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  • Sony Reed S
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    S Sony Reed wrote on last edited by
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    I don't want to rain on anyones parade, but folks lets examine what this team is all about this season.....We are REBUILDING

    This team does not have much talent, everyone is upset about last night but what you saw is much of what you will get this season

    This team is at least 2 drafts away from contending and Mangini getting his type of players

    This team has with the exception of Edwards and Cribbs zero offensive playmakers, and please people lets get off the Jerome Harrison as a every down back the guy is not and never will be a every down NFL running back

    On Defense until we get some guys who can rush the passer and create turnovers we won't contend, When are the Browns going to admit they made a mistake with Wimbley and move on? The guy is a BUST and a new coaching staff is not going to change that

    This defense has maybe 3 guys that could start for most NFL teams the remaining players on defense are role players or backups

    The offensive line is not a good as most people on this board think it is, we have Thomas and a developing Mack and thats it folks, Steinbach, Womack, Tucker, St.Clair these guys have all played there best football, look over the next 2 drafts for a RG, LG and RT

    On a final note neither QB is a Franchise QB and I believe Mangini will regret the day he traded a Franchise QB in Sanchez to the Jets, Brady Quinn is not the guy and many people will find out this season why he lasted as long as he did in the draft, the Browns are still going to have to draft a franchise quarterback because that guy is not on this roster

    So lets enjoy the season and watch the young guys we drafted develop over the season and hope in the next 2 years we get it right this time

    Not attempting to be Doom and Gloom just how I see this team........If we win 4 games consider it a good season

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      I don't want to rain on anyones parade, but folks lets examine what this team is all about this season.....We are REBUILDING

      This team does not have much talent, everyone is upset about last night but what you saw is much of what you will get this season

      This team is at least 2 drafts away from contending and Mangini getting his type of players

      This team has with the exception of Edwards and Cribbs zero offensive playmakers, and please people lets get off the Jerome Harrison as a every down back the guy is not and never will be a every down NFL running back

      On Defense until we get some guys who can rush the passer and create turnovers we won't contend, When are the Browns going to admit they made a mistake with Wimbley and move on? The guy is a BUST and a new coaching staff is not going to change that

      This defense has maybe 3 guys that could start for most NFL teams the remaining players on defense are role players or backups

      The offensive line is not a good as most people on this board think it is, we have Thomas and a developing Mack and thats it folks, Steinbach, Womack, Tucker, St.Clair these guys have all played there best football, look over the next 2 drafts for a RG, LG and RT

      On a final note neither QB is a Franchise QB and I believe Mangini will regret the day he traded a Franchise QB in Sanchez to the Jets, Brady Quinn is not the guy and many people will find out this season why he lasted as long as he did in the draft, the Browns are still going to have to draft a franchise quarterback because that guy is not on this roster

      So lets enjoy the season and watch the young guys we drafted develop over the season and hope in the next 2 years we get it right this time

      Not attempting to be Doom and Gloom just how I see this team........If we win 4 games consider it a good season

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      @sony-reed said:

      I don't want to rain on anyones parade, but folks lets examine what this team is all about this season.....We are REBUILDING

      This team does not have much talent, everyone is upset about last night but what you saw is much of what you will get this season

      This team is at least 2 drafts away from contending and Mangini getting his type of players

      This team has with the exception of Edwards and Cribbs zero offensive playmakers, and please people lets get off the Jerome Harrison as a every down back the guy is not and never will be a every down NFL running back

      On Defense until we get some guys who can rush the passer and create turnovers we won't contend, When are the Browns going to admit they made a mistake with Wimbley and move on? The guy is a BUST and a new coaching staff is not going to change that

      This defense has maybe 3 guys that could start for most NFL teams the remaining players on defense are role players or backups

      The offensive line is not a good as most people on this board think it is, we have Thomas and a developing Mack and thats it folks, Steinbach, Womack, Tucker, St.Clair these guys have all played there best football, look over the next 2 drafts for a RG, LG and RT

      On a final note neither QB is a Franchise QB and I believe Mangini will regret the day he traded a Franchise QB in Sanchez to the Jets, Brady Quinn is not the guy and many people will find out this season why he lasted as long as he did in the draft, the Browns are still going to have to draft a franchise quarterback because that guy is not on this roster

      So lets enjoy the season and watch the young guys we drafted develop over the season and hope in the next 2 years we get it right this time

      Not attempting to be Doom and Gloom just how I see this team........If we win 4 games consider it a good season

      Quinn>Sanchez. Though I believe both are system QB's. So is Anderson, but we aren't running a scheme that fits his skills. We all want a franchise QB, but there are only a few of those in the league. You gotta find a QB that fits your scheme and run with him. The franchise stuff is gravy.

