Njoku Back In
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Now he "officially" sucks
For a team that wants to use multi-TE sets early and often, this isn't great news.
But he's a free agent after this season, right? I doubt they were re-signing him anyways.
For a team that wants to use multi-TE sets early and often, this isn't great news.
But he's a free agent after this season, right? I doubt they were re-signing him anyways.
I believe he was extended, might have 2 seasons left on contract.
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For a team that wants to use multi-TE sets early and often, this isn't great news.
But he's a free agent after this season, right? I doubt they were re-signing him anyways.
I believe he was extended, might have 2 seasons left on contract.
I believe he was extended, might have 2 seasons left on contract.
You are correct... the Browns a few months ago picked up his 5th year option, which means he would be a free agent after the 2021 season. I had forgotten about this.
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I believe he was extended, might have 2 seasons left on contract.
You are correct... the Browns a few months ago picked up his 5th year option, which means he would be a free agent after the 2021 season. I had forgotten about this.
You are correct... the Browns a few months ago picked up his 5th year option, which means he would be a free agent after the 2021 season. I had forgotten about this.
Adds value, which at this point, there doesn't seem to be much. His injury history and only 5 catches last season wont help.
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For a team that wants to use multi-TE sets early and often, this isn't great news.
But he's a free agent after this season, right? I doubt they were re-signing him anyways.
I believe he was extended, might have 2 seasons left on contract.
I believe he was extended, might have 2 seasons left on contract.
I guess that he had every intention of being a Cleveland BROWNS player for at least the next two years.
Hmmmm I wonder what changed ?
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Your Honor, I saw some good things out of him when Baker was a rookie. Since my favorite team drafted him - of course I wanted him to succeed. Why wouldn't I?
Now for the reasons I find it easy to say "Don't let the door hit you in the asss on the easy out." Last year, there was some speculation he was unhappy and dropping passes on purpose in practice to show people he wanted out. I understand he was also playing through injury and he dropped passes in the 2nd Cincy game. But when you have to start guessing if it's crappy attitude or sloppy concentration from a 1st round guy fans expect to be a professional - it starts to change the perception.
Then came the Coaching change which was a fresh start for everyone. I have no problem if he wants out; but don't tell us a few months ago you have a refreshed feeling and you're excited with new opportunities under the new staff. Then, come right back to the same "I want out." Gas to fire, Rosenhaus is his agent.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is this okay?
It's about being objective, that's all. There's nothing wrong with wanting your favorite team to do well.
But when a person has nothing but glowing things to say about a player one day, then the player magically sucks the next, it comes off a bit homerish. It's the sports version of "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT." There's no grey area with some people. That's all, Flugs.
I've found Njoku to be somewhat disappointing, especially considering his draft position, and now that I know he doesn't want to be here? Bye Felicia.
And dammit, stop with "your honor" stuff... leave that for Gipper! ?
It's about being objective, that's all. There's nothing wrong with wanting your favorite team to do well.
But when a person has nothing but glowing things to say about a player one day, then the player magically sucks the next, it comes off a bit homerish. It's the sports version of "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT." There's no grey area with some people. That's all, Flugs.
I've found Njoku to be somewhat disappointing, especially considering his draft position, and now that I know he doesn't want to be here? Bye Felicia.
And dammit, stop with "your honor" stuff... leave that for Gipper! ?
? You're fine Dutch. I wasn't sure who you were directing that at. If it was me - I used it as an ideal time to bust your balls (which I don't do very often). Looks like we have the same opinions about Njoku as well as why we have them.
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I'm interested to see what Berry does here. Njoku has no leverage. He's under contract for 2 more years. Plus, he was hurt last year so his stats aren't exactly glowing. I would tell Rosenhaus that they are welcome to seek a trade with another team but if it doesn't start with a 2nd round pick, then I'm not interested. It's not that I think Njoku has that sort of value right now, as I don't think the Browns could get more than a 4th rounder, 3rd at best, but it's setting the standard for future players with this regime. In addition, there is no reason to cave to him. If there is one position group on this team that is easily replaceable, it's the tight ends. yes, stefanski loves them, but that also means he can develop them. Look at MN last year. No 1000 yard TE and none caught more than 75 balls. It was spread out. Plus, i think players such as Carlson are just as effective in this scheme
I have seen various scenarios, all are speculation and manufactured with no credibility) but I'm not sure which is realistic:
Njoku and a 3rd rounder for Ngakuoe? still have to pay Ngakuoe
Hassan Riddick plus a 4th for Njoku? Trading for potential
Jamal Adams for Njoku and 2021 & 2022 2nd rounders? Still have to pay Adams
Njoku to cowboys for a 4th rounder...I've seen this deal for Washington as well
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I like some of Njoku's "Skill set" if we can call it that.... He's got decent size and speed...Some TE's take as long as 4-5 years to get into their groove.. I mean.. Let's look at Zydrunas Ilgauskas for example... After all of those foot injuries... Did anyone honestly thing he would turn in a championship career?.. I certainly did not... However.. Since it was Rosenhaus he chose... He basically inked his football career death.....
