PLUTO GIVING GREAT INSIGHT
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@jadbf said:
And the coaches should have seen in practice that the finger really was affecting Quinn's throwing motion.But I agree with you. I'm not sure anderson with a concussion is any different than Anderson without one...so it would be tough for him to tell.
LOL....funny joke.....but you know what I am saying about a concussion is true..
As for the suck it up and play...I agree to a degree. It just depends on who it is and what is hurt.
Broken fingers and throwing aren't a good mix.
That said, I am sure BQ will get his shot this season though I don't have any high hopes. My feeling is our QB isn't yet on the roster.
LOL....funny joke.....but you know what I am saying about a concussion is true..
As for the suck it up and play...I agree to a degree. It just depends on who it is and what is hurt.
Broken fingers and throwing aren't a good mix.
That said, I am sure BQ will get his shot this season though I don't have any high hopes. My feeling is our QB isn't yet on the roster.
I guess thats a better approach to take than proclaiming BQ our savior. At least when you're wrong in this scenario you'll happily eat crow.
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peen, your point in this thread is really disappointing. Its really childish to be honest.
Let me get this straight: you are going to call a football player selfish for trying to play through an injury? I guess you're right. That NEVER happens.
Better yet, you're going call Quinn selfish but not hold DA to the same standard because "he didn't know he was injured"? Seriously?
You've lost it my friend. My advice here: stop posting in this thread.
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That said, I am sure BQ will get his shot this season though I don't have any high hopes. My feeling is our QB isn't yet on the roster.
Yeah, because we aren't yet in a spread offense.
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Why would I eat crow?? I am not proclaiming anyone a bust or a great player. I am simply trying to balance those who hate Anderson and seem to think Quinn is great.
I don't say much to Lum because he is the only one and there are enough of you to keep him in check.
I suppose Riff is right...I am a bit like Rich...it is what happens when you have watched a suck ass football team long enough.
It doesn't mean i don't like them as much as anybody else. I simply don't have much ra ra left.
Just win. That is all i care about. Just win.
Speaking of Rich....where has he been?? I am in his FBL..I guess I can ask him.
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Which brings us to Brady Quinn.
He was only 31-of-57 (54.4) on those short passes last season.
Which brings back to "if you have two QB's, you don't have a QB"
This post didn't deserve it's own thread, throw it back into the mix with the other goo-goo eyed Brady Queen glorified posts.
... and we are also back to Zippys, "JUST DO SOMETHING" statement. If Queen starts, it's by default ... nothing to shoot off guns in the air like an Afghani over.
(Please excuse Riffer, as he has the doggone sniffles this week and has to work long hours)
... and we are also back to Zippys, "JUST DO SOMETHING" statement.
I agree with that statement. We don't want a default winner.
But I don't get how you can watch that first pre-season game and say Quinn didn't "JUST DO SOMETHING." Realistically, he drove the team down the field two times and led two scoring drives. If you're being realistic, that's what he did. Even the most notable Quinn guys on this board like Shep would give Anderson credit for a TD on that Braylon drop had he thrown it instead of Quinn.
And also being realistic, DA did nothing but shoot himself in the foot in his limited attempts.
It's silly to claim that we scored no points so no QB made a move last week, just silly. Amateur, in fact. It's a team game. And before you go saying that all of "BQ nation goes blaming DA for all of the team's troubles when he is the starter..." that's just wrong. Braylon Edwards nearly got booed out of the stadium last year because people realized the drops weren't DA's fault.
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My advice here: stop posting in this thread.
Not sure if I should ask "Why", "or what"??
I haven't lost it.
You can twist it anyway you want.
I have considered the advice, and thank you for it, but I will have to reject it.
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... and we are also back to Zippys, "JUST DO SOMETHING" statement.
I agree with that statement. We don't want a default winner.
But I don't get how you can watch that first pre-season game and say Quinn didn't "JUST DO SOMETHING." Realistically, he drove the team down the field two times and led two scoring drives. If you're being realistic, that's what he did. Even the most notable Quinn guys on this board like Shep would give Anderson credit for a TD on that Braylon drop had he thrown it instead of Quinn.
And also being realistic, DA did nothing but shoot himself in the foot in his limited attempts.
