PLUTO GIVING GREAT INSIGHT
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Quinn waited a year and a half to get his chance to have some substantial playing timein the regular season. He probably could have had a full-out broken hand and tried to tough it out.
I don't blame either guy for playing with an injury. They don't want to give up their chances.
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Masters said:
Only when you leave out the rest of the sentence "You can put an asterisk next to the numbers because: A) He played only 10 quarters, a small sample.
He had a broken finger on his throwing hand for at least three of those quarters."Clearly a indication BQ is self centered and put his selfish desire to play above the needs of the team.
If his broken finger was hampering his ability to throw, he was hurting the team by remaining on the field when there were healthy players behind him.
That isn't leadership. That is called hurting your teams chance to win.
I am very serious when I say that.
Clearly a indication BQ is self centered and put his selfish desire to play above the needs of the team.
If his broken finger was hampering his ability to throw, he was hurting the team by remaining on the field when there were healthy players behind him.
That isn't leadership. That is called hurting your teams chance to win.
I am very serious when I say that.
I simply ask this, how much better did CLE's offense fair after the broken finger finally forced BQ back out of the starting spot?
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@hiwaygal said:
Fair enough...does that also apply to Derek Anderson playing when he had a concussion?And not trying to make excuses, but when Brady's finger was injured, didn't Derek already have an injury and couldn't play? The next in line was Dorsey? I think at that point, playing with the broken finger probably WAS the better chance to win.
With a concussion, the player may not know he has a problem. That is the coaches job to see if his qb is here with us or in some foggy place.
As for the injury...I seem to recall Anderson being injured after Quinn went down.
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Masters said:
Only when you leave out the rest of the sentence "You can put an asterisk next to the numbers because: A) He played only 10 quarters, a small sample. He had a broken finger on his throwing hand for at least three of those quarters."Clearly a indication BQ is self centered and put his selfish desire to play above the needs of the team.
If his broken finger was hampering his ability to throw, he was hurting the team by remaining on the field when there were healthy players behind him.
That isn't leadership. That is called hurting your teams chance to win.
I am very serious when I say that.
Clearly a indication BQ is self centered and put his selfish desire to play above the needs of the team.
If his broken finger was hampering his ability to throw, he was hurting the team by remaining on the field when there were healthy players behind him.
That isn't leadership. That is called hurting your teams chance to win.
I am very serious when I say that.
Ehh, I think it was more a football player's mentality to suck it up and go. I can't stand when guys don't play hurt. Maybe it didn't work out, but I like the approach.
Quinn's NFL #'s continue to be statistically unusable. Pluto mentions this. DA's #'s are mathematically and statistically rock solid, and they are trending downward.
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@hiwaygal said:
Fair enough...does that also apply to Derek Anderson playing when he had a concussion?And not trying to make excuses, but when Brady's finger was injured, didn't Derek already have an injury and couldn't play? The next in line was Dorsey? I think at that point, playing with the broken finger probably WAS the better chance to win.
With a concussion, the player may not know he has a problem. That is the coaches job to see if his qb is here with us or in some foggy place.
As for the injury...I seem to recall Anderson being injured after Quinn went down.
With a concussion, the player may not know he has a problem. That is the coaches job to see if his qb is here with us or in some foggy place.
As for the injury...I seem to recall Anderson being injured after Quinn went down.
Actually, his concussion was to START the season. So he definitely was hurt with BQ on the bench.
But personally I think the injury thing is a bunch of malarky. There isn't a single player out there that doesn't play injured at least a couple of games every year. Jamal Lewis had his ankle last year....Winslow was walking wounded....Cribbs had his ribs...Steinbach his back...and the list goes on...and each of them played at least 2-3 games with those injuries.
It is the coaches job to monitor that and to pull a player too injured to play. So, in Brady's and DA's cases...they determined that they could go.
Anyway...I personally don't care who starts...but 27 games with below a 55% completion rate on passes less than 10 yards is definitely a pattern...not a fluke.
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Peens is becoming the softcore version of da ich.
I like it!!!
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@jadbf said:
And the coaches should have seen in practice that the finger really was affecting Quinn's throwing motion.But I agree with you. I'm not sure anderson with a concussion is any different than Anderson without one...so it would be tough for him to tell.
LOL....funny joke.....but you know what I am saying about a concussion is true..
As for the suck it up and play...I agree to a degree. It just depends on who it is and what is hurt.
Broken fingers and throwing aren't a good mix.
