An Incalculable Loss...
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Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.Mar 23, 2020
Yup people die every day from heart attacks, strokes, and cancer too.... But then were talking covid deaths here....
Yup people die every day from heart attacks, strokes, and cancer too.... But then were talking covid deaths here....
So? Humankind has always been plagued with viruses and such, no?
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So? Humankind has always been plagued with viruses and such, no?
A typical deflection that had nothing to do with covid... That 100k far surpasses US casualties in the VietNam war, and depending on the stats you want to believe, more Confederate battle deaths in the Civil War.
Certainly- if you want to compare covid to the Black Death that wiped out at least 1\3rd of the world's population- it's minor league. BTW- yersina pestis is still around.
But he can't blame Trump on those.
I haven't said one word in this thread about blaming Trump. I'll let The Lancet do the talking for me....
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Yup, the video showed a 1\1,000 error rate. Trump thinks it's more like 25% by the leftist press to make him look bad. Why do I even bother anymore? I predicted 100k before June 1st, and sadly I was right.
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.Mar 23, 2020Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.Mar 23, 2020Wow. That is a lot. More than double the amount of COVID deaths per day. We are just approaching 100k COVID deaths.. Not sure if we will ever reach 480K.
Depending on when this shit arrived, we're 5 or six month's into it, no?
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So? Humankind has always been plagued with viruses and such, no?
A typical deflection that had nothing to do with covid... That 100k far surpasses US casualties in the VietNam war, and depending on the stats you want to believe, more Confederate battle deaths in the Civil War.
Certainly- if you want to compare covid to the Black Death that wiped out at least 1\3rd of the world's population- it's minor league. BTW- yersina pestis is still around.
But he can't blame Trump on those.
I haven't said one word in this thread about blaming Trump. I'll let The Lancet do the talking for me....
A typical deflection that had nothing to do with covid... That 100k far surpasses US casualties in the VietNam war, and depending on the stats you want to believe, more Confederate battle deaths in the Civil War.
Certainly- if you want to compare covid to the Black Death that wiped out at least 1\3rd of the world's population- it's minor league. BTW- yersina pestis is still around.
I haven't said one word in this thread about blaming Trump. I'll let The Lancet do the talking for me....
Deflection?? Don't confuse deflection with putting things into perspective.
What has been done to this country over a hysteria was a mistake by some and unforgivable to others. .
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Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.Mar 23, 2020
Wow. That is a lot. More than double the amount of COVID deaths per day. We are just approaching 100k COVID deaths.. Not sure if we will ever reach 480K.
Depending on when this shit arrived, we're 5 or six month's into it, no?
Wow. That is a lot. More than double the amount of COVID deaths per day. We are just approaching 100k COVID deaths.. Not sure if we will ever reach 480K.
Depending on when this shit arrived, we're 5 or six month's into it, no?
But but but covid-19 is worse...hide!
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So? Humankind has always been plagued with viruses and such, no?
A typical deflection that had nothing to do with covid... That 100k far surpasses US casualties in the VietNam war, and depending on the stats you want to believe, more Confederate battle deaths in the Civil War.
Certainly- if you want to compare covid to the Black Death that wiped out at least 1\3rd of the world's population- it's minor league. BTW- yersina pestis is still around.
But he can't blame Trump on those.
I haven't said one word in this thread about blaming Trump. I'll let The Lancet do the talking for me....
A typical deflection that had nothing to do with covid... That 100k far surpasses US casualties in the VietNam war, and depending on the stats you want to believe, more Confederate battle deaths in the Civil War.
Certainly- if you want to compare covid to the Black Death that wiped out at least 1\3rd of the world's population- it's minor league. BTW- yersina pestis is still around.
I haven't said one word in this thread about blaming Trump. I'll let The Lancet do the talking for me....
- The cigarette catastrophe continues
There is a myth of sorts that cigarettes are a solved problem. This can be heard when the topic turns to sugar or obesity or the climate crisis, where hopes are raised that these problems, too, might be solved “the way we fixed tobacco”. Of course that is convenient for the makers of cigarettes, who want us to think of tobacco-related death as something from the distant past, a kind of archaism we don't really need to fret too much about.