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        Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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        Wow all of this after one pre-season game? Dude, come on.

        Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
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          Wow all of this after one pre-season game? Dude, come on.

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          @kosar_for_president said:

          Wow all of this after one pre-season game? Dude, come on.

          It comes from seeing the exact same plain vanilla crap we have seen for 4 years seeing no improvement on either side of the ball it looks exactly like where we left off last year including the qb controversy which should now be over but isnt because DA hasnt won it yet...

          The O and D lines lack any punch whatsoever and cave in on one vs one encounters and collapse if there is a double team and our linebackers are still statues happily looking to engage the blocker while the ball carrier goes freely jetting by...

          Our running game appears non existant with no decent RBs or power blocking to plow the row BE still has the dropsies and DA just sucks and deserves to be perma benched...

          Mangini needs to name BQ starter and jump past the RAC 101 white ice baby vanilla crap and getthe defense moving around and paying attention to where the ball is the sooner he names a starter the sooner the offense can begin to focus...

          Sure its only preseason game 1 but i think the browns and skins are the only teams that didnt score and we werent the ones playing the ravens...

          We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
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            ? mz. wrote on last edited by
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            Sony is a rich4eagle clone through and through. Pessimism (which is different than lack of confidence BTW) abounds and a paen to the glory days and the inefficiency of the current regime are not far behind.

            Take this crap with a boulder of salt.

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              Sony is a rich4eagle clone through and through. Pessimism (which is different than lack of confidence BTW) abounds and a paen to the glory days and the inefficiency of the current regime are not far behind.

              Take this crap with a boulder of salt.

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              mz. said:

              Sony is a rich4eagle clone through and through. Pessimism (which is different than lack of confidence BTW) abounds and a paen to the glory days and the inefficiency of the current regime are not far behind.

              Take this crap with a boulder of salt.

              As opposed to believing everything is alright? 😕

              The OP isnt really that pessimistic... I agree with most of the points.

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                There's a difference between being pessimistic for a point in time and being pessimistic overall.

                The OP and his brethren strike me as the latter.

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                  Wow all of this after one pre-season game? Dude, come on.

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                  S Sony Reed wrote on last edited by
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                  @kosar_for_president said:

                  Wow all of this after one pre-season game? Dude, come on.

                  Yea, all this after the first season game.....tell me what is there to be excited about

                  Tell me what I said you disagree with?

                  You don't think this team is rebuilding then you are blind

                  I guess you like watching Jamal Lewis washed up a** at running back

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                    There's a difference between being pessimistic for a point in time and being pessimistic overall.

                    The OP and his brethren strike me as the latter.

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                    S Sony Reed wrote on last edited by
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                    mz. said:

                    There's a difference between being pessimistic for a point in time and being pessimistic overall.

                    The OP and his brethren strike me as the latter.

                    This team lacks talent.....what do you not understand

                    You tell me where all this talent is, and I am not just speaking of one Pre Season game

                    Tell me why I should be excited?

                    Do you really believe talent wise this team compares to the top teams in the AFC and AFC North

                    We have No Quarterback, No running back and one NFL starting wide receiver, one LB and a bunch of backups and role players

                    We have a couple of young guys who may good but they are at least one year away

                    Stop drinking the Kool Aid and take a close look at this team its CRAP

                    Most of the veterans on this team will be gone after this year as Mangini brings in his own type of players

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                      @kosar_for_president said:

                      Wow all of this after one pre-season game? Dude, come on.

                      Yea, all this after the first season game.....tell me what is there to be excited about

                      Tell me what I said you disagree with?

                      You don't think this team is rebuilding then you are blind

                      I guess you like watching Jamal Lewis washed up a** at running back

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                      @sony-reed said:

                      Yea, all this after the first season game.....tell me what is there to be excited about

                      Tell me what I said you disagree with?

                      You don't think this team is rebuilding then you are blind

                      I guess you like watching Jamal Lewis washed up a** at running back

                      Pontbriand had a good game.

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                        mz. said:

                        There's a difference between being pessimistic for a point in time and being pessimistic overall.

                        The OP and his brethren strike me as the latter.

                        This team lacks talent.....what do you not understand

                        You tell me where all this talent is, and I am not just speaking of one Pre Season game

                        Tell me why I should be excited?

