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  • My thoughts 

    - A lot of "facts" (maybe? No citations) listed at the beginning that, without further detail, could be explained reasonably in many ways

    - Appreciate that this guy has spent his career pushing environmental issues, buy he isn't exactly a climatologist

    - The further you read it turns into what sounds like an advertisement for his new book. 

    - I don't disagree that media and politicians try to hype up scientific issues, in either direction, to try and gain traction (or views / clicks). "We're .5 degrees warmer and that could cause issues in a few decades when sea levels rise 1 foot" doesn't get as many views as "Drowned Cities? Climate Change is a Threat to Humanity!" That ties into issues with the media and the poor scientific literacy and attention span of our country. A lot of times if you follow the rabbit hole of sources back to the actual study their conclusion doesn't sound anything like the news report on it. If I assume the best attentions I think that talk is to get people to take notice and do something before we really fuck things up. Instead of us being frogs on a pot of water that gets slowly and slowly hotter. 

    I think the alarmist beef is more against the media than actual scientists. But, like I said, I don't trust the American public to understand the most basic shit, so there's no way I'd expect them to react to climate change appropriately. Hell, we have posters on this board that would tell you evolution is "just a theory"....

  • My thoughts 

    - A lot of "facts" (maybe? No citations) listed at the beginning that, without further detail, could be explained reasonably in many ways

    - Appreciate that this guy has spent his career pushing environmental issues, buy he isn't exactly a climatologist

    - The further you read it turns into what sounds like an advertisement for his new book. 

    - I don't disagree that media and politicians try to hype up scientific issues, in either direction, to try and gain traction (or views / clicks). "We're .5 degrees warmer and that could cause issues in a few decades when sea levels rise 1 foot" doesn't get as many views as "Drowned Cities? Climate Change is a Threat to Humanity!" That ties into issues with the media and the poor scientific literacy and attention span of our country. A lot of times if you follow the rabbit hole of sources back to the actual study their conclusion doesn't sound anything like the news report on it. If I assume the best attentions I think that talk is to get people to take notice and do something before we really fuck things up. Instead of us being frogs on a pot of water that gets slowly and slowly hotter. 

    I think the alarmist beef is more against the media than actual scientists. But, like I said, I don't trust the American public to understand the most basic shit, so there's no way I'd expect them to react to climate change appropriately. Hell, we have posters on this board that would tell you evolution is "just a theory"....

    @mld-woody said:

    My thoughts 

    - A lot of "facts" (maybe? No citations) listed at the beginning that, without further detail, could be explained reasonably in many ways

    True.  I assume it's in the book.  I ordered it so I'll let you know.

    - Appreciate that this guy has spent his career pushing environmental issues, buy he isn't exactly a climatologist

    True again, but most people the public takes their cues from aren't either.  What he is an expert in is how the politics inside the organizations (IPCC etc.) affect the message that we get from them.  That's what he is actually apologizing about.  That's why I'm buying the book.  I've been beating the misrepresentation drum for quite a long time, not the data is bad drum.  The data and the conclusions (or shall I say predictions) never looked right together.  

    - The further you read it turns into what sounds like an advertisement for his new book. 

    Agreed.  You should buy it.  Not everything that makes a profit is bad.

    - I don't disagree that media and politicians try to hype up scientific issues, in either direction, to try and gain traction (or views / clicks). "We're .5 degrees warmer and that could cause issues in a few decades when sea levels rise 1 foot" doesn't get as many views as "Drowned Cities? Climate Change is a Threat to Humanity!" That ties into issues with the media and the poor scientific literacy and attention span of our country. A lot of times if you follow the rabbit hole of sources back to the actual study their conclusion doesn't sound anything like the news report on it. If I assume the best attentions I think that talk is to get people to take notice and do something before we really fuck things up. Instead of us being frogs on a pot of water that gets slowly and slowly hotter. 

    No matter what happens, we will not be the frog in the pot.

    I think the alarmist beef is more against the media than actual scientists. But, like I said, I don't trust the American public to understand the most basic shit, so there's no way I'd expect them to react to climate change appropriately. Hell, we have posters on this board that would tell you evolution is "just a theory"....

  • @htownbrown said:

    http://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2020/6/29/on-behalf-of-environmentalists-i-apologize-for-the-climate-scare

    There is certainly more to admit to, but this is a good start.

