Browns players taking a knee
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I applauded you for your work and mean no disrespect. Hell I believe you but there's WAYYY too many bad apples at this point, even if it's 4 percent of officers that are bad that's too much. Cops are essential to society the same way as an engine on a plane is. Think... would you be ok with an engine failure 4 percent of the time while going on a trip to Vegas? These guys should be held to highest of standards because they meant to protect all people end of story. This could have easily avoided if this was handled internally by police doing the work themselves think eg. MLB. But maybe being a "nark" had too many downsides I guess. Would really like to hear your input if you had anymore thoughts. Dark times indeed my friend. Stay safe.
I would agree and disagree. Depends on what your definition of bad is. Are 4% of cops douchebags? In my experience... no. More like 10-20%. Would 4% of cops do something as sick and twisted as Chauvin did? I don’t believe it would be even .00004%.
I ask the same question most others do, how do you weed those people out? Unfortunately, I don’t know.
I ask the same question most others do, how do you weed those people out? Unfortunately, I don’t know.
The answer that Minneapolis seems to have decided on is to teardown the whole system and to rebuild it from the ground up while diverting funding to social programs aimed at taking responsibility off of the police (like mental health programs)
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Please, please, please can we skip the "they're disrespecting the flag" bullshit?
If we're going to have people here posting negative, hateful comments against Browns players for peacefully protesting you might as well save us the trouble and leave now.
Based on Goodell admitting the NFL was wrong on this issue in the past, I think they'll have the balls to go against Trump. As a result, plus with everything else going on, you're going to see players taking a knee. I reference Jarvis and OBJ as they were just in the players' video on the issue.
Drew Brees admitted his mistake and understands it now. I'm hoping more posters on here do as well.
Otherwise we're in for another long season of some awful and embarrassing takes on here.
Please, please, please can we skip the "they're disrespecting the flag" bullshit?
The assertion Kaep's action has anything to do with the flag is the very definition of a "red herring" argument -- a pure distraction because the person advancing that assertion doesn't want to [can't] confront the accuracy of Kaep's stance on the issue of policing.
Kaep's stance is further proven 110% correct.. because he got blackballed for it. People don't get blackballed for being incorrect.
Nike was 110% correct to make Kaep their spokesman.. because the under-40 are the ones who buy shoes.
how do you weed those people out?
Campaign Zero has a good starting list of policies. The point is that the public is past nonspecific never-verified promises of "reform" on some future date which never arrives.
Express all you like.... just know that there can be consequences
A right-winger sees a thread going in a way he doesn't like and starts by threatening violence? Today must end with a Y.
Win those hearts and minds!
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
It's unfortunate that nickers missed his calling.
He would have made a great German in the 1930s and early 40s.
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My question is what is the average IQ of a police officer. this is no offense to you if your a policeman....I love “good” cops. but I do wonder sometimes if the training for cops just isn’t adequate enough.
In just about every larger city department, you take a civil service test. Typically, the test is similar to a SAT or ACT test....not ultra tough but not easy. Usually about 200 questions.
You need 70% to pass, and those that do are ranked in orde (with all passing candidates). Then there's the physical agility test.
If you're being considered for a position then you have polygraph tests, background checks, etc. Then you need to pass the academy & department probation.
In just about every larger city department, you take a civil service test. Typically, the test is similar to a SAT or ACT test....not ultra tough but not easy. Usually about 200 questions.
You need 70% to pass, and those that do are ranked in orde (with all passing candidates). Then there's the physical agility test.
If you're being considered for a position then you have polygraph tests, background checks, etc. Then you need to pass the academy & department probation.
They should also take watered down law school type courses (Criminal Procedure, Evidence) there are charges thrown out everyday and evidence suppressed over simple mistakes
i have family in law enforcement. There are all bright. One even has a Masters Degree. They take there work seriously and they are extremely fair people in their day to day life.
