistant scout master, my best friend went on to Ohio State.......my oldest helper in the troop was a big kid - great young guy - 5'11", 240, very strong, athletic. Still growing. I talked to him once when we were around the campfire - and asked him how good he thought he could be at football. He didn't LIKE football. He loved the outdoors, was determined that he was going to be a game warden. Loved fishing and camping, hiking, wildlife watching, botany....loved it completely. He said he got in a few fights over not playing football. And a defensive coach got upset with him for not going out, and finally got pretty smart ass with him. He told the ass... coach off and walked away. That is the kind of kid a LOT of kids are. They are the future of America - the fighters for what is good and true. And he knew more American history than I did. Amazing young guy.
Challenges - some love challenges, some get angry with them. Historically, men and women defeated challenges with blood, sweat and tears, and love for their independence. Courage ran through the veins of Americans, through WWII.... Somewhere along the way, the left kept bitching - telling people that challenges were not "fair" - the government should make them go away. Somewhere along the way - far too many lost adventure, discovery, invention, making their own way, making their own tools... a lot of folks were spoiled rotten. They didn't have to make something work or fix anything. They could just buy a new one. They didn't have to garden, they just went to a grocery and bought everything. They didn't have to have fruit trees. They didn't have to learn anything - they'd just pay someone who knew - to do it for them. Eventually, they ended up lost when hard times hit, and wanted the government to make any hardship go away.
History - American history, especially. Learning how oppression squelches the soul - how hard it was for America to become America - how hard it is to WIN freedom. It isn't free - and the price, when freedom is lost, is just as terrible a war the second time around. History teaches lessons to not repeat terrible mistakes made before. It teaches the terrible price our ancestors in America paid to become America. It teaches innovation, self-determination, courage, honor, principles, amazing accomplishments - scientific, mechanical, cultural, economic etc.... that have made America the most unique, profoundly free and powerful and good a country as there is on the planet.

and then there are social movements - so many anymore who bitch and belittle everything about life, about our country. They ridicule God, our American past, our Constitution/Bill of Rights, our Veterans/Military, and they helplessly are wired to be taken care of, agreed with, given participation awards, and receive the most attention and encouragement for the simplest grievance.

and anything that doesn't fit in their little self-world is hated.

Time for cowboy coffee.

We need more rugged pioneers. I don't think wussification lends itself to disappearing in the likes of cowards and soft-minded prima donnas.

Axe

@gorka said:

I thought Axe was a moderator too.

Oh hell no!!

I admin'd a large guitar site for about ten yrs. You fuckers are mild compared to them..

" But in a direct reply- I'll be more than happy to do it- as long as I can move or delete Cal's or Vambo's righty nonsense conspiracy crap tit for tat.... Still interested? Didn't think so... "

So you're fine with just moving a lib's "nonsense" but deleting a righty's.. ?

When I was an admin, that statement right there would have gotten you relieved from being a mod

Westside Steve

@axe said:

I'll ask the entire board again..

1) which are you?

Hopefully not one of the pussies.

2) Life is a fight, how hard have you been hit?

Nothing i haven't recovered fromWSS

Two pretty simple questions..

Gorka

@hoorta said:

Great- Live free and die. Sorry you have only one life to lose for the pandemic. One thing he's factually wrong on in that article- comparing covid mortality to flu. There's a difference to saying I know the risks, and I'm going to ignore them (or at least take them into account)- or I know the risks and I'm scared shitless of them.... Us mountaineers do that on a regular basis- at least when it's serious, not a casual stroll up a trail to the top. If I fuck up this move, belay- or trust that rock when it's iffy- I could get killed.

If you lost a relative to covid- I'd say you've been hit pretty hard. If your job is permanently gone, ditto.

You can say that about dying from anything.

Go ahead- said it before. Get- your your assault weapons out tough guys and protest the wussification of America. It's a free country- really. Just remember the virus doesn't care if you have a gun, or ten, or twenty. MHO is showing off your 2nd Amendment rights isn't going to get you anywhere fast.

Now wait a second, the only guns I own are my arms. And just for the record I don't own a bible either, I like sex, Rock and Roll and am not shy about looking at porn, I love science and the arts, and have a 4 yr. college degree.. Both sides like pretty much the same things except unlike liberals we have a sense of where to draw the lines. I believe there are only two genders.

PS- yeah overall, this country is turning into a nation of wimps. Yes indeed Gorka, the sheep are getting more easily terrorized year by year. But is the intent of the article that the fear mongerers have cried "WOLF!!! once too often?

You can look at it that way too. I was refuting the idea that it was solely an attempt to politicize.

Comparing America of today to the America of the 1700s? Most folks have no clue. But that was then, this is now. You don't have to worry about a nightly Indian attack, or figure out how to build that cabin all by yourself. Sure, there's maybe 1\10 of 1% of people out there who could, but that's not everybody. I've often said Bin Laden had the wrong targets. Take out a couple symbolic buildings? So what? Take out America's power grid? You'd have anarchy within a week.

Vambo

@hoorta said:

Oh, I could- when Ghoolie got the boot, my Moderation powers magically increased. But this is Steve's board to Moderate, I'm just a visitor here.

But in a direct reply- I'll be more than happy to do it- as long as I can move or delete Cal's or Vambo's righty nonsense conspiracy crap tit for tat.... Still interested? Didn't think so...