    No denying climate change is a big political football. Man made or not, it is happening....  https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-a-warming-planet/a-disastrous-summer-in-the-arctic?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_062720&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&bxid=5e1bf8d87ace5a52f720e376&cndid=59654696&hasha=b36ea6a8d5e239d5b132d029be4fc26c&hashb=a14e6f2b1e41e20f91554c13249495ccae8678a6&hashc=256d292cdc0a353f41388fc27a45e4842a22f42f2bef768ba01d532c56d1bec6&esrc=bounceX&utm_term=TNY_Daily

    Nuclear? Please- it's totally clean until it isn't.... Three Mile, Chernoybl, Fukushima... With a hot 1\2 life, um- if they had nuclear reactors in Egypt when the pyramids were built- that stuff would finally have cooled down to an almost safe level....  Count me skeptical we're going to be able to contain our nuclear waste for that long. Of course we won't be around to deal with it a few thousand years from now.... 

  • The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

    Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

    Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

    Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm
    .

    Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

    Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

    Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

    I must apologize.

    I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago.

    This must have been caused by Model T Ford emissions or possibly from horse farts.

  • The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

    Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

    Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

    Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm
    .

    Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

    Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

    Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

    I must apologize.

    I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago.

    This must have been caused by Model T Ford emissions or possibly from horse farts.

    @vambo said:

    The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

    Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

    Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

    Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm
    .

    Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

    Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

    Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

    I must apologize.

    I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago.

    This must have been caused by Model T Ford emissions or possibly from horse farts.

    Apparently we have a few million more cars, and a lot more horses around now....

    Carbon dioxide levels

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

  • Basically, the media and some politicians can be guilty of "climate alarmism" and at the same time we can be doing not nearly enough to correct this issue. 

  • @vambo said:

    The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

    Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

    Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

    Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm
    .

    Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

    Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

    Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

    I must apologize.

    I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago.

    This must have been caused by Model T Ford emissions or possibly from horse farts.

    Apparently we have a few million more cars, and a lot more horses around now....

    Carbon dioxide levels

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    @hoorta said:

    Apparently we have a few million more cars, and a lot more horses around now....

    Carbon dioxide levels

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    The hottest period on record occurred in the 1930’s when CO2 emissions were only a fraction of what they are today.

    Must’ve been the horse farts.

    9B644CA8-A422-4533-87BC-E3F1F1D26BA7.png

  • @vambo said:

    The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

    Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

    Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

    Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm
    .

    Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

    Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

    Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

    I must apologize.

    I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago.

    This must have been caused by Model T Ford emissions or possibly from horse farts.

    Apparently we have a few million more cars, and a lot more horses around now....

    Carbon dioxide levels

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    @hoorta said:

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    @mld-woody said:

    Basically, the media and some politicians can be guilty of "climate alarmism" and at the same time we can be doing not nearly enough to correct this issue. 

    speaking of horse farts, "we don't do enough...vote democratic" stinks worse.

    Maybe fake mmgw stinks worse.

    https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

    Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

  • @hoorta said:

    Apparently we have a few million more cars, and a lot more horses around now....

    Carbon dioxide levels

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    The hottest period on record occurred in the 1930’s when CO2 emissions were only a fraction of what they are today.

    Must’ve been the horse farts.

    9B644CA8-A422-4533-87BC-E3F1F1D26BA7.png

    @canton-dawg said:

    The hottest period on record occurred in the 1930’s when CO2 emissions were only a fraction of what they are today.

    Must’ve been the horse farts.

    9B644CA8-A422-4533-87BC-E3F1F1D26BA7.png

    Sorry- I've got a different explanation The Dust Bowl.  Ever wonder why it's so freaking hot in the Sahara Desert? Or you miss that there's world wide warming, and what's happening in the USA is being amplified in the polar regions? 

    Doesn't surprise me at all that anti environment Trump's followers march right behind him....  Thinking Global Warming is a bunch of hooey and CO2 levels have nothing to do with it.  Let me take you on a trip to Venus with an atmosphere of 96% carbon dioxide and a surface temperature hot enough to melt lead as Exhibit A of the Greenhouse effect run amok. With an Earthlike atmosphere, I don't doubt we'd already have a few guys living at the planets poles where the temperature would probably be under 100 on most days... 