                        Do you really believe talent wise this team compares to the top teams in the AFC and AFC North

                        We have No Quarterback, No running back and one NFL starting wide receiver, one LB and a bunch of backups and role players

                        We have a couple of young guys who may good but they are at least one year away

                        Stop drinking the Kool Aid and take a close look at this team its CRAP

                        Most of the veterans on this team will be gone after this year as Mangini brings in his own type of players

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                        chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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                        @sony-reed said:

                        We have No Quarterback, No running back and one NFL starting wide receiver, one LB and a bunch of backups and role players

                        this is why no-ones fulfilling your proposal to make your whiny ass feel better.....you know nothing of which you speak.

                        we MAY have a QB, have 2 RB's, and no #1 wide receiver. you say this team lacks talent, yet you lack the ability to judge them.

                        no reason to waste anymore time refuting your bitching.

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                          @sony-reed said:

                          Yea, all this after the first season game.....tell me what is there to be excited about

                          Tell me what I said you disagree with?

                          You don't think this team is rebuilding then you are blind

                          I guess you like watching Jamal Lewis washed up a** at running back

                          Pontbriand had a good game.

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                          S Sony Reed wrote on last edited by
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                          @roach said:

                          Pontbriand had a good game.

                          Roach, its sad when we have to talk about our long snapper having a good game

                          Do you think the Jets are missing Mangini

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                            @sony-reed said:

                            We have No Quarterback, No running back and one NFL starting wide receiver, one LB and a bunch of backups and role players

                            this is why no-ones fulfilling your proposal to make your whiny ass feel better.....you know nothing of which you speak.

                            we MAY have a QB, have 2 RB's, and no #1 wide receiver. you say this team lacks talent, yet you lack the ability to judge them.

                            no reason to waste anymore time refuting your bitching.

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                            S Sony Reed wrote on last edited by
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                            @choco said:

                            this is why no-ones fulfilling your proposal to make your whiny ass feel better.....you know nothing of which you speak.

                            we MAY have a QB, have 2 RB's, and no #1 wide receiver. you say this team lacks talent, yet you lack the ability to judge them.

                            no reason to waste anymore time refuting your bitching.

                            Continue drinking the Kool Aid.....A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY DAY

                            What is there to Judge

                            I am done with you.............You are just a STUPID BROWNS FAN....I know this is a playoff team in your opinion Lol

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                              This team does lack talent. We all knew that and dicussed it the entire offseason.

                              The area this shows up most isn't in the role player but the playmaker.

                              We have one defensive playmaker and unfortunately for us he plays NT in the 3-4 (versus tackle in a 4-3 where you can "play make" more).

                              We have one offensive playmaker and he is notoriously inconsistent (BE).

                              That's a recipe for a lot of losses as it will require near perfect execution by the "team" to win games. You won't have a crucial sack by a Demarcus Ware. You won't have a long run off an average OL effort like you can get with a Peterson. You won't have a big INT or pass breakup like what an Ed Reed can give you.

                              Its going to be tough unless some guys not currently labeled as playmakers emerge and its hard to see that happening from any of the FA's we've brought in. As for the younger guys we've drafted in recent years.... time will tell.

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                                @choco said:

                                this is why no-ones fulfilling your proposal to make your whiny ass feel better.....you know nothing of which you speak.

                                we MAY have a QB, have 2 RB's, and no #1 wide receiver. you say this team lacks talent, yet you lack the ability to judge them.

                                no reason to waste anymore time refuting your bitching.

                                Continue drinking the Kool Aid.....A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY DAY

                                What is there to Judge

                                I am done with you.............You are just a STUPID BROWNS FAN....I know this is a playoff team in your opinion Lol

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                                chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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                                @sony-reed said:

                                I know this is a playoff team in your opinion Lol

                                again...you dont know shit.

                                ive never posted a prediction....never indicated anything one way or the other with an exception of a preference DA over brady last year. and if you look around, you'll see i changed my mind. why is that?

                                the difference between us is that im here to learn as well.....youre here to talk.

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                                  This team does lack talent. We all knew that and dicussed it the entire offseason.

                                  The area this shows up most isn't in the role player but the playmaker.

                                  We have one defensive playmaker and unfortunately for us he plays NT in the 3-4 (versus tackle in a 4-3 where you can "play make" more).

                                  We have one offensive playmaker and he is notoriously inconsistent (BE).

