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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @bob806 said:

    I'm going with Tarkenton. 

    Marino was great, but without Duper & Clayton he didn't shine.

    Honorable Mention to Kenny Stabler.

    Stabler won a Super Bowl for the Raiders, against the Vikings. 

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on
    #12

    @dutch-oven said:

    Stabler won a Super Bowl for the Raiders, against the Vikings. 

    Oops, that's right.

    Well, he should have won a couple more lol. The guy was great.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #13

    Zombo said:

    I was just making sure he didn't get me on a technicality... You know Gip!

    Z

    I did mean players from the SB era 

  • Bob806B Bob806

    @dutch-oven said:

    Stabler won a Super Bowl for the Raiders, against the Vikings. 

    Oops, that's right.

    Well, he should have won a couple more lol. The guy was great.

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on
    #14

    @bob806 said:

    Oops, that's right.

    Well, he should have won a couple more lol. The guy was great.

    Ken "the snake" Stabler was also a HOF quarterback but due to CFE caused by head blows was unable to make it to Canton to be induced personally, his grandkids were there in his place......how sad.   His legacy and those of others are why they can not hit QBs and WRs now.....who can play into their 40s in many cases.

    But he was one of Madden's great old Raiders that terrorized pro football back then.

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
  • mjp28M mjp28

    @bob806 said:

    Oops, that's right.

    Well, he should have won a couple more lol. The guy was great.

    Ken "the snake" Stabler was also a HOF quarterback but due to CFE caused by head blows was unable to make it to Canton to be induced personally, his grandkids were there in his place......how sad.   His legacy and those of others are why they can not hit QBs and WRs now.....who can play into their 40s in many cases.

    But he was one of Madden's great old Raiders that terrorized pro football back then.

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on
    #15

    @mjp28 said:

    Ken "the snake" Stabler was also a HOF quarterback but due to CFE caused by head blows was unable to make it to Canton to be induced personally, his grandkids were there in his place......how sad.   His legacy and those of others are why they can not hit QBs and WRs now.....who can play into their 40s in many cases.

    But he was one of Madden's great old Raiders that terrorized pro football back then.

    Yeah I never understood the delay in his induction to the HOF. It seemed he somehow alienated voters.

    There was a documentary on it and I know his family was very upset about him being inducted posthumously. 

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  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on
    #16

    The snake was quite a football player.  Stabler was posthumously elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2016.

    Stabler was married three times: Isabel Clarke from 1968 to 1973, Debbie Fitzsimmons from 1975 to 1978 and Rose Molly Burch from 1984 to 2009.

    Stabler had three daughters, Kendra Stabler Moyes, Alexa Stabler-Adams and Marissa Leigh Stabler.[44] In 2017, Alexa Stabler-Adams was certified by the NFLPA as a sports agent. [45]

    Renowned for being cool and cerebral on the field, Stabler was equally legendary for his off-field exploits;[citation needed] he wrote in his 1986 autobiography Snake, "The monotony of [training] camp was so oppressive that without the diversions of whiskey and women, those of us who were wired for activity and no more than six hours sleep a night might have gone berserk".[46] Stabler told stories of drunk Raiders teammates pointing guns at him, and bailing out a teammate from jail who was wearing nothing but blue cowboy boots and his Super Bowl ring. "We were the only pro team who traveled with its own bail bondsman", he said.[47]

    DeathEdit

    Stabler died of colon cancer on July 8, 2015, at the age of 69. He had been diagnosed with the disease in February 2015. After some initial confusion when The Tuscaloosa News leaked a draft obituary for Stabler before word of his death could be confirmed, his family confirmed his death in a statement issued on July 9.[48][49]

    In February 2016, The New York Times reported that researchers at Boston University discovered high Stage 3 chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in Stabler's brain after his death.[50] He was buried at Pine Rest Cemetery in Foley, Alabama.

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  • I Icecube

    It's clearly Marino. 

    And then Fouts, Moon and Tark. 

    I think Kelly is a bit overrated. You get there 4 times and never close the door even once? They had no right losing to the Giants, albeit, they did go against Tuna and Hoodie and they sure did a number on their offense. Holding those Bills under 30 was an amazing feat. 

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #17

    @icecube said:

    It's clearly Marino. 

    And then Fouts, Moon and Tark. 

    I think Kelly is a bit overrated. You get there 4 times and never close the door even once? They had no right losing to the Giants, albeit, they did go against Tuna and Hoodie and they sure did a number on their offense. Holding those Bills under 30 was an amazing feat. 

    Kelly was a Scott Norwood missed FG away from winning one. 

  • Bob806B Bob806

    @dutch-oven said:

    Stabler won a Super Bowl for the Raiders, against the Vikings. 

    Oops, that's right.

    Well, he should have won a couple more lol. The guy was great.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #18

    @bob806 said:

    Oops, that's right.

    Well, he should have won a couple more lol. The guy was great.

    There were some great teams in the 70s to compete with...

  • I Icecube

    It's clearly Marino. 

    And then Fouts, Moon and Tark. 

    I think Kelly is a bit overrated. You get there 4 times and never close the door even once? They had no right losing to the Giants, albeit, they did go against Tuna and Hoodie and they sure did a number on their offense. Holding those Bills under 30 was an amazing feat. 

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on
    #19

    @icecube said:

    It's clearly Marino. 