  • @hoorta said:

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    @mld-woody said:

    Basically, the media and some politicians can be guilty of "climate alarmism" and at the same time we can be doing not nearly enough to correct this issue. 

    speaking of horse farts, "we don't do enough...vote democratic" stinks worse.

    Maybe fake mmgw stinks worse.

    https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

    Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

    @calfoxwc said:

    speaking of horse farts, "we don't do enough...vote democratic" stinks worse.

    Maybe fake mmgw stinks worse.

    https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

    Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

    I knew it would be a waste of time arguing with the MAGAs.... I'm done....  

  • @hoorta said:

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    @mld-woody said:

    Basically, the media and some politicians can be guilty of "climate alarmism" and at the same time we can be doing not nearly enough to correct this issue. 

    speaking of horse farts, "we don't do enough...vote democratic" stinks worse.

    Maybe fake mmgw stinks worse.

    https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

    Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

    @calfoxwc said:

    speaking of horse farts, "we don't do enough...vote democratic" stinks worse.

    Maybe fake mmgw stinks worse.

    https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

    Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

    Oh I just couldn't resist a parting shot, after thinking about it ...  That's why during the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods, the entire Earth was a tropical jungle.  DUH!!!!  I'm sure it was those lefty scientists who planted dinosaur fossils near the South Pole.  😁  😁  😁   Or you ask your favorite Brontosaurus for a more accurate weather report from 100 million years ago?   😁  😁  😁 

    "The Cretaceous, which occurred approximately 145 million to 66 million years ago, was one of the warmest periods in the history of Earth. The poles were devoid of ice and average temperatures of up to 35 degrees Celsius (95F) prevailed in the oceans. "A typical greenhouse climate; some even refer to it as a 'super greenhouse' ," explains Professor Dr. Jens Herrle of the Goethe University and Senckenberg Biodiversity and Climate Research Center. In case your're curious, the estimation during that time, the oceans were 35 degrees warmer than they are now. You could have taken a very comfortable bath in any of them, if an ichthyosaurus didn't get you first... 

    You really must like the emanations from Trump's ass Cal, of course MAGAs think they smell like a rose........  

    So besides around 0% of the black vote, there's 4 million members of the Sierra Club who probably aren't voting for Coal Miner's Son Donald either.  He's got a solid 21 electoral votes from West Virginia, Oklahoma, the Dakotas, and Wyoming. After that, lotsa luck. Coal stack.... 

  • truth is, for years, Hoorta, I have said the one aspect of "mmgw" I agree with - is the destruction of the virgin rain forests.

    Too bad you didn't get a climate degree. and I've been talking about the fraud of "mmgw" for many years.

    See, that is BEFORE Pres Trump. He's only been pres for not even four years. Do the math.

    You can slobber all over the paris accord and the kyoto treaty, but they were garbage.

    Here is a HUGE problem with the climbing CO2 rates. And your little woodpecker can attest to the fact that I've brought it up many, many years ago.

    Climate change: Study warns Earth’s rainforest carbon ...

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1250901/Climate-change-study-Earth-rainforest-carbon-sinks-shrinking-CO2-global-warming

    Climate change: 30-year rainforest study finds Earth's carbon sinks are nearing collapse

    CLIMATE CHANGE is decimating the planet's ability to remove carbon from the atmosphere by shrinking intact rainforests in the Amazon and Africa, a climate expert has told Express.co.uk.

    Mar 04, 2020 · Tropical rainforests play a critical role in regulating climate change by drawing carbon dioxide from the air in a process known as carbon sequestration. …

    Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming ... - US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-rainforest-absorption-of-co2-becoming-erratic-9086304.html

    Jan 26, 2014 · News > Science Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming erratic. For each 1C rise in temperature, tropical regions now release about …

    Author: Steve Connor

  • The rain forests are being destroyed.

    So, who is sniffing the ass of al gore? hoorta and his little woodpecker, you betcha.

    (and somewhere out there, so is shepwrite, who I used to argue this with.)

    Deforestation major factor in global warming The clearing of forests is a big contributor to global climate change. About 20 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions come from the clearing of tropical forests. Since 2000, the loss of tree cover has added 98.7Gt to global CO2-emissions.

    https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/planet-earth/forests-and-deserts/rate-of-deforestation#:~:text=Deforestation major factor in global warming The clearing,tree cover has added 98.7Gt to global CO2-emissions.