It's silly to claim that we scored no points so no QB made a move last week, just silly. Amateur, in fact. It's a team game. And before you go saying that all of "BQ nation goes blaming DA for all of the team's troubles when he is the starter..." that's just wrong. Braylon Edwards nearly got booed out of the stadium last year because people realized the drops weren't DA's fault.
I agree with that statement. We don't want a default winner.
But I don't get how you can watch that first pre-season game and say Quinn didn't "JUST DO SOMETHING." Realistically, he drove the team down the field two times and led two scoring drives. If you're being realistic, that's what he did. Even the most notable Quinn guys on this board like Shep would give Anderson credit for a TD on that Braylon drop had he thrown it instead of Quinn.
And also being realistic, DA did nothing but shoot himself in the foot in his limited attempts.
It's silly to claim that we scored no points so no QB made a move last week, just silly. Amateur, in fact. It's a team game. And before you go saying that all of "BQ nation goes blaming DA for all of the team's troubles when he is the starter... that's just wrong. Braylon Edwards nearly got booed out of the stadium last year because people realized the drops weren't DA's fault.
I agree with that. Quinn did move the team and Anderson didn't.
We go through the same deal in a couple of days. Unless Quinn falters and Anderson excels, the answer will be had. If not, we have to drag it out another week.
I agree with Mangini...I don't think it is all that critical at this point to get behind one or the other. It would be preferred, but it isn't going to create a big problem if it goes on another week or so.
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Masters said:
Only when you leave out the rest of the sentence "You can put an asterisk next to the numbers because: A) He played only 10 quarters, a small sample.
He had a broken finger on his throwing hand for at least three of those quarters."Clearly a indication BQ is self centered and put his selfish desire to play above the needs of the team.
If his broken finger was hampering his ability to throw, he was hurting the team by remaining on the field when there were healthy players behind him.
That isn't leadership. That is called hurting your teams chance to win.
I am very serious when I say that.
Clearly a indication BQ is self centered and put his selfish desire to play above the needs of the team.
If his broken finger was hampering his ability to throw, he was hurting the team by remaining on the field when there were healthy players behind him.
That isn't leadership. That is called hurting your teams chance to win.
I am very serious when I say that.
Not when the guys behind you are DA (benched because of poor performance), and Ken Dorsey.
Who gives the team a better chance to win? Quinn with a broken finger or Ken Dorsey? We all see how many games DA won after his triumphant return.
I am very serious when I say that.
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It's not rooting against DA, it's knowing he's not the answer and maybe Queen is.
Seriously, WTF is so hard to understand about that? So I'm hoping DA looks just good enough in camp to beat out Quinn and suckass again?
Where's Flugs at, I need him to write out my diatribe on this cuz I don't have time being at work and on my sickbed and all.
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You know, I generally like Pluto better than the other talking head pundits, but even he is having a hard time angling for a story on this dead horse topic. The problem I have with this article is, he tries to come of factual, but the only true facts you can take away from the article are:
• Anderson's short pass completion percentage last year was 54.2; Quinn's was 54.4.
• Two years separate the two in age. (Well, they're actually only 16 months apart in age, but who's counting...besides Pluto.)
If you're trying to make a case for one guy being clearly ahead of the other, these stats sure aren't accomplishing that.
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You know, I generally like Pluto better than the other talking head pundits, but even he is having a hard time angling for a story on this dead horse topic. The problem I have with this article is, he tries to come of factual, but the only true facts you can take away from the article are:
• Anderson's short pass completion percentage last year was 54.2; Quinn's was 54.4.
• Two years separate the two in age. (Well, they're actually only 16 months apart in age, but who's counting...besides Pluto.)
If you're trying to make a case for one guy being clearly ahead of the other, these stats sure aren't accomplishing that.
You know, I generally like Pluto better than the other talking head pundits, but even he is having a hard time angling for a story on this dead horse topic. The problem I have with this article is, he tries to come of factual, but the only true facts you can take away from the article are:
• Anderson's short pass completion percentage last year was 54.2; Quinn's was 54.4.
• Two years separate the two in age. (Well, they're actually only 16 months apart in age, but who's counting...besides Pluto.)
If you're trying to make a case for one guy being clearly ahead of the other, these stats sure aren't accomplishing that.
Read the sentence right after Quinn's percentage. You got a sampling of 10 quarters of play vs. a whole lot more attempts. The real point Pluto is making is the trend with DA.