The fact is that cigarette use remains the world's leading preventable cause of death, killing roughly 6 million people every year. That number will stay high over the next couple of decades, as the toll of present habits is taken. Disease rates from smoking peak about 30 years after peak rates of consumption, which explains why most of the epidemic lies in the future. Global smoking has now reached an astonishing 6 trillion cigarettes per year, nearly double what it was only four decades ago. That is why most of the cigarette holocaust is yet to come: in 2001 I published a paper predicting that whereas about 100 million people died from smoking in the 20th century, we could expect up to a billion deaths in the present century—assuming that nothing is done to reverse the trend. -
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Yup, the video showed a 1\1,000 error rate. Trump thinks it's more like 25% by the leftist press to make him look bad. Why do I even bother anymore? I predicted 100k before June 1st, and sadly I was right.
Initially were not over a million Americans predicted to die? You should be saying you're GLAD you were right.
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sadly, per the Canton paper - 70% of covid19 deaths in Ohio - nursing home folks. Their health is so often too fragile.
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A typical deflection that had nothing to do with covid... That 100k far surpasses US casualties in the VietNam war, and depending on the stats you want to believe, more Confederate battle deaths in the Civil War.
Certainly- if you want to compare covid to the Black Death that wiped out at least 1\3rd of the world's population- it's minor league. BTW- yersina pestis is still around.
I haven't said one word in this thread about blaming Trump. I'll let The Lancet do the talking for me....
- The cigarette catastrophe continues
There is a myth of sorts that cigarettes are a solved problem. This can be heard when the topic turns to sugar or obesity or the climate crisis, where hopes are raised that these problems, too, might be solved “the way we fixed tobacco”. Of course that is convenient for the makers of cigarettes, who want us to think of tobacco-related death as something from the distant past, a kind of archaism we don't really need to fret too much about.
The fact is that cigarette use remains the world's leading preventable cause of death, killing roughly 6 million people every year. That number will stay high over the next couple of decades, as the toll of present habits is taken. Disease rates from smoking peak about 30 years after peak rates of consumption, which explains why most of the epidemic lies in the future. Global smoking has now reached an astonishing 6 trillion cigarettes per year, nearly double what it was only four decades ago. That is why most of the cigarette holocaust is yet to come: in 2001 I published a paper predicting that whereas about 100 million people died from smoking in the 20th century, we could expect up to a billion deaths in the present century—assuming that nothing is done to reverse the trend.- The cigarette catastrophe continues
There is a myth of sorts that cigarettes are a solved problem. This can be heard when the topic turns to sugar or obesity or the climate crisis, where hopes are raised that these problems, too, might be solved “the way we fixed tobacco”. Of course that is convenient for the makers of cigarettes, who want us to think of tobacco-related death as something from the distant past, a kind of archaism we don't really need to fret too much about.
The fact is that cigarette use remains the world's leading preventable cause of death, killing roughly 6 million people every year. That number will stay high over the next couple of decades, as the toll of present habits is taken. Disease rates from smoking peak about 30 years after peak rates of consumption, which explains why most of the epidemic lies in the future. Global smoking has now reached an astonishing 6 trillion cigarettes per year, nearly double what it was only four decades ago. That is why most of the cigarette holocaust is yet to come: in 2001 I published a paper predicting that whereas about 100 million people died from smoking in the 20th century, we could expect up to a billion deaths in the present century—assuming that nothing is done to reverse the trend.Yup it's a problem all right. The difference is a person chooses smoking or vaping. Did you notice the #1 preventable cause of death? Are there still people out that are unaware smoking is really bad for you? Unless you're out of you mind- you don't choose to get corona. Well, if you want to run around now in crowed bars and ignore the health warnings, your choice- and same difference. BTW, we've passed the annual number of alcohol related deaths in two months.
I really don't get why you want to keep harping on tobacco deaths in an article highlighting covid deaths. Because it's "only" 100k so far? You're not impressing me one bit.
And the number of people who smoke in American is down drastically.... https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-tobacco-trends
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sadly, per the Canton paper - 70% of covid19 deaths in Ohio - nursing home folks. Their health is so often too fragile.
sadly, per the Canton paper - 70% of covid19 deaths in Ohio - nursing home folks. Their health is so often too fragile.
Yes Cal, I've said that a lot of the nursing home covid deaths were a result of the virus being the final nail in their coffin. Annie Glenn's death at 100 was primarily from old age. But you can't put that down as a cause of death. My Mom is 91 and in assisted living. If she contracts covid, she's a goner for sure.
