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  • @hoorta said:

    Apparently we have a few million more cars, and a lot more horses around now....

    Carbon dioxide levels

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    The hottest period on record occurred in the 1930’s when CO2 emissions were only a fraction of what they are today.

    Must’ve been the horse farts.

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    @canton-dawg said:

    The hottest period on record occurred in the 1930’s when CO2 emissions were only a fraction of what they are today.

    Must’ve been the horse farts.

    9B644CA8-A422-4533-87BC-E3F1F1D26BA7.png

    Sorry- I've got a different explanation The Dust Bowl.  Ever wonder why it's so freaking hot in the Sahara Desert? Or you miss that there's world wide warming, and what's happening in the USA is being amplified in the polar regions? 

    Doesn't surprise me at all that anti environment Trump's followers march right behind him....  Thinking Global Warming is a bunch of hooey and CO2 levels have nothing to do with it.  Let me take you on a trip to Venus with an atmosphere of 96% carbon dioxide and a surface temperature hot enough to melt lead as Exhibit A of the Greenhouse effect run amok. With an Earthlike atmosphere, I don't doubt we'd already have a few guys living at the planets poles where the temperature would probably be under 100 on most days... 

  • @hoorta said:

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    @mld-woody said:

    Basically, the media and some politicians can be guilty of "climate alarmism" and at the same time we can be doing not nearly enough to correct this issue. 

    speaking of horse farts, "we don't do enough...vote democratic" stinks worse.

    Maybe fake mmgw stinks worse.

    https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

    Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

    @calfoxwc said:

    speaking of horse farts, "we don't do enough...vote democratic" stinks worse.

    Maybe fake mmgw stinks worse.

    https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

    Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

    I knew it would be a waste of time arguing with the MAGAs.... I'm done....  

  • @hoorta said:

    Couldn't find a good picture, but 100 years ago Glacier Bay wasn't even a Bay- it was an ice sheet. Glacier NP is predicted to not have any glaciers fairly soon. I've hiked the Exit Glacier trail outside of Seward Alaska, where the glacier has retreated a mile from where it was 100 years ago. I won't even start as to what's happening in Antarctica- New York had better hope the Ross Ice Shelf doesn't collapse...  Yeah Vambo, it's all an illusion, nothing to worry about.... 

    @mld-woody said:

    Basically, the media and some politicians can be guilty of "climate alarmism" and at the same time we can be doing not nearly enough to correct this issue. 

    speaking of horse farts, "we don't do enough...vote democratic" stinks worse.

    Maybe fake mmgw stinks worse.

    https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

    Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

    @calfoxwc said:

    speaking of horse farts, "we don't do enough...vote democratic" stinks worse.

    Maybe fake mmgw stinks worse.

    https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

    Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

    Oh I just couldn't resist a parting shot, after thinking about it ...  That's why during the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods, the entire Earth was a tropical jungle.  DUH!!!!  I'm sure it was those lefty scientists who planted dinosaur fossils near the South Pole.  😁  😁  😁   Or you ask your favorite Brontosaurus for a more accurate weather report from 100 million years ago?   😁  😁  😁 

    "The Cretaceous, which occurred approximately 145 million to 66 million years ago, was one of the warmest periods in the history of Earth. The poles were devoid of ice and average temperatures of up to 35 degrees Celsius (95F) prevailed in the oceans. "A typical greenhouse climate; some even refer to it as a 'super greenhouse' ," explains Professor Dr. Jens Herrle of the Goethe University and Senckenberg Biodiversity and Climate Research Center. In case your're curious, the estimation during that time, the oceans were 35 degrees warmer than they are now. You could have taken a very comfortable bath in any of them, if an ichthyosaurus didn't get you first... 

    You really must like the emanations from Trump's ass Cal, of course MAGAs think they smell like a rose........  

    So besides around 0% of the black vote, there's 4 million members of the Sierra Club who probably aren't voting for Coal Miner's Son Donald either.  He's got a solid 21 electoral votes from West Virginia, Oklahoma, the Dakotas, and Wyoming. After that, lotsa luck. Coal stack.... 

  • truth is, for years, Hoorta, I have said the one aspect of "mmgw" I agree with - is the destruction of the virgin rain forests.

    Too bad you didn't get a climate degree. and I've been talking about the fraud of "mmgw" for many years.

    See, that is BEFORE Pres Trump. He's only been pres for not even four years. Do the math.