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In just about every larger city department, you take a civil service test. Typically, the test is similar to a SAT or ACT test....not ultra tough but not easy. Usually about 200 questions.
You need 70% to pass, and those that do are ranked in orde (with all passing candidates). Then there's the physical agility test.
If you're being considered for a position then you have polygraph tests, background checks, etc. Then you need to pass the academy & department probation.
They should also take watered down law school type courses (Criminal Procedure, Evidence) there are charges thrown out everyday and evidence suppressed over simple mistakes
i have family in law enforcement. There are all bright. One even has a Masters Degree. They take there work seriously and they are extremely fair people in their day to day life.
They should also take watered down law school type courses (Criminal Procedure, Evidence) there are charges thrown out everyday and evidence suppressed over simple mistakes
i have family in law enforcement. There are all bright. One even has a Masters Degree. They take there work seriously and they are extremely fair people in their day to day life.
I think most do to some degree, but that would be post hire.
The DA isn't happy with the police when they botch something they can't enter in to evidence. Nobody wants to let bad guys walk, but sometimes that happens. Mistakes can be made. No DA is going to press forward without evidence or knows the judge is going to have no choice but to throw it out for one reason or another.
That is the beauty our system. The defendant doesn't have to prove anything. Innocent until proven guilty. The burden is on the state.
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Please, please, please can we skip the "they're disrespecting the flag" bullshit?
If we're going to have people here posting negative, hateful comments against Browns players for peacefully protesting you might as well save us the trouble and leave now.
Based on Goodell admitting the NFL was wrong on this issue in the past, I think they'll have the balls to go against Trump. As a result, plus with everything else going on, you're going to see players taking a knee. I reference Jarvis and OBJ as they were just in the players' video on the issue.
Drew Brees admitted his mistake and understands it now. I'm hoping more posters on here do as well.
Otherwise we're in for another long season of some awful and embarrassing takes on here.
Please, please, please can we skip the "they're disrespecting the flag" bullshit?
If we're going to have people here posting negative, hateful comments against Browns players for peacefully protesting you might as well save us the trouble and leave now.
Based on Goodell admitting the NFL was wrong on this issue in the past, I think they'll have the balls to go against Trump. As a result, plus with everything else going on, you're going to see players taking a knee. I reference Jarvis and OBJ as they were just in the players' video on the issue.
Drew Brees admitted his mistake and understands it now. I'm hoping more posters on here do as well.
Otherwise we're in for another long season of some awful and embarrassing takes on here.
My opinion is I don't like it, I just want to watch the game. I don't want anybodys agenda during a game. I am all for people peacefully protesting about anything they want and driving policy changes. Its your God given right. I am not for this mob mentality that is coercing people to think a certain way. The NFL changed its position because the mob forced them too. My feeling is NFL players can be a force for change, they have a big microphone to do so and can work in their communities and advocate for change and put money behind these ideas. Kneeling at a ball game never has and never will cause change. I like what someone said earlier, just keep the players in the locker room or tunnel during the anthem and then let them come out and play ball.
I think we all agree that everyone should received equal treatment and justice under the law. And we should work to make change anywhere we need to, to ensure that happens. But that doesn't mean I am going to support this war on the police, or the violence, outing of everyone who may have said something 10 years ago that you don't like. Lets make it so that those in power are held accountable and are good stewards of that power and that we all just love and respect each other and on game day lets just play ball.
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Please, please, please can we skip the "they're disrespecting the flag" bullshit?
If we're going to have people here posting negative, hateful comments against Browns players for peacefully protesting you might as well save us the trouble and leave now.
Based on Goodell admitting the NFL was wrong on this issue in the past, I think they'll have the balls to go against Trump. As a result, plus with everything else going on, you're going to see players taking a knee. I reference Jarvis and OBJ as they were just in the players' video on the issue.
Drew Brees admitted his mistake and understands it now. I'm hoping more posters on here do as well.
Otherwise we're in for another long season of some awful and embarrassing takes on here.
