Seibert waived, Parkey elevated to 53 man roster
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Aweful move. Baker misses 20 passes and he is the starter, this guy misses 2 kicks on the first game after a good rookie season and he gets waived?
I would have given him at least 1 more game.
Looks like a scapegoat to me.
Aweful move. Baker misses 20 passes and he is the starter, this guy misses 2 kicks on the first game after a good rookie season and he gets waived?
I would have given him at least 1 more game.
Looks like a scapegoat to me.
Dorsey pick. I think Berry would like to get rid of as many as he can
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any Phil Dawson fans? he's moved his family from Texas to Tennessee. Joining Trent Dilfer's HS coaching staff.. Now coaching one of his sons
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Aweful move. Baker misses 20 passes and he is the starter, this guy misses 2 kicks on the first game after a good rookie season and he gets waived?
I would have given him at least 1 more game.
Looks like a scapegoat to me.
Aweful move. Baker misses 20 passes and he is the starter, this guy misses 2 kicks on the first game after a good rookie season and he gets waived?
I would have given him at least 1 more game.
Looks like a scapegoat to me.
Bengals should fire their kicker too, missed a last second one that would have sent the game into OT....
It was the timing that tells the story. They brought these guys in just days before roster cuts. They'd been watching Seibert since the beginning of camp. And then after cuts they signed a kicker to the PS. Ya don't see a lot of that....but perhaps it's a good idea. Stash a K there in case yours gets the yips.
He was a 5th round pick. Must have had good college numbers. But he was somebody else's view of a 5th round pick. Berry could argue, "I would never have used a 5th round pick on him". (in theory)
To me, everything pointed to a short leash. I wasn't surprised. Does it suck that we don't have 'our kicker' by now? Sure. (some are no longer sure that we have our QB)
I, along with a great many, soured badly on Parkey after he lost us that game against Miami (as Flugel points out). He missed several kicks over his time with us. I didn't crush them for spending the 5th rounder because I too wanted a 'good' kicker. Now, as I said, I've soured on Siebert, so as my punishment I get Parkey back.
Siebert didn't have just "good" college numbers- he had "great" college numbers. Won the Groza award as the best college kicker..... Gone the way of another College kicking phenom Martin Grammatica, who was drafted even higher.....
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The more I think of it, the less I like it.
If it is because it's a "Dorsey pick", I would show Berry (and Stefanski, if he is involved) the circus of names we have had as GMs ans HCs so they stop trying to mark their territory and think about their own positions.
If you make a change, you do it for the better. You have a good consistent kicker who missed the incredible amount of 2 kicks in his first game of his second season in a 32 point loss, and you bring back Parkey who 2 years ago missed a game winner for Chicago in the infamous double doink. Parkey was in PS for a reason, wanna know the reason? He was considered not good enough for the 53 man roster of all 32 TEAMS.
The amount of duds the Browns have gone through in different positions should let you know that we are not the fucking 6 SB Patriots, so you shouldn't get ahead of yourself when you're more than one kicker away of having a good team.
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Aweful move. Baker misses 20 passes and he is the starter, this guy misses 2 kicks on the first game after a good rookie season and he gets waived?
I would have given him at least 1 more game.
Looks like a scapegoat to me.
Bengals should fire their kicker too, missed a last second one that would have sent the game into OT....
It was the timing that tells the story. They brought these guys in just days before roster cuts. They'd been watching Seibert since the beginning of camp. And then after cuts they signed a kicker to the PS. Ya don't see a lot of that....but perhaps it's a good idea. Stash a K there in case yours gets the yips.
He was a 5th round pick. Must have had good college numbers. But he was somebody else's view of a 5th round pick. Berry could argue, "I would never have used a 5th round pick on him". (in theory)
To me, everything pointed to a short leash. I wasn't surprised. Does it suck that we don't have 'our kicker' by now? Sure. (some are no longer sure that we have our QB)
I, along with a great many, soured badly on Parkey after he lost us that game against Miami (as Flugel points out). He missed several kicks over his time with us. I didn't crush them for spending the 5th rounder because I too wanted a 'good' kicker. Now, as I said, I've soured on Siebert, so as my punishment I get Parkey back.