    You can slobber all over the paris accord and the kyoto treaty, but they were garbage.

    Here is a HUGE problem with the climbing CO2 rates. And your little woodpecker can attest to the fact that I've brought it up many, many years ago.

    Climate change: Study warns Earth’s rainforest carbon ...

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1250901/Climate-change-study-Earth-rainforest-carbon-sinks-shrinking-CO2-global-warming

    Climate change: 30-year rainforest study finds Earth's carbon sinks are nearing collapse

    CLIMATE CHANGE is decimating the planet's ability to remove carbon from the atmosphere by shrinking intact rainforests in the Amazon and Africa, a climate expert has told Express.co.uk.

    Mar 04, 2020 · Tropical rainforests play a critical role in regulating climate change by drawing carbon dioxide from the air in a process known as carbon sequestration. …

    Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming ... - US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-rainforest-absorption-of-co2-becoming-erratic-9086304.html

    Jan 26, 2014 · News > Science Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming erratic. For each 1C rise in temperature, tropical regions now release about …

    Author: Steve Connor

  • The rain forests are being destroyed.

    So, who is sniffing the ass of al gore? hoorta and his little woodpecker, you betcha.

    (and somewhere out there, so is shepwrite, who I used to argue this with.)

    Deforestation major factor in global warming The clearing of forests is a big contributor to global climate change. About 20 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions come from the clearing of tropical forests. Since 2000, the loss of tree cover has added 98.7Gt to global CO2-emissions.

    https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/planet-earth/forests-and-deserts/rate-of-deforestation#:~:text=Deforestation major factor in global warming The clearing,tree cover has added 98.7Gt to global CO2-emissions.

  • truth is, for years, Hoorta, I have said the one aspect of "mmgw" I agree with - is the destruction of the virgin rain forests.

    Too bad you didn't get a climate degree. and I've been talking about the fraud of "mmgw" for many years.

    See, that is BEFORE Pres Trump. He's only been pres for not even four years. Do the math.

    You can slobber all over the paris accord and the kyoto treaty, but they were garbage.

    Here is a HUGE problem with the climbing CO2 rates. And your little woodpecker can attest to the fact that I've brought it up many, many years ago.

    Climate change: Study warns Earth’s rainforest carbon ...

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1250901/Climate-change-study-Earth-rainforest-carbon-sinks-shrinking-CO2-global-warming

    Climate change: 30-year rainforest study finds Earth's carbon sinks are nearing collapse

    CLIMATE CHANGE is decimating the planet's ability to remove carbon from the atmosphere by shrinking intact rainforests in the Amazon and Africa, a climate expert has told Express.co.uk.

    Mar 04, 2020 · Tropical rainforests play a critical role in regulating climate change by drawing carbon dioxide from the air in a process known as carbon sequestration. …

    Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming ... - US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-rainforest-absorption-of-co2-becoming-erratic-9086304.html

    Jan 26, 2014 · News > Science Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming erratic. For each 1C rise in temperature, tropical regions now release about …

    Author: Steve Connor

    @calfoxwc said:

    truth is, for years, Hoorta, I have said the one aspect of "mmgw" I agree with - is the destruction of the virgin rain forests.

    Too bad you didn't get a climate degree. and I've been talking about the fraud of "mmgw" for many years.

    See, that is BEFORE Pres Trump. He's only been pres for not even four years. Do the math.

    You can slobber all over the paris accord and the kyoto treaty, but they were garbage.

    Here is a HUGE problem with the climbing CO2 rates. And your little woodpecker can attest to the fact that I've brought it up many, many years ago.

    Climate change: Study warns Earth’s rainforest carbon ...

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1250901/Climate-change-study-Earth-rainforest-carbon-sinks-shrinking-CO2-global-warming

    Climate change: 30-year rainforest study finds Earth's carbon sinks are nearing collapse

    CLIMATE CHANGE is decimating the planet's ability to remove carbon from the atmosphere by shrinking intact rainforests in the Amazon and Africa, a climate expert has told Express.co.uk.

    Mar 04, 2020 · Tropical rainforests play a critical role in regulating climate change by drawing carbon dioxide from the air in a process known as carbon sequestration. …

    Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming ... - US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-rainforest-absorption-of-co2-becoming-erratic-9086304.html

    Jan 26, 2014 · News > Science Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming erratic. For each 1C rise in temperature, tropical regions now release about …

    Author: Steve Connor

    Shit- tell me something I didn't already know Cal.... Of course destroying the tropical forest carbon sinks is a big problem....  

