What are the chances Greedy turns out?
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I never screamed louder at my TV set while watching a Jim O'Neil's browns defense.. no angles nor wrap tackling techs..we were the worst tackling team by miles..
till...Along came Gregg Williams.... Was the best tackling improvement I'd ever seen?
Along comes Steve Wilks....and were back to no heads around with ball in air & soft over pursuit arm tackling was back...
if Joe Woods has proven one thing? He took Talib/Harris & or R.Sherman... and a bunch of no name young DB's, to a top 5 unit in passing against/game...9'ers were ranked #1 last season while Robert Saleh took most the credit...but Joe Woods was the 9'ers secondary coach...
Woods has proven everywhere he can coach...Does Ward & Greedy & others want to accept the NFL coaching is a whole different thing?.. and maybe Ward did listen to Gregg Williams about "getting trucked in this league" ?
as for Greedy? he didn't seem to play scared when it came to breaking down & tackling...but with that frame? target taking the wheels out..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
Greedy is like Ward, can’t stay healthy. Greedy had an “ok” rookie season but nothing special. Injuries aside I think he will be decent. They still got Money Mitchell as the 3rd option and I think the dude is better than Greedy
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Sure.
Do you feel he has lived up (and/or down) to his pre-draft profile?
Good size and speed, but weak in quickness and being physical.
Do you feel he has lived up (and/or down) to his pre-draft profile?
Good size and speed, but weak in quickness and being physical.
Sure.
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The book on Greedy is he is good in man coverage. We didn't play much of that last year. I think he will be fine.
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Greedy is like Ward, can’t stay healthy. Greedy had an “ok” rookie season but nothing special. Injuries aside I think he will be decent. They still got Money Mitchell as the 3rd option and I think the dude is better than Greedy
Greedy is like Ward, can’t stay healthy.
I agree.
I wasn't too impressed with him last year. But we probably have to throw out last year because everybody believed the hype and didn't work/prepare like they should have.
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Greedy is like Ward, can’t stay healthy. Greedy had an “ok” rookie season but nothing special. Injuries aside I think he will be decent. They still got Money Mitchell as the 3rd option and I think the dude is better than Greedy
Greedy is like Ward, can’t stay healthy. Greedy had an “ok” rookie season but nothing special. Injuries aside I think he will be decent. They still got Money Mitchell as the 3rd option and I think the dude is better than Greedy
"Stay healthy" the thing that separates super stars from the "good but" guys in tackle football.
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I thought teams went at him last year. He held his own sometimes and got beat others.
I think we can rule out that He’s no Justin Gilbert. I don’t think We can determine whether or not he has some Pro Bowl years ahead of himself.
there were games that I thought he came up and filled and tackled better than he played in coverage - which was supposed to be the opposite.
Anyone have his PFF number last year?
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I thought teams went at him last year. He held his own sometimes and got beat others.
I think we can rule out that He’s no Justin Gilbert. I don’t think We can determine whether or not he has some Pro Bowl years ahead of himself.
there were games that I thought he came up and filled and tackled better than he played in coverage - which was supposed to be the opposite.
Anyone have his PFF number last year?
I thought teams went at him last year. He held his own sometimes and got beat others.
I think we can rule out that He’s no Justin Gilbert. I don’t think We can determine whether or not he has some Pro Bowl years ahead of himself.
How was Justin Gilbert such a huge bust? He was terrible.
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I thought teams went at him last year. He held his own sometimes and got beat others.
I think we can rule out that He’s no Justin Gilbert. I don’t think We can determine whether or not he has some Pro Bowl years ahead of himself.
How was Justin Gilbert such a huge bust? He was terrible.
How was Justin Gilbert such a huge bust? He was terrible.
Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
Of course, he could have been talking about himself.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
Jokes on the Weedster... had the Browns bothered to ask me about him, they wouldn't have drafted him either.
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I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
Jokes on the Weedster... had the Browns bothered to ask me about him, they wouldn't have drafted him either.
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I never screamed louder at my TV set while watching a Jim O'Neil's browns defense.. no angles nor wrap tackling techs..we were the worst tackling team by miles..
till...Along came Gregg Williams.... Was the best tackling improvement I'd ever seen?