I'm not going to go digging around for the article- but it pretty plainly put the numbers out there- that as the number of comorbidity factors increased- the odds that you were going to die if you came down with covid went up right along with it. I'd say being over 85 is a factor in and of itself.
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- The cigarette catastrophe continues
There is a myth of sorts that cigarettes are a solved problem. This can be heard when the topic turns to sugar or obesity or the climate crisis, where hopes are raised that these problems, too, might be solved “the way we fixed tobacco”. Of course that is convenient for the makers of cigarettes, who want us to think of tobacco-related death as something from the distant past, a kind of archaism we don't really need to fret too much about.
The fact is that cigarette use remains the world's leading preventable cause of death, killing roughly 6 million people every year. That number will stay high over the next couple of decades, as the toll of present habits is taken. Disease rates from smoking peak about 30 years after peak rates of consumption, which explains why most of the epidemic lies in the future. Global smoking has now reached an astonishing 6 trillion cigarettes per year, nearly double what it was only four decades ago. That is why most of the cigarette holocaust is yet to come: in 2001 I published a paper predicting that whereas about 100 million people died from smoking in the 20th century, we could expect up to a billion deaths in the present century—assuming that nothing is done to reverse the trend.Yup it's a problem all right. The difference is a person chooses smoking or vaping. Did you notice the #1 preventable cause of death? Are there still people out that are unaware smoking is really bad for you? Unless you're out of you mind- you don't choose to get corona. Well, if you want to run around now in crowed bars and ignore the health warnings, your choice- and same difference. BTW, we've passed the annual number of alcohol related deaths in two months.
I really don't get why you want to keep harping on tobacco deaths in an article highlighting covid deaths. Because it's "only" 100k so far? You're not impressing me one bit.
And the number of people who smoke in American is down drastically.... https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-tobacco-trends
Yup it's a problem all right. The difference is a person chooses smoking or vaping. Did you notice the #1 preventable cause of death? Are there still people out that are unaware smoking is really bad for you? Unless you're out of you mind- you don't choose to get corona. Well, if you want to run around now in crowed bars and ignore the health warnings, your choice- and same difference. BTW, we've passed the annual number of alcohol related deaths in two months.
I really don't get why you want to keep harping on tobacco deaths in an article highlighting covid deaths. Because it's "only" 100k so far? You're not impressing me one bit.
And the number of people who smoke in American is down drastically.... https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-tobacco-trends
Which is the biggest cause of death covid or smoking? You state it's preventable but yet they don't prevent it..." The fact is that cigarette use remains the world's leading preventable cause of death, killing roughly 6 million people every year. " So one can only reason it's not about saving lives.
Which has shutdown the country? Hello McFly... you're not impressing anyone.
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Yup it's a problem all right. The difference is a person chooses smoking or vaping. Did you notice the #1 preventable cause of death? Are there still people out that are unaware smoking is really bad for you? Unless you're out of you mind- you don't choose to get corona. Well, if you want to run around now in crowed bars and ignore the health warnings, your choice- and same difference. BTW, we've passed the annual number of alcohol related deaths in two months.
I really don't get why you want to keep harping on tobacco deaths in an article highlighting covid deaths. Because it's "only" 100k so far? You're not impressing me one bit.
And the number of people who smoke in American is down drastically.... https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-tobacco-trends
Which is the biggest cause of death covid or smoking? You state it's preventable but yet they don't prevent it..." The fact is that cigarette use remains the world's leading preventable cause of death, killing roughly 6 million people every year. " So one can only reason it's not about saving lives.
Which has shutdown the country? Hello McFly... you're not impressing anyone.
Which is the biggest cause of death covid or smoking? You state it's preventable but yet they don't prevent it..." The fact is that cigarette use remains the world's leading preventable cause of death, killing roughly 6 million people every year. " So one can only reason it's not about saving lives.
Which has shutdown the country? Hello McFly... you're not impressing anyone.
Covid is a disease- you're talking about a habit. Apples and oranges. In case you forgot- we tried banning alcohol- and it didn't work. Smokers would have their little tobacco plant garden in the back yard if we tried the same.