Westside Steve

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/us/university-kentucky-cheerleading/index.html

So guess which side the University of Kentucky is on? Haha. Naked college students? Alcohol consumption? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

WSS

Westside Steve

tiamat63

The main question we should be asking ourselves is this.

Jelly or fritter? Separates the men from the boys.

Westside Steve

@tiamat63 said:

The main question we should be asking ourselves is this.

Jelly or fritter? Separates the men from the boys.

Homophobe.

?

WSS

Westside Steve

Because the predictions like the models are based on bullshitt and politics.

WSS

MLD Woody

hoorta

@westside-steve said:

Because the predictions like the models are based on bullshitt and politics.

WSS

I hope the trend continues Steve. What I found interesting is using The Weather Channel's interactive map- the big outbreak in Georgia was centered around Atlanta. Only handfuls of cases out in the boondocks.

Yeah, nationally the daily death toll has been cut in half. Now that restrictions are being eased- I'm going to hold off till the end of the month on saying there was a lot of fear mongering going on.

Westside Steve

@hoorta said:

I hope the trend continues Steve. What I found interesting is using The Weather Channel's interactive map- the big outbreak in Georgia was centered around Atlanta. Only handfuls of cases out in the boondocks.

Yeah, nationally the daily death toll has been cut in half. Now that restrictions are being eased- I'm going to hold off till the end of the month on saying there was a lot of fear mongering going on.

I saw a map of the u.s. updated today can't find it now but most of the states we're in the color that represented reopening and a handful we're possibly reopening soon. Meaning still Crackdown. Ironically the ones that were still on Crackdown are the worst places in the Union. New York Pennsylvania New Jersey California Washington Oregon New Mexico??? Somebody else...

WSS

hoorta

@westside-steve said:

I saw a map of the u.s. updated today can't find it now but most of the states we're in the color that represented reopening and a handful we're possibly reopening soon. Meaning still Crackdown. Ironically the ones that were still on Crackdown are the worst places in the Union. New York Pennsylvania New Jersey California Washington Oregon New Mexico??? Somebody else...

WSS

Hey- I got a "please help" letter from my Indian School\ Mission in Thoreau NM about the situation there. According to them, it's bad. Of course some of those families on the Reservation are so isolated, their odds of contracting the virus are remote at best. Some still live in one room shacks with no running water, and depend on the Mission water truck to reload them once a week..

Westside Steve

@hoorta said:

Hey- I got a "please help" letter from my Indian School\ Mission in Thoreau NM about the situation there. According to them, it's bad. Of course some of those families on the Reservation are so isolated, their odds of contracting the virus are remote at best. Some still live in one room shacks with no running water, and depend on the Mission water truck to reload them once a week..

We completely fucked up the entire situation with the Indians. Should have just done what the Vikings did with the Irish.

WSS

Westside Steve

MLD Woody

@westside-steve said:

Come on...

This is as dumb of a meme as the "biohazard" one the Vambo algorithm posted.

Let's think. Why might there not be a lot of cases in South Dakota when compared to California?

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

Come on...

This is as dumb of a meme as the "biohazard" one the Vambo algorithm posted.

Let's think. Why might there not be a lot of cases in South Dakota when compared to California?

How about Florida and New York? How about Ohio and Michigan? How about Sweden and Denmark? The science is bulshit the models are bullshit and the politicians are bullshit.

WSS

Gorka

Michigan Sweden

9.9 Million population 10.2 Million population

700K largest city 900K largest city

4800/sq. mi. pop density largest city 4800/sq. mi. pop density largest city

COVID Timeline:

Michigan Sweden

March 10 - First reported COVID death

March 16 - All schools closed

March 18 - First reported COVID death

March 23 - Stay Home & businesses closed

March 23 - 1300 cases, 15 deaths March 23 - 2000 cases, 25 deaths

April 2 - HS, colleges and big groups banned

Considered one of the strictest states Criticized for just social distancing

Restaurants/shops open, no masks

Objective: Slow spread - 14 days at home Objective: Herd immunity

Note: Michiganders are following the order and staying home extremely well

ONE MONTH LATER:

Michigan Sweden

April 24 - 36,000 cases, 3,100 deaths April 24 - 18,000, 2,200 deaths

April 24 - 310 deaths per million April 24 - 217 death per million

Average age: 75 Average age: 80 (87% deaths over age 70)

(Testing criteria has varied over time in the two places, but both places will have tested all those who passed away over the last month.)

Michigan acted quicker and harder than Sweden since March 23. That cannot be disputed. Since that time, Michigan COVID-related deaths have increased 206% and Sweden is up only 88%. Michigan appears to be doing "worse" over the last four weeks than a place trying to infect its population to some degree. That was not expected.

Not saying Michigan's stricter rules have caused more COVID problems and not saying herd immunity will prevail. (Maybe it will. Maybe it won't.)

HOWEVER, regardless of the objective, how do you argue shutting everything has been a better course of action than simple social distancing at this point? What is the argument that extending it would somehow miraculously start to help six weeks later?

The results do not appear to support it (after TWICE the quarantine time).

MGoBoard

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SD_Tom

@mld-woody said:

I regret giving that site a click

What kind of a brain dead moron would actually seek out articles like that?

You've never been on this board before?