  • truth is, for years, Hoorta, I have said the one aspect of "mmgw" I agree with - is the destruction of the virgin rain forests.

    Too bad you didn't get a climate degree. and I've been talking about the fraud of "mmgw" for many years.

    See, that is BEFORE Pres Trump. He's only been pres for not even four years. Do the math.

    You can slobber all over the paris accord and the kyoto treaty, but they were garbage.

    Here is a HUGE problem with the climbing CO2 rates. And your little woodpecker can attest to the fact that I've brought it up many, many years ago.

    Climate change: Study warns Earth’s rainforest carbon ...

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1250901/Climate-change-study-Earth-rainforest-carbon-sinks-shrinking-CO2-global-warming

    Climate change: 30-year rainforest study finds Earth's carbon sinks are nearing collapse

    CLIMATE CHANGE is decimating the planet's ability to remove carbon from the atmosphere by shrinking intact rainforests in the Amazon and Africa, a climate expert has told Express.co.uk.

    Mar 04, 2020 · Tropical rainforests play a critical role in regulating climate change by drawing carbon dioxide from the air in a process known as carbon sequestration. …

    Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming ... - US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-rainforest-absorption-of-co2-becoming-erratic-9086304.html

    Jan 26, 2014 · News > Science Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming erratic. For each 1C rise in temperature, tropical regions now release about …

    Author: Steve Connor

    @calfoxwc said:

    truth is, for years, Hoorta, I have said the one aspect of "mmgw" I agree with - is the destruction of the virgin rain forests.

    Too bad you didn't get a climate degree. and I've been talking about the fraud of "mmgw" for many years.

    See, that is BEFORE Pres Trump. He's only been pres for not even four years. Do the math.

    You can slobber all over the paris accord and the kyoto treaty, but they were garbage.

    Here is a HUGE problem with the climbing CO2 rates. And your little woodpecker can attest to the fact that I've brought it up many, many years ago.

    Climate change: Study warns Earth’s rainforest carbon ...

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1250901/Climate-change-study-Earth-rainforest-carbon-sinks-shrinking-CO2-global-warming

    Climate change: 30-year rainforest study finds Earth's carbon sinks are nearing collapse

    CLIMATE CHANGE is decimating the planet's ability to remove carbon from the atmosphere by shrinking intact rainforests in the Amazon and Africa, a climate expert has told Express.co.uk.

    Mar 04, 2020 · Tropical rainforests play a critical role in regulating climate change by drawing carbon dioxide from the air in a process known as carbon sequestration. …

    Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming ... - US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-rainforest-absorption-of-co2-becoming-erratic-9086304.html

    Jan 26, 2014 · News > Science Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming erratic. For each 1C rise in temperature, tropical regions now release about …

    Author: Steve Connor

    Shit- tell me something I didn't already know Cal.... Of course destroying the tropical forest carbon sinks is a big problem....  

  • @canton-dawg said:

    The hottest period on record occurred in the 1930’s when CO2 emissions were only a fraction of what they are today.

    Must’ve been the horse farts.

    9B644CA8-A422-4533-87BC-E3F1F1D26BA7.png

    Sorry- I've got a different explanation The Dust Bowl.  Ever wonder why it's so freaking hot in the Sahara Desert? Or you miss that there's world wide warming, and what's happening in the USA is being amplified in the polar regions? 

    Doesn't surprise me at all that anti environment Trump's followers march right behind him....  Thinking Global Warming is a bunch of hooey and CO2 levels have nothing to do with it.  Let me take you on a trip to Venus with an atmosphere of 96% carbon dioxide and a surface temperature hot enough to melt lead as Exhibit A of the Greenhouse effect run amok. With an Earthlike atmosphere, I don't doubt we'd already have a few guys living at the planets poles where the temperature would probably be under 100 on most days... 

    @hoorta said:

    Sorry- I've got a different explanation The Dust Bowl.

    The Dust Bowl?

    Have you ever stopped to think what caused the dust bowl?

    The heat and drought for nearly a decade caused the dust bowl, not the other way around.