My opinion is I don't like it, I just want to watch the game. I don't want anybodys agenda during a game. I am all for people peacefully protesting about anything they want and driving policy changes. Its your God given right. I am not for this mob mentality that is coercing people to think a certain way. The NFL changed its position because the mob forced them too. My feeling is NFL players can be a force for change, they have a big microphone to do so and can work in their communities and advocate for change and put money behind these ideas. Kneeling at a ball game never has and never will cause change. I like what someone said earlier, just keep the players in the locker room or tunnel during the anthem and then let them come out and play ball.
I think we all agree that everyone should received equal treatment and justice under the law. And we should work to make change anywhere we need to, to ensure that happens. But that doesn't mean I am going to support this war on the police, or the violence, outing of everyone who may have said something 10 years ago that you don't like. Lets make it so that those in power are held accountable and are good stewards of that power and that we all just love and respect each other and on game day lets just play ball.
and on game day lets just play ball.
I'll rephrase your stupidity:
Standing during the national anthem is simply patriotism, which isn’t political, while kneeling is unpatriotic, which is political.
To be clear: It's all politics, baby boy. Your lack of comfort with the objective reality of the players' lives is your problem, not theirs - and it's not your place to initiate the Calvinball of "What Is The Right Protest."
[For those who don't remember calvin and hobbes, calvinball is the deliberately absurd game that was made up as it was being played, always to benefit the person making the rules]
If you don't like it, don't watch. You won't be missed.
Might want to read the most recent transcript - Stefanski refused to rule out the entire Browns staff and team kneeling as one. If they do, will you start following curling? If not, your protest is noted and ignored.. you know, in the same way you ignored Kaepernick! This is fun!
Gosh, it's almost like Kaepernick had a finger on the pulse of something!
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
and on game day lets just play ball.
I'll rephrase your stupidity:
Standing during the national anthem is simply patriotism, which isn’t political, while kneeling is unpatriotic, which is political.
To be clear: It's all politics, baby boy. Your lack of comfort with the objective reality of the players' lives is your problem, not theirs - and it's not your place to initiate the Calvinball of "What Is The Right Protest."
[For those who don't remember calvin and hobbes, calvinball is the deliberately absurd game that was made up as it was being played, always to benefit the person making the rules]
If you don't like it, don't watch. You won't be missed.
Might want to read the most recent transcript - Stefanski refused to rule out the entire Browns staff and team kneeling as one. If they do, will you start following curling? If not, your protest is noted and ignored.. you know, in the same way you ignored Kaepernick! This is fun!
Gosh, it's almost like Kaepernick had a finger on the pulse of something!
I'll rephrase your stupidity:
Standing during the national anthem is simply patriotism, which isn’t political, while kneeling is unpatriotic, which is political.
If you don't like it, don't watch. You won't be missed. Your lack of comfort with the objective reality of the players' lives is your problem, not theirs.
I don't get the hostility. He just had his own opinion. That isn't allowed? Offending people because kneelers have a legit grip about racism - alienates the folks they want to get the message out to. Which tells me, that the ulterior motive is getting attention for getting attention's sake. Media hype and fame. Not the cause. And it doesn't solve anything - it's counter-productive. Just how I see it. I agree with the sentiment, not the taking away from the reason fans go to the games - to see the GAME.
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I'll rephrase your stupidity:
Standing during the national anthem is simply patriotism, which isn’t political, while kneeling is unpatriotic, which is political.
If you don't like it, don't watch. You won't be missed. Your lack of comfort with the objective reality of the players' lives is your problem, not theirs.
I don't get the hostility. He just had his own opinion. That isn't allowed? Offending people because kneelers have a legit grip about racism - alienates the folks they want to get the message out to. Which tells me, that the ulterior motive is getting attention for getting attention's sake. Media hype and fame. Not the cause. And it doesn't solve anything - it's counter-productive. Just how I see it. I agree with the sentiment, not the taking away from the reason fans go to the games - to see the GAME.
alienates the folks they want to get the message out to
Red herring argument.