  • @canton-dawg said:

    The hottest period on record occurred in the 1930’s when CO2 emissions were only a fraction of what they are today.

    Must’ve been the horse farts.

    9B644CA8-A422-4533-87BC-E3F1F1D26BA7.png

    Sorry- I've got a different explanation The Dust Bowl.  Ever wonder why it's so freaking hot in the Sahara Desert? Or you miss that there's world wide warming, and what's happening in the USA is being amplified in the polar regions? 

    Doesn't surprise me at all that anti environment Trump's followers march right behind him....  Thinking Global Warming is a bunch of hooey and CO2 levels have nothing to do with it.  Let me take you on a trip to Venus with an atmosphere of 96% carbon dioxide and a surface temperature hot enough to melt lead as Exhibit A of the Greenhouse effect run amok. With an Earthlike atmosphere, I don't doubt we'd already have a few guys living at the planets poles where the temperature would probably be under 100 on most days... 

    @hoorta said:

    Sorry- I've got a different explanation The Dust Bowl.

    The Dust Bowl?

    Have you ever stopped to think what caused the dust bowl?

    The heat and drought for nearly a decade caused the dust bowl, not the other way around.

    That’s like the tail wagging the dog.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    truth is, for years, Hoorta, I have said the one aspect of "mmgw" I agree with - is the destruction of the virgin rain forests.

    Too bad you didn't get a climate degree. and I've been talking about the fraud of "mmgw" for many years.

    See, that is BEFORE Pres Trump. He's only been pres for not even four years. Do the math.

    You can slobber all over the paris accord and the kyoto treaty, but they were garbage.

    Here is a HUGE problem with the climbing CO2 rates. And your little woodpecker can attest to the fact that I've brought it up many, many years ago.

    Climate change: Study warns Earth’s rainforest carbon ...

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1250901/Climate-change-study-Earth-rainforest-carbon-sinks-shrinking-CO2-global-warming

    Climate change: 30-year rainforest study finds Earth's carbon sinks are nearing collapse

    CLIMATE CHANGE is decimating the planet's ability to remove carbon from the atmosphere by shrinking intact rainforests in the Amazon and Africa, a climate expert has told Express.co.uk.

    Mar 04, 2020 · Tropical rainforests play a critical role in regulating climate change by drawing carbon dioxide from the air in a process known as carbon sequestration. …

    Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming ... - US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-rainforest-absorption-of-co2-becoming-erratic-9086304.html

    Jan 26, 2014 · News > Science Climate change: Rainforest absorption of CO2 becoming erratic. For each 1C rise in temperature, tropical regions now release about …

    Author: Steve Connor

    Shit- tell me something I didn't already know Cal.... Of course destroying the tropical forest carbon sinks is a big problem....  

    @hoorta said:

    Shit- tell me something I didn't already know Cal.... Of course destroying the tropical forest carbon sinks is a big problem....  

    if you knew that, you should have understood my point - but no, you went dumb ass reply.

  • @hoorta said:

    Sorry- I've got a different explanation The Dust Bowl.

    The Dust Bowl?

    Have you ever stopped to think what caused the dust bowl?

    The heat and drought for nearly a decade caused the dust bowl, not the other way around.

    That’s like the tail wagging the dog.

    @canton-dawg said:

    The Dust Bowl?

    Have you ever stopped to think what caused the dust bowl?

    The heat and drought for nearly a decade caused the dust bowl, not the other way around.

    That’s like the tail wagging the dog.

    And without any ground radiation of water vapor and really low atmospheric humidity- it caused the temperatures to skyrocket. Hence the spike in your graph... I wasn't saying what caused the Dust Bowl- the Dust bowl was the cause of the temperature spike. I know it's sort of hard to understand.... 

  • @hoorta said:

    Shit- tell me something I didn't already know Cal.... Of course destroying the tropical forest carbon sinks is a big problem....  

    if you knew that, you should have understood my point - but no, you went dumb ass reply.

    @calfoxwc said:

    if you knew that, you should have understood my point - but no, you went dumb ass reply.

    Don't worry Cal- there's plenty of dumb ass climate denial around here to go around.... 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    if you knew that, you should have understood my point - but no, you went dumb ass reply.

    Don't worry Cal- there's plenty of dumb ass climate denial around here to go around.... 