    That’s like the tail wagging the dog.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    truth is, for years, Hoorta, I have said the one aspect of "mmgw" I agree with - is the destruction of the virgin rain forests.

    Too bad you didn't get a climate degree. and I've been talking about the fraud of "mmgw" for many years.

    See, that is BEFORE Pres Trump. He's only been pres for not even four years. Do the math.

    You can slobber all over the paris accord and the kyoto treaty, but they were garbage.

    Here is a HUGE problem with the climbing CO2 rates. And your little woodpecker can attest to the fact that I've brought it up many, many years ago.

    Climate change: Study warns Earth’s rainforest carbon ...

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1250901/Climate-change-study-Earth-rainforest-carbon-sinks-shrinking-CO2-global-warming

    Climate change: 30-year rainforest study finds Earth's carbon sinks are nearing collapse

    CLIMATE CHANGE is decimating the planet's ability to remove carbon from the atmosphere by shrinking intact rainforests in the Amazon and Africa, a climate expert has told Express.co.uk.

    Mar 04, 2020 · Tropical rainforests play a critical role in regulating climate change by drawing carbon dioxide from the air in a process known as carbon sequestration. …

    Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming ... - US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-rainforest-absorption-of-co2-becoming-erratic-9086304.html

    Jan 26, 2014 · News > Science Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming erratic. For each 1C rise in temperature, tropical regions now release about …

    Author: Steve Connor

    Shit- tell me something I didn't already know Cal.... Of course destroying the tropical forest carbon sinks is a big problem....  

    @hoorta said:

    Shit- tell me something I didn't already know Cal.... Of course destroying the tropical forest carbon sinks is a big problem....  

    if you knew that, you should have understood my point - but no, you went dumb ass reply.

  • @hoorta said:

    Sorry- I've got a different explanation The Dust Bowl.

    The Dust Bowl?

    Have you ever stopped to think what caused the dust bowl?

    The heat and drought for nearly a decade caused the dust bowl, not the other way around.

    That’s like the tail wagging the dog.

    @canton-dawg said:

    The Dust Bowl?

    Have you ever stopped to think what caused the dust bowl?

    The heat and drought for nearly a decade caused the dust bowl, not the other way around.

    That’s like the tail wagging the dog.

    And without any ground radiation of water vapor and really low atmospheric humidity- it caused the temperatures to skyrocket. Hence the spike in your graph... I wasn't saying what caused the Dust Bowl- the Dust bowl was the cause of the temperature spike. I know it's sort of hard to understand.... 

  • @hoorta said:

    Shit- tell me something I didn't already know Cal.... Of course destroying the tropical forest carbon sinks is a big problem....  

    if you knew that, you should have understood my point - but no, you went dumb ass reply.

    @calfoxwc said:

    if you knew that, you should have understood my point - but no, you went dumb ass reply.

    Don't worry Cal- there's plenty of dumb ass climate denial around here to go around.... 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    if you knew that, you should have understood my point - but no, you went dumb ass reply.

    Don't worry Cal- there's plenty of dumb ass climate denial around here to go around.... 

    @hoorta said:

    Don't worry Cal- there's plenty of dumb ass climate denial around here to go around.... 

    nah - there isn't denial, there is just truth that would set you mmgw wonks free, but your emotional knee jerking won't let it happen. Pro-"man made global warming" is such a farce - you all had to change the name to "climate change". The earth was supposed to flood over by 1977. LOL

  • @canton-dawg said:

    The Dust Bowl?

    Have you ever stopped to think what caused the dust bowl?

    The heat and drought for nearly a decade caused the dust bowl, not the other way around.

    That’s like the tail wagging the dog.

    And without any ground radiation of water vapor and really low atmospheric humidity- it caused the temperatures to skyrocket. Hence the spike in your graph... I wasn't saying what caused the Dust Bowl- the Dust bowl was the cause of the temperature spike. I know it's sort of hard to understand.... 

    @hoorta said:

    And without any ground radiation of water vapor and really low atmospheric humidity- it caused the temperatures to skyrocket. Hence the spike in your graph... I wasn't saying what caused the Dust Bowl- the Dust bowl was the cause of the temperature spike. I know it's sort of hard to understand.... 

    They were both caused by stagnant Rossby waves.