What are the chances Greedy turns out?
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The book on Greedy is he is good in man coverage. We didn't play much of that last year. I think he will be fine.
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Greedy is like Ward, can’t stay healthy. Greedy had an “ok” rookie season but nothing special. Injuries aside I think he will be decent. They still got Money Mitchell as the 3rd option and I think the dude is better than Greedy
Greedy is like Ward, can’t stay healthy.
I agree.
I wasn't too impressed with him last year. But we probably have to throw out last year because everybody believed the hype and didn't work/prepare like they should have.
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Greedy is like Ward, can’t stay healthy. Greedy had an “ok” rookie season but nothing special. Injuries aside I think he will be decent. They still got Money Mitchell as the 3rd option and I think the dude is better than Greedy
Greedy is like Ward, can’t stay healthy. Greedy had an “ok” rookie season but nothing special. Injuries aside I think he will be decent. They still got Money Mitchell as the 3rd option and I think the dude is better than Greedy
"Stay healthy" the thing that separates super stars from the "good but" guys in tackle football.
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I thought teams went at him last year. He held his own sometimes and got beat others.
I think we can rule out that He’s no Justin Gilbert. I don’t think We can determine whether or not he has some Pro Bowl years ahead of himself.
there were games that I thought he came up and filled and tackled better than he played in coverage - which was supposed to be the opposite.
Anyone have his PFF number last year?
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I thought teams went at him last year. He held his own sometimes and got beat others.
I think we can rule out that He’s no Justin Gilbert. I don’t think We can determine whether or not he has some Pro Bowl years ahead of himself.
there were games that I thought he came up and filled and tackled better than he played in coverage - which was supposed to be the opposite.
Anyone have his PFF number last year?
I thought teams went at him last year. He held his own sometimes and got beat others.
I think we can rule out that He’s no Justin Gilbert. I don’t think We can determine whether or not he has some Pro Bowl years ahead of himself.
How was Justin Gilbert such a huge bust? He was terrible.
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I thought teams went at him last year. He held his own sometimes and got beat others.
I think we can rule out that He’s no Justin Gilbert. I don’t think We can determine whether or not he has some Pro Bowl years ahead of himself.
How was Justin Gilbert such a huge bust? He was terrible.
How was Justin Gilbert such a huge bust? He was terrible.
Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
Of course, he could have been talking about himself.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
Jokes on the Weedster... had the Browns bothered to ask me about him, they wouldn't have drafted him either.
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I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
Jokes on the Weedster... had the Browns bothered to ask me about him, they wouldn't have drafted him either.
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I never screamed louder at my TV set while watching a Jim O'Neil's browns defense.. no angles nor wrap tackling techs..we were the worst tackling team by miles..
till...Along came Gregg Williams.... Was the best tackling improvement I'd ever seen?
Along comes Steve Wilks....and were back to no heads around with ball in air & soft over pursuit arm tackling was back...
if Joe Woods has proven one thing? He took Talib/Harris & or R.Sherman... and a bunch of no name young DB's, to a top 5 unit in passing against/game...9'ers were ranked #1 last season while Robert Saleh took most the credit...but Joe Woods was the 9'ers secondary coach...
Woods has proven everywhere he can coach...Does Ward & Greedy & others want to accept the NFL coaching is a whole different thing?.. and maybe Ward did listen to Gregg Williams about "getting trucked in this league" ?
as for Greedy? he didn't seem to play scared when it came to breaking down & tackling...but with that frame? target taking the wheels out..
I never screamed louder at my TV set while watching a Jim O'Neil's browns defense.. no angles nor wrap tackling techs..we were the worst tackling team by miles..
till...Along came Gregg Williams.... Was the best tackling improvement I'd ever seen?
Along comes Steve Wilks....and were back to no heads around with ball in air & soft over pursuit arm tackling was back...
if Joe Woods has proven one thing? He took Talib/Harris & or R.Sherman... and a bunch of no name young DB's, to a top 5 unit in passing against/game...9'ers were ranked #1 last season while Robert Saleh took most the credit...but Joe Woods was the 9'ers secondary coach...
Woods has proven everywhere he can coach...Does Ward & Greedy & others want to accept the NFL coaching is a whole different thing?.. and maybe Ward did listen to Gregg Williams about "getting trucked in this league" ?
as for Greedy? he didn't seem to play scared when it came to breaking down & tackling...but with that frame? target taking the wheels out..
Yeah, way too many defenders with their heads down when O'Neil was here. To be honest though, when Bob Slowik was here as DC - I never gagged more than watching our corners forfeit every opportunity to compete with gigantic cushions.