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Jeremy Fowler of ESPN has tweeted that the Browns have known of Njoku's unhappiness in Cleveland for about a year. This is not breaking news to the Browns, apparently.
Jeremy Fowler of ESPN has tweeted that the Browns have known of Njoku's unhappiness in Cleveland for about a year. This is not breaking news to the Browns, apparently.
No, that's a garbage source that you can't trust. None of it is true. You can't prove it.
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I believe he was extended, might have 2 seasons left on contract.
I guess that he had every intention of being a Cleveland BROWNS player for at least the next two years.
Hmmmm I wonder what changed ?
I guess that he had every intention of being a Cleveland BROWNS player for at least the next two years.
Hmmmm I wonder what changed ?
What changed is we signed Hooper, a pro bowl type player and drafted a TE in the 4th round. David knows he is a pass catching TE with bad hands. He needs to try to bluff someone else.
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I like some of Njoku's "Skill set" if we can call it that.... He's got decent size and speed...Some TE's take as long as 4-5 years to get into their groove.. I mean.. Let's look at Zydrunas Ilgauskas for example... After all of those foot injuries... Did anyone honestly thing he would turn in a championship career?.. I certainly did not... However.. Since it was Rosenhaus he chose... He basically inked his football career death.....
I like some of Njoku's "Skill set" if we can call it that.... He's got decent size and speed...Some TE's take as long as 4-5 years to get into their groove.. I mean.. Let's look at Zydrunas Ilgauskas for example... After all of those foot injuries... Did anyone honestly thing he would turn in a championship career?.. I certainly did not... However.. Since it was Rosenhaus he chose... He basically inked his football career death.....
He was on his way to "career death"before hiring Drew. Now this is a last ditch attempt to get a 2nd, large contract, but he's never shown anything to garner such. What team is going to:
1.) Trade daft picks for a TE who scored 1 TD last year.
2.) Give a top 10 TE $ to a guy who has basically done nothing for 3 years.
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Jeremy Fowler of ESPN has tweeted that the Browns have known of Njoku's unhappiness in Cleveland for about a year. This is not breaking news to the Browns, apparently.
No, that's a garbage source that you can't trust. None of it is true. You can't prove it.
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I like some of Njoku's "Skill set" if we can call it that.... He's got decent size and speed...Some TE's take as long as 4-5 years to get into their groove.. I mean.. Let's look at Zydrunas Ilgauskas for example... After all of those foot injuries... Did anyone honestly thing he would turn in a championship career?.. I certainly did not... However.. Since it was Rosenhaus he chose... He basically inked his football career death.....
He was on his way to "career death"before hiring Drew. Now this is a last ditch attempt to get a 2nd, large contract, but he's never shown anything to garner such. What team is going to:
1.) Trade daft picks for a TE who scored 1 TD last year.
2.) Give a top 10 TE $ to a guy who has basically done nothing for 3 years.
He was on his way to "career death"before hiring Drew. Now this is a last ditch attempt to get a 2nd, large contract, but he's never shown anything to garner such. What team is going to:
1.) Trade daft picks for a TE who scored 1 TD last year.
2.) Give a top 10 TE $ to a guy who has basically done nothing for 3 years.
I agree Cube. He has to get out of here to have any shot at a big payday. I don't blame him or his agent. I don't think he is a malcontent. You have to try to protect your interests and being here isn't in his best interests.Between Hooper and Hunt, they steal 85% of David's targets. Guys catching 20-30 balls a season don't get big money. They live on 1 year deals at minimum pay plus a few incentives.. When you are a pass catching TE with questionable hands, it isn't a good combination.
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He was on his way to "career death"before hiring Drew. Now this is a last ditch attempt to get a 2nd, large contract, but he's never shown anything to garner such. What team is going to:
1.) Trade daft picks for a TE who scored 1 TD last year.
2.) Give a top 10 TE $ to a guy who has basically done nothing for 3 years.
I agree Cube. He has to get out of here to have any shot at a big payday. I don't blame him or his agent. I don't think he is a malcontent. You have to try to protect your interests and being here isn't in his best interests.Between Hooper and Hunt, they steal 85% of David's targets. Guys catching 20-30 balls a season don't get big money. They live on 1 year deals at minimum pay plus a few incentives.. When you are a pass catching TE with questionable hands, it isn't a good combination.
