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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
    #36

    One of the issues from back in the day for both the SEC and the SWC.....was:  segregation.    Some of the greatest players that came out of the south didn't play at the "big schools"   because they were black.

    Places like Grambling got some of the players that would eventually become great pros.    Joe Greene had to go to North Texas St.  (don't you think that either Texas/TAMU/OK  could have used a guy like that.  Gene Upsha/Darrell Green went to Texas A&I. 

    We could probably get a damned good team just taking guys that came from the TBCs (Traditional Black Colleges)  Doug Williams at QB,  Walter Payton,  maybe Jerry Rice (not sure if his school was a TBCs)  John Stallworth....a few just off the top of my head.  

  • One of the issues from back in the day for both the SEC and the SWC.....was:  segregation.    Some of the greatest players that came out of the south didn't play at the "big schools"   because they were black.

    Places like Grambling got some of the players that would eventually become great pros.    Joe Greene had to go to North Texas St.  (don't you think that either Texas/TAMU/OK  could have used a guy like that.  Gene Upsha/Darrell Green went to Texas A&I. 

    We could probably get a damned good team just taking guys that came from the TBCs (Traditional Black Colleges)  Doug Williams at QB,  Walter Payton,  maybe Jerry Rice (not sure if his school was a TBCs)  John Stallworth....a few just off the top of my head.  

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
    #37

    @the-gipper said:

    One of the issues from back in the day for both the SEC and the SWC.....was:  segregation.    Some of the greatest players that came out of the south didn't play at the "big schools"   because they were black.

    Places like Grambling got some of the players that would eventually become great pros.    Joe Greene had to go to North Texas St.  (don't you think that either Texas/TAMU/OK  could have used a guy like that.  Gene Upsha/Darrell Green went to Texas A&I. 

    We could probably get a damned good team just taking guys that came from the TBCs (Traditional Black Colleges)  Doug Williams at QB,  Walter Payton,  maybe Jerry Rice (not sure if his school was a TBCs)  John Stallworth....a few just off the top of my head.  

    There was a really good documentary about this subject running on Showtime for a while, about how Bear Bryant probably scheduled USC around 1970 with the idea that the Trojans, an integrated team, would beat the shit out of Alabama... with the hopes that their fans would realize that the Crimson Tide needed black players to compete, and would allow their university to enter the 20th century. 

  • One of the issues from back in the day for both the SEC and the SWC.....was:  segregation.    Some of the greatest players that came out of the south didn't play at the "big schools"   because they were black.

    Places like Grambling got some of the players that would eventually become great pros.    Joe Greene had to go to North Texas St.  (don't you think that either Texas/TAMU/OK  could have used a guy like that.  Gene Upsha/Darrell Green went to Texas A&I. 

    We could probably get a damned good team just taking guys that came from the TBCs (Traditional Black Colleges)  Doug Williams at QB,  Walter Payton,  maybe Jerry Rice (not sure if his school was a TBCs)  John Stallworth....a few just off the top of my head.  

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
    #38

    @the-gipper said:

    One of the issues from back in the day for both the SEC and the SWC.....was:  segregation.    Some of the greatest players that came out of the south didn't play at the "big schools"   because they were black.

    Places like Grambling got some of the players that would eventually become great pros.    Joe Greene had to go to North Texas St.  (don't you think that either Texas/TAMU/OK  could have used a guy like that.  Gene Upsha/Darrell Green went to Texas A&I. 

    We could probably get a damned good team just taking guys that came from the TBCs (Traditional Black Colleges)  Doug Williams at QB,  Walter Payton,  maybe Jerry Rice (not sure if his school was a TBCs)  John Stallworth....a few just off the top of my head.  

    Dick "Night Train" Lane was one of the truly great defensive players who was born & raised in Austin, but only attended a Junior College. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Train_Lane

    I had the displeasure of watching the first great black player for Hayden Fry, Jerry LeVias,  dismantle our defense and pull out a game in the list minute in 1967. 

    Those two were the primary reason SMU had won the SWC Championship the year before.

    I have always revered Fry for being a groundbreaker.

  • @the-gipper said:

    One of the issues from back in the day for both the SEC and the SWC.....was:  segregation.    Some of the greatest players that came out of the south didn't play at the "big schools"   because they were black.

    Places like Grambling got some of the players that would eventually become great pros.    Joe Greene had to go to North Texas St.  (don't you think that either Texas/TAMU/OK  could have used a guy like that.  Gene Upsha/Darrell Green went to Texas A&I. 

    We could probably get a damned good team just taking guys that came from the TBCs (Traditional Black Colleges)  Doug Williams at QB,  Walter Payton,  maybe Jerry Rice (not sure if his school was a TBCs)  John Stallworth....a few just off the top of my head.  