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I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
Jokes on the Weedster... had the Browns bothered to ask me about him, they wouldn't have drafted him either.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
It's almost like he just didn't care enough to try. Maybe his rookie contract was so much $ to him, he thought he arrived just from that first contract. You'd think them dumping him to their arch rival would be a wake up call, but he was just as horrid in Pitt.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
It's almost like he just didn't care enough to try. Maybe his rookie contract was so much $ to him, he thought he arrived just from that first contract. You'd think them dumping him to their arch rival would be a wake up call, but he was just as horrid in Pitt.
It's almost like he just didn't care enough to try. Maybe his rookie contract was so much $ to him, he thought he arrived just from that first contract. You'd think them dumping him to their arch rival would be a wake up call, but he was just as horrid in Pitt.
Can we just say that he sucked all the way around.....and ask ourselves has any team in NFL history ever take 2 more useless pieces of shit in the first round than the Browns did that year?
I beg anyone to find such a circumstance.
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Are you asking How...or Why. The How...you answered....he was terrible. The why is more of a mystery because he seemed to have the physical talent, but he completely had no heart or head for the game is my only guess.
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
I remember Brandon Weeden saying something along the lines of "Well, if the Browns had bothered to ask me about him, they probably wouldn't have drafted him..."
ugh...If Weeden could own you, you must really stink. I didn't like him from when he held out while everyone else got signed.
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It's almost like he just didn't care enough to try. Maybe his rookie contract was so much $ to him, he thought he arrived just from that first contract. You'd think them dumping him to their arch rival would be a wake up call, but he was just as horrid in Pitt.
Can we just say that he sucked all the way around.....and ask ourselves has any team in NFL history ever take 2 more useless pieces of shit in the first round than the Browns did that year?
I beg anyone to find such a circumstance.
Can we just say that he sucked all the way around.....and ask ourselves has any team in NFL history ever take 2 more useless pieces of shit in the first round than the Browns did that year?
I beg anyone to find such a circumstance.
Cripes, Gip, could you give a slightly easier challenge please? 1st of all, not many teams have 2 first round picks that high in one draft to begin with, so that alone really narrows the field. You'd probably most likely find an equal in futility from another Browns draft itself.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/draft.htm
2018 did have the Browns taking two 1st rounders, and let's assume Baker and Ward will not end up as bad as Gilbert and Manziel.
And even though they nabbed Myles in the 2017 draft, they had 2 other fist rounders in Peppers and Joke, and those picks are not looking like great 1st rounders at this point. Pep is gone, after doing very little and Joke hasn't done squat and is chirping to get out of town.
2016 yielded almost nothing but Schobert, in the entire draft class, 12 picks, TEN in the first 4 rounds. Insane to have that many high picks and get virtually nothing for their efforts.
2015 was almost as bad.
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Can we just say that he sucked all the way around.....and ask ourselves has any team in NFL history ever take 2 more useless pieces of shit in the first round than the Browns did that year?
I beg anyone to find such a circumstance.
Cripes, Gip, could you give a slightly easier challenge please? 1st of all, not many teams have 2 first round picks that high in one draft to begin with, so that alone really narrows the field. You'd probably most likely find an equal in futility from another Browns draft itself.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/draft.htm
2018 did have the Browns taking two 1st rounders, and let's assume Baker and Ward will not end up as bad as Gilbert and Manziel.
And even though they nabbed Myles in the 2017 draft, they had 2 other fist rounders in Peppers and Joke, and those picks are not looking like great 1st rounders at this point. Pep is gone, after doing very little and Joke hasn't done squat and is chirping to get out of town.
2016 yielded almost nothing but Schobert, in the entire draft class, 12 picks, TEN in the first 4 rounds. Insane to have that many high picks and get virtually nothing for their efforts.
2015 was almost as bad.
Cripes, Gip, could you give a slightly easier challenge please? 1st of all, not many teams have 2 first round picks that high in one draft to begin with, so that alone really narrows the field. You'd probably most likely find an equal in futility from another Browns draft itself.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/draft.htm
2018 did have the Browns taking two 1st rounders, and let's assume Baker and Ward will not end up as bad as Gilbert and Manziel.
And even though they nabbed Myles in the 2017 draft, they had 2 other fist rounders in Peppers and Joke, and those picks are not looking like great 1st rounders at this point. Pep is gone, after doing very little and Joke hasn't done squat and is chirping to get out of town.
2016 yielded almost nothing but Schobert, in the entire draft class, 12 picks, TEN in the first 4 rounds. Insane to have that many high picks and get virtually nothing for their efforts.
2015 was almost as bad.