I agree Cube. He has to get out of here to have any shot at a big payday. I don't blame him or his agent. I don't think he is a malcontent. You have to try to protect your interests and being here isn't in his best interests.Between Hooper and Hunt, they steal 85% of David's targets. Guys catching 20-30 balls a season don't get big money. They live on 1 year deals at minimum pay plus a few incentives.. When you are a pass catching TE with questionable hands, it isn't a good combination.
Agree to all. When you are a known weak-blocking TE, you better catch everything near you. He has not. "Athletic ability" does not always translate to "football player."
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I did so want to see what Stef could do with Njoku in his TE friendly offense....as opposed to Freddie. It's obvious, however, that the new FO and HC invested somewhat heavily in the TE position since taking over the team. That doesn't show a whole lot of faith in Njoku.
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He was on his way to "career death"before hiring Drew. Now this is a last ditch attempt to get a 2nd, large contract, but he's never shown anything to garner such. What team is going to:
1.) Trade daft picks for a TE who scored 1 TD last year.
2.) Give a top 10 TE $ to a guy who has basically done nothing for 3 years.
I agree Cube. He has to get out of here to have any shot at a big payday. I don't blame him or his agent. I don't think he is a malcontent. You have to try to protect your interests and being here isn't in his best interests.Between Hooper and Hunt, they steal 85% of David's targets. Guys catching 20-30 balls a season don't get big money. They live on 1 year deals at minimum pay plus a few incentives.. When you are a pass catching TE with questionable hands, it isn't a good combination.
I agree Cube. He has to get out of here to have any shot at a big payday. I don't blame him or his agent. I don't think he is a malcontent. You have to try to protect your interests and being here isn't in his best interests.Between Hooper and Hunt, they steal 85% of David's targets. Guys catching 20-30 balls a season don't get big money. They live on 1 year deals at minimum pay plus a few incentives.. When you are a pass catching TE with questionable hands, it isn't a good combination.
He was really never that good, he was more about potential with good length, size and speed. His hands were always questionable. To be honest, who have the Browns had worth a damn at TE since Ozzie? Seth Devalue? He was devalued. Malcolm Johnson? Randal Telfer? Brad Smelley? Pee u. Jordan Cameron? Had a nice 2013 and then what happened to him? He looked like a beast that season. Martin Rucker? Winslow Jr? One of the all time worst draft busts in Browns' history. Didn't he just get locked up for raping an 80-year old? Darnell Sanders? James Dearth? He was a real dearth of talent. If you're a TE and Cleveland drafts you, you're toast. They finally waved the white flat and signed a FA to turn the TE spot around.
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I'm interested to see what Berry does here. Njoku has no leverage. He's under contract for 2 more years. Plus, he was hurt last year so his stats aren't exactly glowing. I would tell Rosenhaus that they are welcome to seek a trade with another team but if it doesn't start with a 2nd round pick, then I'm not interested. It's not that I think Njoku has that sort of value right now, as I don't think the Browns could get more than a 4th rounder, 3rd at best, but it's setting the standard for future players with this regime. In addition, there is no reason to cave to him. If there is one position group on this team that is easily replaceable, it's the tight ends. yes, stefanski loves them, but that also means he can develop them. Look at MN last year. No 1000 yard TE and none caught more than 75 balls. It was spread out. Plus, i think players such as Carlson are just as effective in this scheme
I have seen various scenarios, all are speculation and manufactured with no credibility) but I'm not sure which is realistic:
Njoku and a 3rd rounder for Ngakuoe? still have to pay Ngakuoe
Hassan Riddick plus a 4th for Njoku? Trading for potential
Jamal Adams for Njoku and 2021 & 2022 2nd rounders? Still have to pay Adams
Njoku to cowboys for a 4th rounder...I've seen this deal for Washington as well
I'm interested to see what Berry does here. Njoku has no leverage. He's under contract for 2 more years. Plus, he was hurt last year so his stats aren't exactly glowing. I would tell Rosenhaus that they are welcome to seek a trade with another team but if it doesn't start with a 2nd round pick, then I'm not interested. It's not that I think Njoku has that sort of value right now, as I don't think the Browns could get more than a 4th rounder, 3rd at best, but it's setting the standard for future players with this regime. In addition, there is no reason to cave to him. If there is one position group on this team that is easily replaceable, it's the tight ends. yes, stefanski loves them, but that also means he can develop them. Look at MN last year. No 1000 yard TE and none caught more than 75 balls. It was spread out. Plus, i think players such as Carlson are just as effective in this scheme
I have seen various scenarios, all are speculation and manufactured with no credibility) but I'm not sure which is realistic:
Njoku and a 3rd rounder for Ngakuoe? still have to pay Ngakuoe
Hassan Riddick plus a 4th for Njoku? Trading for potential
Jamal Adams for Njoku and 2021 & 2022 2nd rounders? Still have to pay Adams
Njoku to cowboys for a 4th rounder...I've seen this deal for Washington as well
Excellent assessment.