Nobody ever doubted for a second that anyone who would be alienated had already deliberately decided they were against it.
And you can't understand people who are actually inquisitive --- because YOU aren't, you assume nobody else is.
Nascar just banned the Confederate flag.. how much would you like to bet that the people alienated by Kaepernick are the same ones alienated by Nascar?
Z - Feel free to move this whenever, of course!
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I applauded you for your work and mean no disrespect. Hell I believe you but there's WAYYY too many bad apples at this point, even if it's 4 percent of officers that are bad that's too much. Cops are essential to society the same way as an engine on a plane is. Think... would you be ok with an engine failure 4 percent of the time while going on a trip to Vegas? These guys should be held to highest of standards because they meant to protect all people end of story. This could have easily avoided if this was handled internally by police doing the work themselves think eg. MLB. But maybe being a "nark" had too many downsides I guess. Would really like to hear your input if you had anymore thoughts. Dark times indeed my friend. Stay safe.
I would agree and disagree. Depends on what your definition of bad is. Are 4% of cops douchebags? In my experience... no. More like 10-20%. Would 4% of cops do something as sick and twisted as Chauvin did? I don’t believe it would be even .00004%.
I ask the same question most others do, how do you weed those people out? Unfortunately, I don’t know.
I would agree and disagree. Depends on what your definition of bad is. Are 4% of cops douchebags? In my experience... no. More like 10-20%. Would 4% of cops do something as sick and twisted as Chauvin did? I don’t believe it would be even .00004%.
I ask the same question most others do, how do you weed those people out? Unfortunately, I don’t know.
The easy answer would be you guy police yourselves and while you seem to earnest, others have turn a blind eye, hence the predicament the nation is in. Regardless thank you for service.
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Please, please, please can we skip the "they're disrespecting the flag" bullshit?
If we're going to have people here posting negative, hateful comments against Browns players for peacefully protesting you might as well save us the trouble and leave now.
Based on Goodell admitting the NFL was wrong on this issue in the past, I think they'll have the balls to go against Trump. As a result, plus with everything else going on, you're going to see players taking a knee. I reference Jarvis and OBJ as they were just in the players' video on the issue.
Drew Brees admitted his mistake and understands it now. I'm hoping more posters on here do as well.
Otherwise we're in for another long season of some awful and embarrassing takes on here.
I’ll bite ...See I am not going to fall prey to the pick a side mob mentality happening now in our country.
Am I happy with the direction of this country? (social aspects no- financially we are stronger than ever). We can be much better. We still have oppressed coming here from all over the world- I see it daily in San Diego. This is a great place by no means is it a perfect place.
I’m disgusted by The actions of a former officer and inactions of the other former officers in MN. I know they aren’t all bad there are certainly bad eggs that target groups and races. But a “solution” to disband the police is ludicrous.
I unfortunately and sadly see that people are treated differently in this Country.
I hate seeing people looting small businesses and other establishments but I think it’s great that peaceful protest is happening with both young and old. It’s uniting generations.But let me also say I am damn grateful for the sacrifice soldiers and officers have made to protect us. I’m grateful for their service and out of respect for what they’ve done the flag as a symbol not just of our nation but of the sacrifice of soldiers and officers I stop what I’m doing during the song and presentation of flag and my focus is on that. I don’t agree with kneeling but that’s a choice you have just as people have a choice not to agree with you.
I’m still going to buy NFL products watch games and hopefully go to games soon.
I’ll bite ...See I am not going to fall prey to the pick a side mob mentality happening now in our country.
Am I happy with the direction of this country? (social aspects no- financially we are stronger than ever). We can be much better. We still have oppressed coming here from all over the world- I see it daily in San Diego. This is a great place by no means is it a perfect place.