Well, to answer the question....there IS in fact a Browns first round that was worse than the 2014 JFF/Gilbert first round.....but before I get to that, here are the other years in which the Browns had 2 first round picks:
2012 Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden. Not good at all, but not as bad as 2 years later
2007 Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn. If you draft one HOF and one bust....that is still a good round IMO
1994 Antonio Langham and Derrick Alexander. Two pretty decent players
1978 Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews......one HOF, and another that could/maybe should be. The best Browns first round ever.
1973 Steve Holden and Pete Adams. Two busts, probably the worst behind 2014 and they year I will describe later
1970 Mike Phipps and Bob McKay. Truly a below average round one..but there certainly have been worse
1962 Gary Collins and Leroy Jackson. Jackson was nothing, but Collins is one of the best WRs in Browns history
1952 Bert Reichechar and Harry Agannis. Agannis never played, but Reicharchar had about a 9 year if fairly average career
No...the year that is even worse than 2014?:
1954 The Browns took QB Bobby Garrett #1 overall and OT John Bauer #12 overall. Garrett played in a total 9 games in his career, never starting a one. And Bauer played in all of 2 games in his career in the NFL.
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Interesting historical study -- Instead of "Defense wins championships" perhaps the slogan should be revised to "A historically good defense can, on occasion, overcome a mediocre offense to win a championship, while a historically good offense has even less of a chance to overcome a mediocre defense to win a championship."
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Cripes, Gip, could you give a slightly easier challenge please? 1st of all, not many teams have 2 first round picks that high in one draft to begin with, so that alone really narrows the field. You'd probably most likely find an equal in futility from another Browns draft itself.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/draft.htm
2018 did have the Browns taking two 1st rounders, and let's assume Baker and Ward will not end up as bad as Gilbert and Manziel.
And even though they nabbed Myles in the 2017 draft, they had 2 other fist rounders in Peppers and Joke, and those picks are not looking like great 1st rounders at this point. Pep is gone, after doing very little and Joke hasn't done squat and is chirping to get out of town.
2016 yielded almost nothing but Schobert, in the entire draft class, 12 picks, TEN in the first 4 rounds. Insane to have that many high picks and get virtually nothing for their efforts.
2015 was almost as bad.
Well, to answer the question....there IS in fact a Browns first round that was worse than the 2014 JFF/Gilbert first round.....but before I get to that, here are the other years in which the Browns had 2 first round picks:
2012 Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden. Not good at all, but not as bad as 2 years later
2007 Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn. If you draft one HOF and one bust....that is still a good round IMO
1994 Antonio Langham and Derrick Alexander. Two pretty decent players
1978 Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews......one HOF, and another that could/maybe should be. The best Browns first round ever.
1973 Steve Holden and Pete Adams. Two busts, probably the worst behind 2014 and they year I will describe later
1970 Mike Phipps and Bob McKay. Truly a below average round one..but there certainly have been worse
1962 Gary Collins and Leroy Jackson. Jackson was nothing, but Collins is one of the best WRs in Browns history
1952 Bert Reichechar and Harry Agannis. Agannis never played, but Reicharchar had about a 9 year if fairly average career
No...the year that is even worse than 2014?:
1954 The Browns took QB Bobby Garrett #1 overall and OT John Bauer #12 overall. Garrett played in a total 9 games in his career, never starting a one. And Bauer played in all of 2 games in his career in the NFL.
Well, to answer the question....there IS in fact a Browns first round that was worse than the 2014 JFF/Gilbert first round.....but before I get to that, here are the other years in which the Browns had 2 first round picks:
2012 Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden. Not good at all, but not as bad as 2 years later
2007 Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn. If you draft one HOF and one bust....that is still a good round IMO
1994 Antonio Langham and Derrick Alexander. Two pretty decent players
1978 Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews......one HOF, and another that could/maybe should be. The best Browns first round ever.
1973 Steve Holden and Pete Adams. Two busts, probably the worst behind 2014 and they year I will describe later
1970 Mike Phipps and Bob McKay. Truly a below average round one..but there certainly have been worse
1962 Gary Collins and Leroy Jackson. Jackson was nothing, but Collins is one of the best WRs in Browns history
1952 Bert Reichechar and Harry Agannis. Agannis never played, but Reicharchar had about a 9 year if fairly average career
No...the year that is even worse than 2014?:
1954 The Browns took QB Bobby Garrett #1 overall and OT John Bauer #12 overall. Garrett played in a total 9 games in his career, never starting a one. And Bauer played in all of 2 games in his career in the NFL.
Sadly, usually a team with two 1st round picks is generally a horrible team. And then to blow those high picks....what a giant obstacle. And, wow...Trent and Weed...what a bad, bad waste.
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