    @hoorta said:

    Don't worry Cal- there's plenty of dumb ass climate denial around here to go around.... 

    nah - there isn't denial, there is just truth that would set you mmgw wonks free, but your emotional knee jerking won't let it happen. Pro-"man made global warming" is such a farce - you all had to change the name to "climate change". The earth was supposed to flood over by 1977. LOL

  • @canton-dawg said:

    The Dust Bowl?

    Have you ever stopped to think what caused the dust bowl?

    The heat and drought for nearly a decade caused the dust bowl, not the other way around.

    That’s like the tail wagging the dog.

    And without any ground radiation of water vapor and really low atmospheric humidity- it caused the temperatures to skyrocket. Hence the spike in your graph... I wasn't saying what caused the Dust Bowl- the Dust bowl was the cause of the temperature spike. I know it's sort of hard to understand.... 

    @hoorta said:

    And without any ground radiation of water vapor and really low atmospheric humidity- it caused the temperatures to skyrocket. Hence the spike in your graph... I wasn't saying what caused the Dust Bowl- the Dust bowl was the cause of the temperature spike. I know it's sort of hard to understand.... 

    They were both caused by stagnant Rossby waves.

  • @hoorta said:

    Don't worry Cal- there's plenty of dumb ass climate denial around here to go around.... 

    nah - there isn't denial, there is just truth that would set you mmgw wonks free, but your emotional knee jerking won't let it happen. Pro-"man made global warming" is such a farce - you all had to change the name to "climate change". The earth was supposed to flood over by 1977. LOL

    @calfoxwc said:

    nah - there isn't denial, there is just truth that would set you mmgw wonks free, but your emotional knee jerking won't let it happen. Pro-"man made global warming" is such a farce - you all had to change the name to "climate change". The earth was supposed to flood over by 1977. LOL

    Other way around Cal- those saying it isn't happening are the ones in denial. My POV is sure- man made causes aren't the only reason the planet is warming up- but it sure is a contributing factor. I'm not like the crackhead total greenies who want zero carbon emissions, that's impractical.  Solar energy? Wind Farms? OK, but save the Eagles- who only look down, and have been taken out by those turbines- and they are eyesores...  

    Electric cars arent going to catch on until they have the range of a regular car, and how many people are going to be willing to wait around for a recharge on a cross country trip? Now if you're into rocket science, in theory you can build a car powered by liquid hydrogen (or even compressed hydrogen gas) with water as the end product- but be careful with that -400F gas tank, not to mention the explosion hazard.  🙂 

    If you read the article I originally posted- the author does make sense that thawing permafrost will eventually create a feedback loop with methane gas being released as it thaws. And you can't deny an all-time temperature record of 100 degrees+ was just set north of the Arctic Circle. Is that significant? Maybe. Yeah- I did have to look up the record, and I knew it can get mighty hot in the Arctic and sub arctic with near 24 hours of continuous daylight and low humidity. Fairbanks hit 99 degrees, 102 years ago. OTOH, in the last five years Alaska has had their five warmest years ever- consecutively.  

  • @hoorta you're wasting your time. 

    Look through every other climate change thread for proof. 

  • @hoorta you're wasting your time. 

    Look through every other climate change thread for proof. 

    @mld-woody said:

    @hoorta you're wasting your time. 

    Look through every other climate change thread for proof. 

    Yeah- just like Trump is the most wonderful president ever.  🙂  

  • People are NOT anti science

    People are anti liars

    And from this, science is not immune.

    Far too often people of science manipulate their data to fit their particular agenda. Or even worse, to fit the agenda of those financing their research.

    I love science!  without political agendas.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    nah - there isn't denial, there is just truth that would set you mmgw wonks free, but your emotional knee jerking won't let it happen. Pro-"man made global warming" is such a farce - you all had to change the name to "climate change". The earth was supposed to flood over by 1977. LOL

    Other way around Cal- those saying it isn't happening are the ones in denial. My POV is sure- man made causes aren't the only reason the planet is warming up- but it sure is a contributing factor. I'm not like the crackhead total greenies who want zero carbon emissions, that's impractical.  Solar energy? Wind Farms? OK, but save the Eagles- who only look down, and have been taken out by those turbines- and they are eyesores...  