We pretty much took the direction every other country did in shutting down things. Now if you're in the "Give me Liberty and Give me Death" crowd who thinks we should have gone the Swedish route and gone about business as usual- I'd hazard a guess we'd be approaching those smoking death totals right now. Be proud America is #1 in the world- in covid deaths- with those restrictions. And we do know the virus can spread like wildfire- and it's a lot more lethal in symptomatic cases than flu that some folks like to drag up as a comparison. -
Or, ya know, one of those things actually being contagious
Again, amazing some are so politically biased it affects how they view an infectious disease and pandemic.
Scientific issues getting politicized is a problem. As stated in another thread, an increase in scientific illiteracy and misinformation is a danger to society. Hive mind / echo chambers online and more older folks that didn't come up with the internet and learn how to distinguish what a legitimate source is just adds to it.
The people falling for Facebook links and OANN links today are the ones getting scammed on QVC tomorrow
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
my gosh you are a notoriously ignorant bigot.
"scary old people"
"scary some people"
"scary illiterate in science people"
greta woodpecka strikes again.
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Which is the biggest cause of death covid or smoking? You state it's preventable but yet they don't prevent it..." The fact is that cigarette use remains the world's leading preventable cause of death, killing roughly 6 million people every year. " So one can only reason it's not about saving lives.
Which has shutdown the country? Hello McFly... you're not impressing anyone.
Covid is a disease- you're talking about a habit. Apples and oranges. In case you forgot- we tried banning alcohol- and it didn't work. Smokers would have their little tobacco plant garden in the back yard if we tried the same.
We pretty much took the direction every other country did in shutting down things. Now if you're in the "Give me Liberty and Give me Death" crowd who thinks we should have gone the Swedish route and gone about business as usual- I'd hazard a guess we'd be approaching those smoking death totals right now. Be proud America is #1 in the world- in covid deaths- with those restrictions. And we do know the virus can spread like wildfire- and it's a lot more lethal in symptomatic cases than flu that some folks like to drag up as a comparison.Covid is a disease- you're talking about a habit. Apples and oranges. In case you forgot- we tried banning alcohol- and it didn't work. Smokers would have their little tobacco plant garden in the back yard if we tried the same.
No I'm talking about DEATHS apples to apples...one CAN be prevented one is still an unknown with considerably fewer DEATHS which one is an issue for November?
We pretty much took the direction every other country did in shutting down things. Now if you're in the "Give me Liberty and Give me Death" crowd who thinks we should have gone the Swedish route and gone about business as usual- I'd hazard a guess we'd be approaching those smoking death totals right now. Be proud America is #1 in the world- in covid deaths- with those restrictions. And we do know the virus can spread like wildfire- and it's a lot more lethal in symptomatic cases than flu that some folks like to drag up as a comparison.I'm saying if you truly want to save lives why would you concentrate on the one you can't stop at this point in time and not the one which you can stop which kills at a greater rate?
Keeping people out of work will only result in greater suffering and death.
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Covid is a disease- you're talking about a habit. Apples and oranges. In case you forgot- we tried banning alcohol- and it didn't work. Smokers would have their little tobacco plant garden in the back yard if we tried the same.
No I'm talking about DEATHS apples to apples...one CAN be prevented one is still an unknown with considerably fewer DEATHS which one is an issue for November?
We pretty much took the direction every other country did in shutting down things. Now if you're in the "Give me Liberty and Give me Death" crowd who thinks we should have gone the Swedish route and gone about business as usual- I'd hazard a guess we'd be approaching those smoking death totals right now. Be proud America is #1 in the world- in covid deaths- with those restrictions. And we do know the virus can spread like wildfire- and it's a lot more lethal in symptomatic cases than flu that some folks like to drag up as a comparison.I'm saying if you truly want to save lives why would you concentrate on the one you can't stop at this point in time and not the one which you can stop which kills at a greater rate?
Keeping people out of work will only result in greater suffering and death.
I'm saying if you truly want to save lives why would you concentrate on the one you can't stop at this point in time and not the one which you can stop which kills at a greater rate?
Keeping people out of work will only result in greater suffering and death.
Now your tilting at windmills- ban smoking? Lotsa luck there....
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I'm saying if you truly want to save lives why would you concentrate on the one you can't stop at this point in time and not the one which you can stop which kills at a greater rate?
Keeping people out of work will only result in greater suffering and death.
Now your tilting at windmills- ban smoking? Lotsa luck there....
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