    And then Fouts, Moon and Tark. 

    I think Kelly is a bit overrated. You get there 4 times and never close the door even once? They had no right losing to the Giants, albeit, they did go against Tuna and Hoodie and they sure did a number on their offense. Holding those Bills under 30 was an amazing feat. 

    Kelly seems to carry that overrated tag but he was a big part of the K-gun offence (named for him) and making it to and losing 4 consecutive super bowls.

    And Buffalo was only favored in one the one they coulda' actually won and during the 13 game NFC win streak.  It wasn't to be.

    Pretty safe in saying that record will never be equaled.  From our friends at vegasinsider.com

    XXVIII 1994 Atlanta, GA Dallas vs. Buffalo Dallas -10.5 (50.5) Dallas 30 Buffalo 13 Favorite-Under
    XXVII 1993 Pasadena, CA Dallas vs. Buffalo Dallas -6.5 (44.5) Dallas 52 Buffalo 17 Favorite-Over
    XXVI 1992 Minneapolis, MN Washington vs. Buffalo Washington -7 (49) Washington 37 Buffalo 24 Favorite-Over
    XXV 1991 Tampa, FL N.Y. Giants vs. Buffalo Buffalo -7 (40.5) N.Y. Giants 20 Buffalo 19 Underdog-Under
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  • ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on
    #20

    I feel for Bills fans.  You go to the SB four years in a row and don't get at least one of them...ouch.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I feel for Bills fans.  You go to the SB four years in a row and don't get at least one of them...ouch.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #21

    @ballpeen said:

    I feel for Bills fans.  You go to the SB four years in a row and don't get at least one of them...ouch.

    It's kind of like us with the Indians teams of 1995-2001. Six division titles in seven years, two A.L. pennants but could never win a World Series despite all that talent. 

  • ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on
    #22

    Yep. It's why I feel for them.

    Heck, I feel a double whammy.  I live 100 miles from Atlanta.  My youngest son and I watched Braves games every night for years.  With the Braves I go back to the days of Dale Murphy, Bob Horner, Phil Niekro. Went to 5-6 games a year.  Maddox, Glavin, Schmoltz, and some other guys who were pretty good....name a better pitching staff.  That is 3 HOF pitchers.  I watched them lose to the Twins and Bluejays in the WS.  Then they beat the Indians in the WS.  

    I couldn't even enjoy that.  Maybe I am jinxed?

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #23

    Supplemental Question:

    Who was the WORST QB to WIN a Super Bowl.

    Take this two ways:   A. The player who had the worst career but won one nevertheless    B.  The QB who had the worst game, but their team won nevertheless

    My candidate for B:  Ben R. in the 2005 game. He sucked swamp water, but the team won nevertheless...because of defense and help from the Zebras.

    Have to think about A. 

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #24

    I think the candidates for  A...QB with the worst career to win a SB  has to include these candidates:   Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson.

    Not that these were really bad QBs,  just that they did not have the illustrious total career as most other SB winning QBs. 

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    I think the candidates for  A...QB with the worst career to win a SB  has to include these candidates:   Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson.

    Not that these were really bad QBs,  just that they did not have the illustrious total career as most other SB winning QBs. 

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on
    #25

    @the-gipper said:

    I think the candidates for  A...QB with the worst career to win a SB  has to include these candidates:   Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson.

    Not that these were really bad QBs,  just that they did not have the illustrious total career as most other SB winning QBs. 

    Trent Dilfer's name (among the others mentioned) pops up a lot when they talk about a mediocre quarterback who was just good enough to manage an offence on a good team generally with a great defense.  "Here's the ball don't fuck it up."

    Generally it is the franchise type quarterback who leads a good team to the super bowl and wins it.

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
  • mjp28M mjp28

    @the-gipper said:

    I think the candidates for  A...QB with the worst career to win a SB  has to include these candidates:   Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson.

    Not that these were really bad QBs,  just that they did not have the illustrious total career as most other SB winning QBs. 

    Trent Dilfer's name (among the others mentioned) pops up a lot when they talk about a mediocre quarterback who was just good enough to manage an offence on a good team generally with a great defense.  "Here's the ball don't fuck it up."

    Generally it is the franchise type quarterback who leads a good team to the super bowl and wins it.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #26

    @mjp28 said:

    Trent Dilfer's name (among the others mentioned) pops up a lot when they talk about a mediocre quarterback who was just good enough to manage an offence on a good team generally with a great defense.  "Here's the ball don't fuck it up."

    Generally it is the franchise type quarterback who leads a good team to the super bowl and wins it.

    Yes, ergo the question. 

  • Browns149B Browns149 wrote on
    #27

    I always thought Randall Cunningham was over looked. The guy had 30,000 yards passing. Way more Td’s than int’s. Not too mention all the rushing yards and Td’s

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • Browns149B Browns149

    I always thought Randall Cunningham was over looked. The guy had 30,000 yards passing. Way more Td’s than int’s. Not too mention all the rushing yards and Td’s

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #28

    @browns149 said:

    I always thought Randall Cunningham was over looked. The guy had 30,000 yards passing. Way more Td’s than int’s. Not too mention all the rushing yards and Td’s

    I think he gets overlooked because he and the Eagles weren't successful in the playoffs. A lot was expected of those Buddy Ryan teams, but they only went 2-5 in the playoffs with Cunningham. 

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