    Dick "Night Train" Lane was one of the truly great defensive players who was born & raised in Austin, but only attended a Junior College. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Train_Lane

    I had the displeasure of watching the first great black player for Hayden Fry, Jerry LeVias,  dismantle our defense and pull out a game in the list minute in 1967. 

    Those two were the primary reason SMU had won the SWC Championship the year before.

    I have always revered Fry for being a groundbreaker.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #39

    @texasag1969 said:

    Dick "Night Train" Lane was one of the truly great defensive players who was born & raised in Austin, but only attended a Junior College. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Train_Lane

    I had the displeasure of watching the first great black player for Hayden Fry, Jerry LeVias,  dismantle our defense and pull out a game in the list minute in 1967. 

    Those two were the primary reason SMU had won the SWC Championship the year before.

    I have always revered Fry for being a groundbreaker.

    I see that Lane served 4 years in the military  (Koreas)  which was the reason he never "graduated" from  his JC to a 4 year school. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Dick "Night Train" Lane was one of the truly great defensive players who was born & raised in Austin, but only attended a Junior College. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Train_Lane

    I had the displeasure of watching the first great black player for Hayden Fry, Jerry LeVias,  dismantle our defense and pull out a game in the list minute in 1967. 

    Those two were the primary reason SMU had won the SWC Championship the year before.

    I have always revered Fry for being a groundbreaker.

    I see that Lane served 4 years in the military  (Koreas)  which was the reason he never "graduated" from  his JC to a 4 year school. 

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
    #40

    @the-gipper said:

    I see that Lane served 4 years in the military  (Koreas)  which was the reason he never "graduated" from  his JC to a 4 year school. 

    Oh yeah and Jerry Ball was another of Fry's great black players for SMU. A really special squatty body player like Alex Karras. Two of the greatest against the run ever IMO.

  • Here is the defense:

    Defensive  Ends:

    Big Ten:  Carl Eller,  Univ. of Minnesota

    Pac-12:  Terrelll Suggs   Arizona St.

    SEC:  Reggie White  Tennessee

    ACC:  Bruce Smith   Va. Tech

    Big 12:  LeRoy Selmon, Oklahoma

    Defensive Tackles:

    Big Ten: Randy White,  Maryland

    Pac 12:  Curly Culp  AZ St.

    SEC:  Dan Hampton  Arkansas

    ACC:  Warren Sapp  Miami Fla

    Big 12:   Bob Lilley  TCU

    Outside Linebacker

    Big Ten:  Trying to choose between  Andre Tippett (Iowa), Bobby Bell (Minn.) and Jack Ham  (Penn St.

    Pac 12:  Clay Matthews II   (our Clay Matthews) USC

    SEC:  Derrick Thomas  Alabama

    ACC:  Lawrence Taylor  NC

    Big 12:  Zack Thomas Texas Tech

    Middle Linebacker:

    Big Ten:  Dick Butkus Illinois  (over fellow Ill. grad Ray Nitschke)

    Pac 12: Junior Seau   USC

    SEC:  Larry Grantham  (Ole Miss)......the SEC really has NOT produced great MLBs...I had to dig hard to find him.

    ACC:  Ray Lewis  Miami Fla

    Big 12:  Mike Singletary Baylor

    Cornerback:

    Big 10:  Rod Woodson Purdue   (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.

    Pac 12:  Mike Haynes  AZ  St.

    SEC:  Champ BAiley  Georgia

    ACC:  Deion Sanders  FSU

    Big 12:  Aqib Talib  Kansas

    Safety:

    Big Ten:   Paul Krause  Iowa

    Pac 12:  Ronnie Lott  USC

    SEC:  Yale Lary  Tex A&M

    ACC:  Ed Reed  Miami

    Big 12:  Bobby Dillon  Texas

    Again, if you think I missed someone (highly possible)  or if you think there could be someone better...let us know. 

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
    #41

    @the-gipper said:

    Cornerback:

    Big 10:  Rod Woodson Purdue   (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.

    Pac 12:  Mike Haynes  AZ  St.

    SEC:  Champ BAiley  Georgia

    ACC:  Deion Sanders  FSU

    Big 12:  Aqib Talib  Kansas

    not here to high jack a tread.. but, most browns fans should remember playing this hard-nose Corner twice a season.. https://nfl.com/news/former-bengals-cb-ken-riley-who-had-65-ints-dies-at-72    RIP Kenny Riley ?... a 6th round pick that played his college football at QB... until Riley met up with former Browns coach Paul Brown...

  • @the-gipper said:

    Cornerback:

    Big 10:  Rod Woodson Purdue   (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.

    Pac 12:  Mike Haynes  AZ  St.