Siebert didn't have just "good" college numbers- he had "great" college numbers. Won the Groza award as the best college kicker..... Gone the way of another College kicking phenom Martin Grammatica, who was drafted even higher.....
Bengals should fire their kicker too, missed a last second one that would have sent the game into OT....
Siebert didn't have just "good" college numbers- he had "great" college numbers. Won the Groza award as the best college kicker..... Gone the way of another College kicking phenom Martin Grammatica, who was drafted even higher.....
Do you know who else won the Lou Groza Award? Zane Gonzalez in 2016. The Browns cut him after 2 games in 2018, which means he only lasted 18 games (just 1 more than Seibert).
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Bengals should fire their kicker too, missed a last second one that would have sent the game into OT....
Siebert didn't have just "good" college numbers- he had "great" college numbers. Won the Groza award as the best college kicker..... Gone the way of another College kicking phenom Martin Grammatica, who was drafted even higher.....
Do you know who else won the Lou Groza Award? Zane Gonzalez in 2016. The Browns cut him after 2 games in 2018, which means he only lasted 18 games (just 1 more than Seibert).
Do you know who else won the Lou Groza Award? Zane Gonzalez in 2016. The Browns cut him after 2 games in 2018, which means he only lasted 18 games (just 1 more than Seibert).
He had a wayyyy worse rookie season. And he missed like 5 fg in 2 games.
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Zane Gonzalez also went 31-35 last year with only one missed XP. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GonzZa00.htm
Kickers are about as fickle as relievers in baseball.
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I wonder how good Phil Dawsons rookie season was...
8/12 with one missed XP. Not to mention he had a two below 80% FG pct years after that in random years.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/dawsophi01.htm
I think they gave up on both Gonzalez and Seibert too quickly. Kicking in the NFL is a completely different animal to kicking in college.
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Zane Gonzalez also went 31-35 last year with only one missed XP. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GonzZa00.htm
Kickers are about as fickle as relievers in baseball.
Zane Gonzalez also went 31-35 last year with only one missed XP. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GonzZa00.htm
Kickers are about as fickle as relievers in baseball.
Gostkowski had two missed FGs, another blocked and an extra point missed last night for the Titans. Pulled his bacon out of the fire with a chip shot FG to win the game at the end over Denver. He looked like he came from a funeral to attend a wedding all in one night. It was a nightmare since all 4 screwups were back to back to back to back.
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He had a wayyyy worse rookie season. And he missed like 5 fg in 2 games.
If you calm down for a second - I was comparing 2 guys with a lot of promise we cut prematurely IMO. The alternative is to coach em up so we get the Zane Gonzalez that makes 31 of his 35 FG attempts in 2019 rather than cut him after 18 games.
I was NOT excited Parkey is the solution.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Bengals claimed Seibert.
Get ready for him to hit a game winning kick
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He had a wayyyy worse rookie season. And he missed like 5 fg in 2 games.
If you calm down for a second - I was comparing 2 guys with a lot of promise we cut prematurely IMO. The alternative is to coach em up so we get the Zane Gonzalez that makes 31 of his 35 FG attempts in 2019 rather than cut him after 18 games.
I was NOT excited Parkey is the solution.
If you calm down for a second - I was comparing 2 guys with a lot of promise we cut prematurely IMO. The alternative is to coach em up so we get the Zane Gonzalez that makes 31 of his 35 FG attempts in 2019 rather than cut him after 18 games.
I was NOT excited Parkey is the solution.
I thought Zane was promising on his first season, because as it went down he started kicking better and did well in winter IIRC. I'm not calming down, we're talking about one of the only 2 players who kick the ball in American FOOTball and I am a Spaniard
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That's way we are a part of the factory sadness.
Losing is disease, as contagious as syphilis...
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If you calm down for a second - I was comparing 2 guys with a lot of promise we cut prematurely IMO. The alternative is to coach em up so we get the Zane Gonzalez that makes 31 of his 35 FG attempts in 2019 rather than cut him after 18 games.
I was NOT excited Parkey is the solution.