    Electric cars arent going to catch on until they have the range of a regular car, and how many people are going to be willing to wait around for a recharge on a cross country trip? Now if you're into rocket science, in theory you can build a car powered by liquid hydrogen (or even compressed hydrogen gas) with water as the end product- but be careful with that -400F gas tank, not to mention the explosion hazard.  🙂 

    If you read the article I originally posted- the author does make sense that thawing permafrost will eventually create a feedback loop with methane gas being released as it thaws. And you can't deny an all-time temperature record of 100 degrees+ was just set north of the Arctic Circle. Is that significant? Maybe. Yeah- I did have to look up the record, and I knew it can get mighty hot in the Arctic and sub arctic with near 24 hours of continuous daylight and low humidity. Fairbanks hit 99 degrees, 102 years ago. OTOH, in the last five years Alaska has had their five warmest years ever- consecutively.  

    @hoorta said:

    Other way around Cal- those saying it isn't happening are the ones in denial. My POV is sure- man made causes aren't the only reason the planet is warming up- but it sure is a contributing factor. I'm not like the crackhead total greenies who want zero carbon emissions, that's impractical.  Solar energy? Wind Farms? OK, but save the Eagles- who only look down, and have been taken out by those turbines- and they are eyesores...  

    Electric cars arent going to catch on until they have the range of a regular car, and how many people are going to be willing to wait around for a recharge on a cross country trip? Now if you're into rocket science, in theory you can build a car powered by liquid hydrogen (or even compressed hydrogen gas) with water as the end product- but be careful with that -400F gas tank, not to mention the explosion hazard.  🙂 

    If you read the article I originally posted- the author does make sense that thawing permafrost will eventually create a feedback loop with methane gas being released as it thaws. And you can't deny an all-time temperature record of 100 degrees+ was just set north of the Arctic Circle. Is that significant? Maybe. Yeah- I did have to look up the record, and I knew it can get mighty hot in the Arctic and sub arctic with near 24 hours of continuous daylight and low humidity. Fairbanks hit 99 degrees, 102 years ago. OTOH, in the last five years Alaska has had their five warmest years ever- consecutively.  

    A. Everybody knows climate changes. It's changing. But SUV's, and fines...and fees.... and the earth flooding by 1977, and all the money al gore has made on the subject....how high/low we set our thermostats, not being allowed to have a campfire, cows farting, farming fines/fees, "mmgw" extra costs for every and any reason the left can make up... you can stick all that political and financial crap somewhere and shove it.

    The united nations official even ADMITTED ...that global REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH was never going to happen unless mmgw was globally accepted.

    yeah, "mmgw" is so critical we're all going to be flooded out, blah blah blah...and guess what? CHINA and INDIA, two of the worst, are NOT BOUND by that worthless kyoto treaty.

    Countries in Africa, Asia, etc... underdeveloped...guess what? they can SELL carbon credits "they don't use".... to rich countries !

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!

    it's about redistribution of wealth globally.

  • so, Hoorta, how does it feel to "know" man made global warming was real, until it was found out to be a fraud with UN ulterior motives, so obviously, that they changed the name to "climate change"

    May the farce be with you - until you read on:

    The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All ...

    https://www.foxnews.com › opinion › the-un-makes-it...

    For years, climate realists around the world have been warning the international community that the entire man-made global warming myth and resulting hysteria is all a scheme to redistribute wealth...

    Author: Noel Sheppard

    Global Warming: A Scheme To Redistribute Wealth ...

    https://www.lewrockwell.com › 2019 › 12 › no_author › ...

    Dec 05, 2019 · As the “science” behind man-made global warming has been increasingly discredited, the story has changed. Now it’s not about saving the environment but about redistributing wealth, says a leading member of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

    Top Scientist: UN “Climate Finance” Is Subsidy for Kleptocracy

    https://www.thenewamerican.com › tech › environment › ...

    Jan 26, 2016 · PARIS — The international wealth-redistribution schemes of the United Nations, justified under the guise of battling alleged man-made global warming, are …

  • furthermore:

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/noel-sheppard/2010/11/18/un-ipcc-official-admits-we-redistribute-worlds-wealth-climate

    The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important ...

    Jan 22, 2013 · Viewed from an even larger perspective, the global warming rubric has provided an ideal platform to accomplish exactly what Chavez has in mind…to enable the U.N. to advance large transformational...

  • but WAIT ! There's MORE !

    U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare ...
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism/

    Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man's stewardship of the environment.But we know that's not true. A United Nations official has now ...