Two years separate them in age on the planet, but 25+ NFL starts and 2 years of being in the NFL do separate them in NFL age/experience.
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Who gives the team a better chance to win? Quinn with a broken finger or Ken Dorsey?
Neither??
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Zombo said:
We knew accuracy on the short (and mid-range) passes was Anderson's achilles heel coming into this ... I stated many times in the offseason that it's a tough thing to suddenly correct, which is why I gave the edge to Quinn: Not because he's fiery, has big muscles, aced the wonderlic or looks good above Rif's sickbed (just above the Puffies and the inhaler) ... but because of more accurate passing.The fact that Anderson is still showing the same tendencies and Quinn still has not beat him out ... is troubling.
It's because Brady Quinn hasn't done enough yet. I repeat my mantra: we love you Brady, now DO SOMETHING.
The reason I get involved with these QB threads is never to tear down Brady Quinn, it is to support Derek Anderson. It makes my stomach turn when Derek has a bad practice and Quinn fans are on here high-fiving each other, or Derek throws an INT in his brief exhibition performance and the Quinraqi's fire off their guns in the street.
I would love to see you guys celebrating because Brady Quinn went out and performed like a winner and champion and won this contest hands down. He's totally capable of doing it. But he hasn't.
But celebrating because he sucked less? Seriously?
Anderson is "melting down" because he's upset that a receiver ran a wrong route? Really?
The "wheels are coming off" because DA misses a pass in the flat? Do I have that right?
Quit rooting against Derek Anderson and start rooting for Brady Quinn, if that's the guy you want to see start.
I like them both. And if everybody was to go after Quinn unfairly, I'd stand up for him too.
Derek Anderson is by all accounts a good guy, a gifted athlete, and a Cleveland Brown. He has won games for my team, he has thrilled me on Sundays ... I will support him as long as he wears the colors and gives his all.
Again ... I like them both. The reason you see me come to Anderson's defense so often is because the Quinn Fags annoy the shit out of me. Quit tearing down a good Cleveland Brown who might have to lead us this year ... your guy needs to STEP UP. That's when this battle ends. When Quinn steps up and his coach and his teammates say "Yeah ... that's our guy."
I just hope he does it soon, before you guys get any gayer.
Zombo
--If you root against Anderson this weekend, you better check your fandom.
Zippy nailed it, as painful as that is for me to say. I guess he has learned from my QB teachings over the years ...
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All I can really say is that after 3 starts DA had a 63% short pass completion percentage according to Pluto (2006) and BQ has a 54.4%. DA's percentage dropped the following year in his first year as a full time starter but he did go 10 5 with 3700 yards and 29 TDS. But, he has not shown any growth in his game and most certainly did not light it up in the first preseason game.
And when BQ took over last year was actually when the Browns had gotten back their receiver core, DA was the QB that did not have a healthy receiver core last year. But, that does not really matter only mention that because somebody said BQ took over when the Browns were not healthy.
So basically in 2006 the Browns were 4 -12 and DA got 3 starts and put up some stats to compare with BQ's 2008 starts when the Browns were 4 - 12. As you prolly know those stats were almost identical with DA having a slightly higher completion percentage. The way it looks BQ will get to start this season with a new OC, a favorable schedule and by all accounts upgraded talent. Sound familiar? Let us hope that BQ's first 7 or 8 games as a full time starter are similar to what DA did and then the mirroring stops. Let us hope that when defenses start to game plan for BQ that his performance does not drop off.
Important to remember that youth and first year starting is NOT an excuse. He must come in and show growth, he must beat the good teams and not just the bad teams this year and drops by receivers and a bad defense are no excuse for losing. There is allot of pressure on BQ to be a franchise QB and not allot of time to prove it. DA got 27 starts but it only took around 12 for most people to decide he was not the answer. He had a decent first 3 in 2006 on a horrible team and then had a good first 7 in 2007. By week 11 and two not great games he was branded as a one hit wonder. BQ needs to be held to the same standard as DA. And it is a good standard to set. You want and deserve a Super Bowl QB, not a winning QB but a star.
I agree that DA is not the answer in Cleveland. I guess I am just not thinking that BQ has done anything to prove he will be more than a capable NFL QB. But I will hold judgement for at least this season. Because even if he tears it up the first half of the year that does not really matter, it matters what happens in the last part of the year when the defenses are game planning for him.