Id rather keep Njoku for a year- let him play with a chip and play like he’s trying to get his next contract. It’s Time for the Browns to be on the other side of this. You are getting pennies on the dollar by dealing him now with the season in somewhat jeopardy and his performance the past two years.
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I'm interested to see what Berry does here. Njoku has no leverage. He's under contract for 2 more years. Plus, he was hurt last year so his stats aren't exactly glowing. I would tell Rosenhaus that they are welcome to seek a trade with another team but if it doesn't start with a 2nd round pick, then I'm not interested. It's not that I think Njoku has that sort of value right now, as I don't think the Browns could get more than a 4th rounder, 3rd at best, but it's setting the standard for future players with this regime. In addition, there is no reason to cave to him. If there is one position group on this team that is easily replaceable, it's the tight ends. yes, stefanski loves them, but that also means he can develop them. Look at MN last year. No 1000 yard TE and none caught more than 75 balls. It was spread out. Plus, i think players such as Carlson are just as effective in this scheme
I have seen various scenarios, all are speculation and manufactured with no credibility) but I'm not sure which is realistic:
Njoku and a 3rd rounder for Ngakuoe? still have to pay Ngakuoe
Hassan Riddick plus a 4th for Njoku? Trading for potential
Jamal Adams for Njoku and 2021 & 2022 2nd rounders? Still have to pay Adams
Njoku to cowboys for a 4th rounder...I've seen this deal for Washington as well
Excellent assessment.
Id rather keep Njoku for a year- let him play with a chip and play like he’s trying to get his next contract. It’s Time for the Browns to be on the other side of this. You are getting pennies on the dollar by dealing him now with the season in somewhat jeopardy and his performance the past two years.
Excellent assessment.
Id rather keep Njoku for a year- let him play with a chip and play like he’s trying to get his next contract. It’s Time for the Browns to be on the other side of this. You are getting pennies on the dollar by dealing him now with the season in somewhat jeopardy and his performance the past two years.
apparently, his value is said to be less than a third round pick. I agree, keep him, make him play, if he screws it up, he never gets a big payday. If he does play great, which I doubt, he is worth a higher draft pick.
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I agree Cube. He has to get out of here to have any shot at a big payday. I don't blame him or his agent. I don't think he is a malcontent. You have to try to protect your interests and being here isn't in his best interests.Between Hooper and Hunt, they steal 85% of David's targets. Guys catching 20-30 balls a season don't get big money. They live on 1 year deals at minimum pay plus a few incentives.. When you are a pass catching TE with questionable hands, it isn't a good combination.
He was really never that good, he was more about potential with good length, size and speed. His hands were always questionable. To be honest, who have the Browns had worth a damn at TE since Ozzie? Seth Devalue? He was devalued. Malcolm Johnson? Randal Telfer? Brad Smelley? Pee u. Jordan Cameron? Had a nice 2013 and then what happened to him? He looked like a beast that season. Martin Rucker? Winslow Jr? One of the all time worst draft busts in Browns' history. Didn't he just get locked up for raping an 80-year old? Darnell Sanders? James Dearth? He was a real dearth of talent. If you're a TE and Cleveland drafts you, you're toast. They finally waved the white flat and signed a FA to turn the TE spot around.
To be honest, who have the Browns had worth a damn at TE since Ozzie?
Aside from Gary Barnidge, we had Benjamin Watson for a year or two. A good receiver, blocker and a great guy. But for some reason we let him walk and go on to have many very productive years. Obviously, we've had people that didn't understand the TE position very well. Except for that season with DePhlippo & Barnidge.
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Njoku wants to be traded by training camp.
You don't know this, it's a fake source. You're just saying this because you don't like him. He loves being in Cleveland and wants to play his entire career there.
You don't know this, it's a fake source. You're just saying this because you don't like him. He loves being in Cleveland and wants to play his entire career there.
Is this a real take? He's definitely asking for a trade. I've seen it from multiple sources.
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Excellent assessment.
Id rather keep Njoku for a year- let him play with a chip and play like he’s trying to get his next contract. It’s Time for the Browns to be on the other side of this. You are getting pennies on the dollar by dealing him now with the season in somewhat jeopardy and his performance the past two years.
apparently, his value is said to be less than a third round pick. I agree, keep him, make him play, if he screws it up, he never gets a big payday. If he does play great, which I doubt, he is worth a higher draft pick.
apparently, his value is said to be less than a third round pick. I agree, keep him, make him play, if he screws it up, he never gets a big payday. If he does play great, which I doubt, he is worth a higher draft pick.
A 3rd????
Wow. That would be an overpay. I’d take it if offered. That’s not pennies on the dollar and if you really think about it you could probably find a more football talented TE in 2021 draft in the third round that you would have control of for four years.
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