I’m disgusted by The actions of a former officer and inactions of the other former officers in MN. I know they aren’t all bad there are certainly bad eggs that target groups and races. But a “solution” to disband the police is ludicrous.
I unfortunately and sadly see that people are treated differently in this Country.
I hate seeing people looting small businesses and other establishments but I think it’s great that peaceful protest is happening with both young and old. It’s uniting generations.But let me also say I am damn grateful for the sacrifice soldiers and officers have made to protect us. I’m grateful for their service and out of respect for what they’ve done the flag as a symbol not just of our nation but of the sacrifice of soldiers and officers I stop what I’m doing during the song and presentation of flag and my focus is on that. I don’t agree with kneeling but that’s a choice you have just as people have a choice not to agree with you.
I’m still going to buy NFL products watch games and hopefully go to games soon.
The only thing the events of the last week did was to prove we need cops.
The only one's being targeted are cops themselves. How many killed and wounded just this last week?
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and on game day lets just play ball.
I'll rephrase your stupidity:
Standing during the national anthem is simply patriotism, which isn’t political, while kneeling is unpatriotic, which is political.
To be clear: It's all politics, baby boy. Your lack of comfort with the objective reality of the players' lives is your problem, not theirs - and it's not your place to initiate the Calvinball of "What Is The Right Protest."
[For those who don't remember calvin and hobbes, calvinball is the deliberately absurd game that was made up as it was being played, always to benefit the person making the rules]
If you don't like it, don't watch. You won't be missed.
Might want to read the most recent transcript - Stefanski refused to rule out the entire Browns staff and team kneeling as one. If they do, will you start following curling? If not, your protest is noted and ignored.. you know, in the same way you ignored Kaepernick! This is fun!
Gosh, it's almost like Kaepernick had a finger on the pulse of something!
I'll rephrase your stupidity:
Standing during the national anthem is simply patriotism, which isn’t political, while kneeling is unpatriotic, which is political.
To be clear: It's all politics, baby boy. Your lack of comfort with the objective reality of the players' lives is your problem, not theirs - and it's not your place to initiate the Calvinball of "What Is The Right Protest."
[For those who don't remember calvin and hobbes, calvinball is the deliberately absurd game that was made up as it was being played, always to benefit the person making the rules]
If you don't like it, don't watch. You won't be missed.
Might want to read the most recent transcript - Stefanski refused to rule out the entire Browns staff and team kneeling as one. If they do, will you start following curling? If not, your protest is noted and ignored.. you know, in the same way you ignored Kaepernick! This is fun!
Gosh, it's almost like Kaepernick had a finger on the pulse of something!
What the fuck is the matter with you?
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It's unfortunate that nickers missed his calling.
He would have made a great German in the 1930s and early 40s.
It's unfortunate that nickers missed his calling.
He would have made a great German in the 1930s and early 40s.
You know that dimwit would have been a traitor and fought for the confederacy just for the slavery aspect.
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Please, please, please can we skip the "they're disrespecting the flag" bullshit?
If we're going to have people here posting negative, hateful comments against Browns players for peacefully protesting you might as well save us the trouble and leave now.
Based on Goodell admitting the NFL was wrong on this issue in the past, I think they'll have the balls to go against Trump. As a result, plus with everything else going on, you're going to see players taking a knee. I reference Jarvis and OBJ as they were just in the players' video on the issue.
Drew Brees admitted his mistake and understands it now. I'm hoping more posters on here do as well.
Otherwise we're in for another long season of some awful and embarrassing takes on here.
Please, please, please can we skip the "they're disrespecting the flag" bullshit?
If we're going to have people here posting negative, hateful comments against Browns players for peacefully protesting you might as well save us the trouble and leave now.
Based on Goodell admitting the NFL was wrong on this issue in the past, I think they'll have the balls to go against Trump. As a result, plus with everything else going on, you're going to see players taking a knee. I reference Jarvis and OBJ as they were just in the players' video on the issue.