I thought Zane was promising on his first season, because as it went down he started kicking better and did well in winter IIRC. I'm not calming down, we're talking about one of the only 2 players who kick the ball in American FOOTball and I am a Spaniard
I'm not calming down, we're talking about one of the only 2 players who kick the ball in American FOOTball and I am a Spaniard
? Fair enough! I only wanted a quick exhale from you.
I'm still kind of baffled by it myself. I'm gonna speak fluent Calfox here and say the poor guy got Parkey-Parksies for Cody Parkey. That's like a RB getting cut today; and then the team that cut him signs Trent Richardson.
Seibert had a great year in 2019 making 25 of 29 FG attempts. The thing that puzzled me about him was as good as he was with the FGs - how does the same guy miss 5 extra point attempts? And then he began this year missing another. Again, how about the STs coach finding the flawed mechanic responsible for something that should be correctable in lieu of the knee jerk reaction?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'm not calming down, we're talking about one of the only 2 players who kick the ball in American FOOTball and I am a Spaniard
? Fair enough! I only wanted a quick exhale from you.
I'm still kind of baffled by it myself. I'm gonna speak fluent Calfox here and say the poor guy got Parkey-Parksies for Cody Parkey. That's like a RB getting cut today; and then the team that cut him signs Trent Richardson.
Seibert had a great year in 2019 making 25 of 29 FG attempts. The thing that puzzled me about him was as good as he was with the FGs - how does the same guy miss 5 extra point attempts? And then he began this year missing another. Again, how about the STs coach finding the flawed mechanic responsible for something that should be correctable in lieu of the knee jerk reaction?
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I'm not calming down, we're talking about one of the only 2 players who kick the ball in American FOOTball and I am a Spaniard
? Fair enough! I only wanted a quick exhale from you.
I'm still kind of baffled by it myself. I'm gonna speak fluent Calfox here and say the poor guy got Parkey-Parksies for Cody Parkey. That's like a RB getting cut today; and then the team that cut him signs Trent Richardson.
Seibert had a great year in 2019 making 25 of 29 FG attempts. The thing that puzzled me about him was as good as he was with the FGs - how does the same guy miss 5 extra point attempts? And then he began this year missing another. Again, how about the STs coach finding the flawed mechanic responsible for something that should be correctable in lieu of the knee jerk reaction?
how about the STs coach finding the flawed mechanic responsible for something that should be correctable in lieu of the knee jerk reaction?
I keep going back to them bringing in a bunch of kickers for the last few days of TC.
...and I would assume that the ST coach, who was with Seibert all TC, had some input...at least I would hope so.
Is it a bad move? If so, we'll add it to the ever-growing list.
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@flugel said:
The last few days of training camp? If he was such a concern, why would they wait until the last few days of training camp to bring in a bunch of kickers that couldn't beat him out? Again, we're talking about a guy that made 25 of 29 FGs last year so what changed so much we cut him for Cody Parkey?
As Paul Harvey would say...."Now for the REST of the story"...
He also made 25 of 30 PATs last year & missed his one & only PAT attempt THIS year.
This isn't a Parkey endorsement, just a more complete look at Seibert's performance.
Mike
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@flugel said:
The last few days of training camp? If he was such a concern, why would they wait until the last few days of training camp to bring in a bunch of kickers that couldn't beat him out? Again, we're talking about a guy that made 25 of 29 FGs last year so what changed so much we cut him for Cody Parkey?
As Paul Harvey would say...."Now for the REST of the story"...
He also made 25 of 30 PATs last year & missed his one & only PAT attempt THIS year.
This isn't a Parkey endorsement, just a more complete look at Seibert's performance.
Mike
As Paul Harvey would say...."Now for the REST of the story"...
He also made 25 of 30 PATs last year & missed his one & only PAT attempt THIS year.
This isn't a Parkey endorsement, just a more complete look at Seibert's performance.
Mike
Sometimes the rest of the story was already covered in the flow of discussion you didn't read. I already mentioned the missed extra points in the 1st post of page 2 of this thread. Here's a cut and paste:
Seibert had a great year in 2019 making 25 of 29 FG attempts. The thing that puzzled me about him was as good as he was with the FGs - how does the same guy miss 5 extra point attempts? And then he began this year missing another. Again, how about the STs coach finding the flawed mechanic responsible for something that should be correctable in lieu of the knee jerk reaction?
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