                                  That's a recipe for a lot of losses as it will require near perfect execution by the "team" to win games. You won't have a crucial sack by a Demarcus Ware. You won't have a long run off an average OL effort like you can get with a Peterson. You won't have a big INT or pass breakup like what an Ed Reed can give you.

                                  Its going to be tough unless some guys not currently labeled as playmakers emerge and its hard to see that happening from any of the FA's we've brought in. As for the younger guys we've drafted in recent years.... time will tell.

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                                  S Sony Reed wrote on last edited by
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                                  @greythan said:

                                  This team does lack talent. We all knew that and dicussed it the entire offseason.

                                  The area this shows up most isn't in the role player but the playmaker.

                                  We have one defensive playmaker and unfortunately for us he plays NT in the 3-4 (versus tackle in a 4-3 where you can "play make" more).

                                  We have one offensive playmaker and he is notoriously inconsistent (BE).

                                  That's a recipe for a lot of losses as it will require near perfect execution by the "team" to win games. You won't have a crucial sack by a Demarcus Ware. You won't have a long run off an average OL effort like you can get with a Peterson. You won't have a big INT or pass breakup like what an Ed Reed can give you.

                                  Its going to be tough unless some guys not currently labeled as playmakers emerge and its hard to see that happening from any of the FA's we've brought in. As for the younger guys we've drafted in recent years.... time will tell.

                                  You are 100% correct

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                                    @sony-reed said:

                                    I know this is a playoff team in your opinion Lol

                                    again...you dont know shit.

                                    ive never posted a prediction....never indicated anything one way or the other with an exception of a preference DA over brady last year. and if you look around, you'll see i changed my mind. why is that?

                                    the difference between us is that im here to learn as well.....youre here to talk.

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                                    S Sony Reed wrote on last edited by
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                                    @choco said:

                                    again...you dont know shit.

                                    ive never posted a prediction....never indicated anything one way or the other with an exception of a preference DA over brady last year. and if you look around, you'll see i changed my mind. why is that?

                                    the difference between us is that im here to learn as well.....youre here to talk.

                                    Dueces

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                                      @choco said:

                                      this is why no-ones fulfilling your proposal to make your whiny ass feel better.....you know nothing of which you speak.

                                      we MAY have a QB, have 2 RB's, and no #1 wide receiver. you say this team lacks talent, yet you lack the ability to judge them.

                                      no reason to waste anymore time refuting your bitching.

                                      Continue drinking the Kool Aid.....A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY DAY

                                      What is there to Judge

                                      I am done with you.............You are just a STUPID BROWNS FAN....I know this is a playoff team in your opinion Lol

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                                      @sony-reed said:

                                      Continue drinking the Kool Aid.....A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY DAY

                                      Thanks for proving me correct, old man.

                                      Can one not be realistic and a fan at the same time? We (ALL OF US) realize we aren't the Pats, Colts or Eagles, talent-wise, but we're still fans nevertheless. In your eyes, that makes us saps. In ours, it makes us excited for the brand new season to start.

                                      Pray for us, Sony. We beg your forgiveness...

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                                        @roach said:

                                        Pontbriand had a good game.

                                        Roach, its sad when we have to talk about our long snapper having a good game

                                        Do you think the Jets are missing Mangini

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                                        @sony-reed said:

                                        Roach, its sad when we have to talk about our long snapper having a good game

                                        Do you think the Jets are missing Mangini

                                        That is why Roach made the comment.

                                        We do lack talent. We only have 2-3 guys who could actually start for a top 25% team.

                                        If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                          @shepwrite said:

                                          No NFL team lacks talent. They draft in inverse order of success and take the best college players. It wouldn't make any sense to say one team or another lacks talent. Ask any player -- every team has scads of gifted athletes.

                                          The difference maker seems to be organizational, mostly continuity in ownership, head coach, offensive and defensive systems, and quarterback.

                                          The cornerstone positions in football (tweaked for a 3-4) are left tackle, quarterback, #1 WR, pass rusher, nose tackle, and cover corner. The Browns have Thomas, Quinn, Edwards, Wimbley, Rogers, and Wright at those positions. Every single one but Wright was a first round pick, and right was, what? 33rd overall?

                                          Does anybody think these guys lack talent? I certainly don't. I think the overall franchise needs to find, establish, and maintain identity and continuity from the top down. Before that happens, we'll be rebuilding every other year.

                                          I'd add talent doesn't do any good if it isn't properly used. We see time and again guys who look washed up or just bad on one team, then a pro bowler the next on a new team. Of course to your point, it is usually when they move to a team with established organizational and coaching continuity.

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