    SEC:  Champ BAiley  Georgia

    ACC:  Deion Sanders  FSU

    Big 12:  Aqib Talib  Kansas

    not here to high jack a tread.. but, most browns fans should remember playing this hard-nose Corner twice a season.. https://nfl.com/news/former-bengals-cb-ken-riley-who-had-65-ints-dies-at-72    RIP Kenny Riley ?... a 6th round pick that played his college football at QB... until Riley met up with former Browns coach Paul Brown...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #42

    @gumby73 said:

    not here to high jack a tread.. but, most browns fans should remember playing this hard-nose Corner twice a season.. https://nfl.com/news/former-bengals-cb-ken-riley-who-had-65-ints-dies-at-72    RIP Kenny Riley ?... a 6th round pick that played his college football at QB... until Riley met up with former Browns coach Paul Brown...

    Are you saying you would put him on your  "Traditional Black College"  All Time Team ?    Floriday A&M product. 

  • @gumby73 said:

    not here to high jack a tread.. but, most browns fans should remember playing this hard-nose Corner twice a season.. https://nfl.com/news/former-bengals-cb-ken-riley-who-had-65-ints-dies-at-72    RIP Kenny Riley ?... a 6th round pick that played his college football at QB... until Riley met up with former Browns coach Paul Brown...

    Are you saying you would put him on your  "Traditional Black College"  All Time Team ?    Floriday A&M product. 

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
    #43

    @the-gipper said:

    Are you saying you would put him on your  "Traditional Black College"  All Time Team ?    Floriday A&M product. 

    I could give 2 man tits if Mr.Riley was orange😉.. said nothing of the sort but, A small school classic corner is more like it...

    Until Tom Brady goes in..?   1951 Jack Chrstiansen DB Detroit Lions... is the only 6th round pick in the HOF..period!

    per link.."Ken Riley is the only player ranking among the nfl top 5 in career* interceptions not* in the HOF with 65 picks"

    Revis should get in? but the closest DB steals from small school venues, i could maybe see getting in also? Sea.-11th rd pick Dwayne Harper///5th rd. pick Rodney Harrison(is he not a candidate for hof or in?) ///and Mia. 7th rd. pick Jake Scott

  • Here is the defense:

    Defensive  Ends:

    Big Ten:  Carl Eller,  Univ. of Minnesota

    Pac-12:  Terrelll Suggs   Arizona St.

    SEC:  Reggie White  Tennessee

    ACC:  Bruce Smith   Va. Tech

    Big 12:  LeRoy Selmon, Oklahoma

    Defensive Tackles:

    Big Ten: Randy White,  Maryland

    Pac 12:  Curly Culp  AZ St.

    SEC:  Dan Hampton  Arkansas

    ACC:  Warren Sapp  Miami Fla

    Big 12:   Bob Lilley  TCU

    Outside Linebacker

    Big Ten:  Trying to choose between  Andre Tippett (Iowa), Bobby Bell (Minn.) and Jack Ham  (Penn St.

    Pac 12:  Clay Matthews II   (our Clay Matthews) USC

    SEC:  Derrick Thomas  Alabama

    ACC:  Lawrence Taylor  NC

    Big 12:  Zack Thomas Texas Tech

    Middle Linebacker:

    Big Ten:  Dick Butkus Illinois  (over fellow Ill. grad Ray Nitschke)

    Pac 12: Junior Seau   USC

    SEC:  Larry Grantham  (Ole Miss)......the SEC really has NOT produced great MLBs...I had to dig hard to find him.

    ACC:  Ray Lewis  Miami Fla

    Big 12:  Mike Singletary Baylor

    Cornerback:

    Big 10:  Rod Woodson Purdue   (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.

    Pac 12:  Mike Haynes  AZ  St.

    SEC:  Champ BAiley  Georgia

    ACC:  Deion Sanders  FSU

    Big 12:  Aqib Talib  Kansas

    Safety:

    Big Ten:   Paul Krause  Iowa

    Pac 12:  Ronnie Lott  USC

    SEC:  Yale Lary  Tex A&M

    ACC:  Ed Reed  Miami

    Big 12:  Bobby Dillon  Texas

    Again, if you think I missed someone (highly possible)  or if you think there could be someone better...let us know. 

    bjh2130B bjh2130 wrote on last edited by
    #44

    @the-gipper said:

    Big 10:  Rod Woodson Purdue   (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.

    Charles Woodson should at least be listed here if not the pick

  • @the-gipper said:

    Big 10:  Rod Woodson Purdue   (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.

    Charles Woodson should at least be listed here if not the pick

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #45

    @bjh2130 said:

    Charles Woodson should at least be listed here if not the pick

    Not a bad choice.  I think I would take Rod over Charles when it comes to the Woodson's....but yes, very close.