Along comes Steve Wilks....and were back to no heads around with ball in air & soft over pursuit arm tackling was back...
if Joe Woods has proven one thing? He took Talib/Harris & or R.Sherman... and a bunch of no name young DB's, to a top 5 unit in passing against/game...9'ers were ranked #1 last season while Robert Saleh took most the credit...but Joe Woods was the 9'ers secondary coach...
Woods has proven everywhere he can coach...Does Ward & Greedy & others want to accept the NFL coaching is a whole different thing?.. and maybe Ward did listen to Gregg Williams about "getting trucked in this league" ?
as for Greedy? he didn't seem to play scared when it came to breaking down & tackling...but with that frame? target taking the wheels out..
I never screamed louder at my TV set while watching a Jim O'Neil's browns defense.. no angles nor wrap tackling techs..we were the worst tackling team by miles..
till...Along came Gregg Williams.... Was the best tackling improvement I'd ever seen?
Along comes Steve Wilks....and were back to no heads around with ball in air & soft over pursuit arm tackling was back...
if Joe Woods has proven one thing? He took Talib/Harris & or R.Sherman... and a bunch of no name young DB's, to a top 5 unit in passing against/game...9'ers were ranked #1 last season while Robert Saleh took most the credit...but Joe Woods was the 9'ers secondary coach...
Woods has proven everywhere he can coach...Does Ward & Greedy & others want to accept the NFL coaching is a whole different thing?.. and maybe Ward did listen to Gregg Williams about "getting trucked in this league" ?
as for Greedy? he didn't seem to play scared when it came to breaking down & tackling...but with that frame? target taking the wheels out..
Yeah, way too many defenders with their heads down when O'Neil was here. To be honest though, when Bob Slowik was here as DC - I never gagged more than watching our corners forfeit every opportunity to compete with gigantic cushions.
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I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
Jokes on the Weedster... had the Browns bothered to ask me about him, they wouldn't have drafted him either.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
It's almost like he just didn't care enough to try. Maybe his rookie contract was so much $ to him, he thought he arrived just from that first contract. You'd think them dumping him to their arch rival would be a wake up call, but he was just as horrid in Pitt.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
It's almost like he just didn't care enough to try. Maybe his rookie contract was so much $ to him, he thought he arrived just from that first contract. You'd think them dumping him to their arch rival would be a wake up call, but he was just as horrid in Pitt.
It's almost like he just didn't care enough to try. Maybe his rookie contract was so much $ to him, he thought he arrived just from that first contract. You'd think them dumping him to their arch rival would be a wake up call, but he was just as horrid in Pitt.
Can we just say that he sucked all the way around.....and ask ourselves has any team in NFL history ever take 2 more useless pieces of shit in the first round than the Browns did that year?
I beg anyone to find such a circumstance.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
ugh...If Weeden could own you, you must really stink. I didn't like him from when he held out while everyone else got signed.
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It's almost like he just didn't care enough to try. Maybe his rookie contract was so much $ to him, he thought he arrived just from that first contract. You'd think them dumping him to their arch rival would be a wake up call, but he was just as horrid in Pitt.
Can we just say that he sucked all the way around.....and ask ourselves has any team in NFL history ever take 2 more useless pieces of shit in the first round than the Browns did that year?
I beg anyone to find such a circumstance.
Can we just say that he sucked all the way around.....and ask ourselves has any team in NFL history ever take 2 more useless pieces of shit in the first round than the Browns did that year?
I beg anyone to find such a circumstance.
Cripes, Gip, could you give a slightly easier challenge please? 1st of all, not many teams have 2 first round picks that high in one draft to begin with, so that alone really narrows the field. You'd probably most likely find an equal in futility from another Browns draft itself.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/draft.htm
2018 did have the Browns taking two 1st rounders, and let's assume Baker and Ward will not end up as bad as Gilbert and Manziel.
And even though they nabbed Myles in the 2017 draft, they had 2 other fist rounders in Peppers and Joke, and those picks are not looking like great 1st rounders at this point. Pep is gone, after doing very little and Joke hasn't done squat and is chirping to get out of town.
2016 yielded almost nothing but Schobert, in the entire draft class, 12 picks, TEN in the first 4 rounds. Insane to have that many high picks and get virtually nothing for their efforts.
2015 was almost as bad.
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