Drew Brees admitted his mistake and understands it now. I'm hoping more posters on here do as well.
Otherwise we're in for another long season of some awful and embarrassing takes on here.
Then why did you start it?
These kneeling players are nothing but "look at me" attention whores. Otherwise those that choose to would remain in the locker room during the Anthem and have their little protest out of sight. I would have no problem with that. Protest your bleeding hearts out. Nothing is accomplished by kneeling other than the feeling of pompous self importance. You don't have to be a shrink to see this.
You think Brees apologized? Get a clue. He's a sports hero adored by many and had no choice. He had to rescue his reputation and good standings.
Let's see.. he apologized to the entire black community....so does he think all blacks think the same? I could name 10 blacks just off the top of my head that would oppose kneeling.
He apologized to the of city of New Orleans. Really? Everyone in New Orleans was offended? He apologized the to the NFL, and to his teammates...ditto ditto. What a grandstanding pussy.
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Here's my take. Sadly, it's the police that set the tone of racism in this country. Yes, citizens do terrible racist things...but the police are the ones that set the example. And too many of them are bullies and power mongers, who think that they don't have to follow the laws. This type of activity has been going on all the way back to Wyatt Earp.....but now, we've all got video cameras in our pockets...
Police chiefs can come out and say all the right things, but it's all blah, blah, blah......because there's too many peckerheaded policemen. The police are no different than any other organization though, there's assholes in every profession...all the way up to and including priesthood and boy scout masters. There's just a higher concentration in the police because that's where the bullies in life would gravitate towards. That and the underworld.
Growing up, I instructed my son that the police are not your friends. They are a necessary evil. ( BTW, my little cousin is a policeman. He's a heck of a great guy! Made it to Sargent! I love him to death! )
Here's my take. Sadly, it's the police that set the tone of racism in this country. Yes, citizens do terrible racist things...but the police are the ones that set the example. And too many of them are bullies and power mongers, who think that they don't have to follow the laws. This type of activity has been going on all the way back to Wyatt Earp.....but now, we've all got video cameras in our pockets...
Police chiefs can come out and say all the right things, but it's all blah, blah, blah......because there's too many peckerheaded policemen. The police are no different than any other organization though, there's assholes in every profession...all the way up to and including priesthood and boy scout masters. There's just a higher concentration in the police because that's where the bullies in life would gravitate towards. That and the underworld.
Growing up, I instructed my son that the police are not your friends. They are a necessary evil. ( BTW, my little cousin is a policeman. He's a heck of a great guy! Made it to Sargent! I love him to death! )
Your take was one big pile of rubbish.
Do you wear your Black Lives Matter shirt in front of your cousin cop by any chance? Your cousin cop exemplifies more the typical policeman, not what you paint them out to be.
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Time to move it to the poliboard.
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Aaaaaaand now it's locked / move
Well it was fun. I appreciate the level headed responses we got while it lasted.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
That there is systemic racism/oppression is fake. A lie. You people believe it because the riots proved it?
Those motherfucks couldn't give a rats ass about George Floyd as they made off with their TV sets. George who? Those people took the opportunity to do what they always wanted to. They were having fun.
BLM is fake. Tell me who is the constituency that believes black lives don't matter? Gee, the only one I cant think of is, well, BLM. Don't ever recall reading about them protesting in Chicago over blacks who continue to be murdered by other blacks. Not interested in that shit. The only time a black life matters is when it is taken by a white cop, and take into consideration the fact that unjustified killings of blacks by cops are extremely rare.
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Aaaaaaand now it's locked / move
Well it was fun. I appreciate the level headed responses we got while it lasted.
Aaaaaaand now it's locked / move
Well it was fun. I appreciate the level headed responses we got while it lasted.
Level headed only because they agree with you. This place is smothered with intellect.
Let this be a lesson that trying to make this forum your safe space isn't gonna work.
The one person who was level headed was Runyun who was chastised.
try this for 3 minutes...
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