That said, I am sure BQ will get his shot this season though I don't have any high hopes. My feeling is our QB isn't yet on the roster.
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@jadbf said:
And the coaches should have seen in practice that the finger really was affecting Quinn's throwing motion.But I agree with you. I'm not sure anderson with a concussion is any different than Anderson without one...so it would be tough for him to tell.
LOL....funny joke.....but you know what I am saying about a concussion is true..
As for the suck it up and play...I agree to a degree. It just depends on who it is and what is hurt.
Broken fingers and throwing aren't a good mix.
That said, I am sure BQ will get his shot this season though I don't have any high hopes. My feeling is our QB isn't yet on the roster.
LOL....funny joke.....but you know what I am saying about a concussion is true..
As for the suck it up and play...I agree to a degree. It just depends on who it is and what is hurt.
Broken fingers and throwing aren't a good mix.
That said, I am sure BQ will get his shot this season though I don't have any high hopes. My feeling is our QB isn't yet on the roster.
I guess thats a better approach to take than proclaiming BQ our savior. At least when you're wrong in this scenario you'll happily eat crow.
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peen, your point in this thread is really disappointing. Its really childish to be honest.
Let me get this straight: you are going to call a football player selfish for trying to play through an injury? I guess you're right. That NEVER happens.
Better yet, you're going call Quinn selfish but not hold DA to the same standard because "he didn't know he was injured"? Seriously?
You've lost it my friend. My advice here: stop posting in this thread.
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That said, I am sure BQ will get his shot this season though I don't have any high hopes. My feeling is our QB isn't yet on the roster.
Yeah, because we aren't yet in a spread offense.
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Why would I eat crow?? I am not proclaiming anyone a bust or a great player. I am simply trying to balance those who hate Anderson and seem to think Quinn is great.
I don't say much to Lum because he is the only one and there are enough of you to keep him in check.
I suppose Riff is right...I am a bit like Rich...it is what happens when you have watched a suck ass football team long enough.
It doesn't mean i don't like them as much as anybody else. I simply don't have much ra ra left.
Just win. That is all i care about. Just win.
Speaking of Rich....where has he been?? I am in his FBL..I guess I can ask him.
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Which brings us to Brady Quinn.
He was only 31-of-57 (54.4) on those short passes last season.
Which brings back to "if you have two QB's, you don't have a QB"
This post didn't deserve it's own thread, throw it back into the mix with the other goo-goo eyed Brady Queen glorified posts.
... and we are also back to Zippys, "JUST DO SOMETHING" statement. If Queen starts, it's by default ... nothing to shoot off guns in the air like an Afghani over.
(Please excuse Riffer, as he has the doggone sniffles this week and has to work long hours)
... and we are also back to Zippys, "JUST DO SOMETHING" statement.
I agree with that statement. We don't want a default winner.
But I don't get how you can watch that first pre-season game and say Quinn didn't "JUST DO SOMETHING." Realistically, he drove the team down the field two times and led two scoring drives. If you're being realistic, that's what he did. Even the most notable Quinn guys on this board like Shep would give Anderson credit for a TD on that Braylon drop had he thrown it instead of Quinn.
And also being realistic, DA did nothing but shoot himself in the foot in his limited attempts.
It's silly to claim that we scored no points so no QB made a move last week, just silly. Amateur, in fact. It's a team game. And before you go saying that all of "BQ nation goes blaming DA for all of the team's troubles when he is the starter..." that's just wrong. Braylon Edwards nearly got booed out of the stadium last year because people realized the drops weren't DA's fault.
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My advice here: stop posting in this thread.
Not sure if I should ask "Why", "or what"??
I haven't lost it.
You can twist it anyway you want.
I have considered the advice, and thank you for it, but I will have to reject it.
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... and we are also back to Zippys, "JUST DO SOMETHING" statement.
I agree with that statement. We don't want a default winner.
But I don't get how you can watch that first pre-season game and say Quinn didn't "JUST DO SOMETHING." Realistically, he drove the team down the field two times and led two scoring drives. If you're being realistic, that's what he did. Even the most notable Quinn guys on this board like Shep would give Anderson credit for a TD on that Braylon drop had he thrown it instead of Quinn.
And also being realistic, DA did nothing but shoot himself in the foot in his limited attempts.
It's silly to claim that we scored no points so no QB made a move last week, just silly. Amateur, in fact. It's a team game. And before you go saying that all of "BQ nation goes blaming DA for all of the team's troubles when he is the starter..." that's just wrong. Braylon Edwards nearly got booed out of the stadium last year because people realized the drops weren't DA's fault.
I agree with that statement. We don't want a default winner.
But I don't get how you can watch that first pre-season game and say Quinn didn't "JUST DO SOMETHING." Realistically, he drove the team down the field two times and led two scoring drives. If you're being realistic, that's what he did. Even the most notable Quinn guys on this board like Shep would give Anderson credit for a TD on that Braylon drop had he thrown it instead of Quinn.
And also being realistic, DA did nothing but shoot himself in the foot in his limited attempts.
It's silly to claim that we scored no points so no QB made a move last week, just silly. Amateur, in fact. It's a team game. And before you go saying that all of "BQ nation goes blaming DA for all of the team's troubles when he is the starter... that's just wrong. Braylon Edwards nearly got booed out of the stadium last year because people realized the drops weren't DA's fault.
I agree with that. Quinn did move the team and Anderson didn't.
We go through the same deal in a couple of days. Unless Quinn falters and Anderson excels, the answer will be had. If not, we have to drag it out another week.
I agree with Mangini...I don't think it is all that critical at this point to get behind one or the other. It would be preferred, but it isn't going to create a big problem if it goes on another week or so.
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Masters said:
Only when you leave out the rest of the sentence "You can put an asterisk next to the numbers because: A) He played only 10 quarters, a small sample. He had a broken finger on his throwing hand for at least three of those quarters."Clearly a indication BQ is self centered and put his selfish desire to play above the needs of the team.
If his broken finger was hampering his ability to throw, he was hurting the team by remaining on the field when there were healthy players behind him.
That isn't leadership. That is called hurting your teams chance to win.
I am very serious when I say that.
Clearly a indication BQ is self centered and put his selfish desire to play above the needs of the team.
If his broken finger was hampering his ability to throw, he was hurting the team by remaining on the field when there were healthy players behind him.
That isn't leadership. That is called hurting your teams chance to win.
I am very serious when I say that.
Not when the guys behind you are DA (benched because of poor performance), and Ken Dorsey.
Who gives the team a better chance to win? Quinn with a broken finger or Ken Dorsey? We all see how many games DA won after his triumphant return.
I am very serious when I say that.
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It's not rooting against DA, it's knowing he's not the answer and maybe Queen is.
Seriously, WTF is so hard to understand about that? So I'm hoping DA looks just good enough in camp to beat out Quinn and suckass again?
Where's Flugs at, I need him to write out my diatribe on this cuz I don't have time being at work and on my sickbed and all.
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You know, I generally like Pluto better than the other talking head pundits, but even he is having a hard time angling for a story on this dead horse topic. The problem I have with this article is, he tries to come of factual, but the only true facts you can take away from the article are:
• Anderson's short pass completion percentage last year was 54.2; Quinn's was 54.4.
• Two years separate the two in age. (Well, they're actually only 16 months apart in age, but who's counting...besides Pluto.)
If you're trying to make a case for one guy being clearly ahead of the other, these stats sure aren't accomplishing that.
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You know, I generally like Pluto better than the other talking head pundits, but even he is having a hard time angling for a story on this dead horse topic. The problem I have with this article is, he tries to come of factual, but the only true facts you can take away from the article are:
• Anderson's short pass completion percentage last year was 54.2; Quinn's was 54.4.
• Two years separate the two in age. (Well, they're actually only 16 months apart in age, but who's counting...besides Pluto.)
If you're trying to make a case for one guy being clearly ahead of the other, these stats sure aren't accomplishing that.
You know, I generally like Pluto better than the other talking head pundits, but even he is having a hard time angling for a story on this dead horse topic. The problem I have with this article is, he tries to come of factual, but the only true facts you can take away from the article are:
• Anderson's short pass completion percentage last year was 54.2; Quinn's was 54.4.
• Two years separate the two in age. (Well, they're actually only 16 months apart in age, but who's counting...besides Pluto.)
If you're trying to make a case for one guy being clearly ahead of the other, these stats sure aren't accomplishing that.
Read the sentence right after Quinn's percentage. You got a sampling of 10 quarters of play vs. a whole lot more attempts. The real point Pluto is making is the trend with DA.
Two years separate them in age on the planet, but 25+ NFL starts and 2 years of being in the NFL do separate them in NFL age/experience.
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Who gives the team a better chance to win? Quinn with a broken finger or Ken Dorsey?
Neither??
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