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All I can really say is that after 3 starts DA had a 63% short pass completion percentage according to Pluto (2006) and BQ has a 54.4%. DA's percentage dropped the following year in his first year as a full time starter but he did go 10 5 with 3700 yards and 29 TDS. But, he has not shown any growth in his game and most certainly did not light it up in the first preseason game.
And when BQ took over last year was actually when the Browns had gotten back their receiver core, DA was the QB that did not have a healthy receiver core last year. But, that does not really matter only mention that because somebody said BQ took over when the Browns were not healthy.
So basically in 2006 the Browns were 4 -12 and DA got 3 starts and put up some stats to compare with BQ's 2008 starts when the Browns were 4 - 12. As you prolly know those stats were almost identical with DA having a slightly higher completion percentage. The way it looks BQ will get to start this season with a new OC, a favorable schedule and by all accounts upgraded talent. Sound familiar? Let us hope that BQ's first 7 or 8 games as a full time starter are similar to what DA did and then the mirroring stops. Let us hope that when defenses start to game plan for BQ that his performance does not drop off.
Important to remember that youth and first year starting is NOT an excuse. He must come in and show growth, he must beat the good teams and not just the bad teams this year and drops by receivers and a bad defense are no excuse for losing. There is allot of pressure on BQ to be a franchise QB and not allot of time to prove it. DA got 27 starts but it only took around 12 for most people to decide he was not the answer. He had a decent first 3 in 2006 on a horrible team and then had a good first 7 in 2007. By week 11 and two not great games he was branded as a one hit wonder. BQ needs to be held to the same standard as DA. And it is a good standard to set. You want and deserve a Super Bowl QB, not a winning QB but a star.
I agree that DA is not the answer in Cleveland. I guess I am just not thinking that BQ has done anything to prove he will be more than a capable NFL QB. But I will hold judgement for at least this season. Because even if he tears it up the first half of the year that does not really matter, it matters what happens in the last part of the year when the defenses are game planning for him.
And when BQ took over last year was actually when the Browns had gotten back their receiver core
this is an often overlooked point by BQ Nation.
The Bronco game was the first time that Braylon, Donte, and Winslow were on the field at the same time.
It should have been a real layup for Quinnie.
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Zombo said:
We knew accuracy on the short (and mid-range) passes was Anderson's achilles heel coming into this ... I stated many times in the offseason that it's a tough thing to suddenly correct, which is why I gave the edge to Quinn: Not because he's fiery, has big muscles, aced the wonderlic or looks good above Rif's sickbed (just above the Puffies and the inhaler) ... but because of more accurate passing.The fact that Anderson is still showing the same tendencies and Quinn still has not beat him out ... is troubling.
It's because Brady Quinn hasn't done enough yet. I repeat my mantra: we love you Brady, now DO SOMETHING.
The reason I get involved with these QB threads is never to tear down Brady Quinn, it is to support Derek Anderson. It makes my stomach turn when Derek has a bad practice and Quinn fans are on here high-fiving each other, or Derek throws an INT in his brief exhibition performance and the Quinraqi's fire off their guns in the street.
I would love to see you guys celebrating because Brady Quinn went out and performed like a winner and champion and won this contest hands down. He's totally capable of doing it. But he hasn't.
But celebrating because he sucked less? Seriously?
Anderson is "melting down" because he's upset that a receiver ran a wrong route? Really?
The "wheels are coming off" because DA misses a pass in the flat? Do I have that right?
Quit rooting against Derek Anderson and start rooting for Brady Quinn, if that's the guy you want to see start.
I like them both. And if everybody was to go after Quinn unfairly, I'd stand up for him too.
Derek Anderson is by all accounts a good guy, a gifted athlete, and a Cleveland Brown. He has won games for my team, he has thrilled me on Sundays ... I will support him as long as he wears the colors and gives his all.
Again ... I like them both. The reason you see me come to Anderson's defense so often is because the Quinn Fags annoy the shit out of me. Quit tearing down a good Cleveland Brown who might have to lead us this year ... your guy needs to STEP UP. That's when this battle ends. When Quinn steps up and his coach and his teammates say "Yeah ... that's our guy."
I just hope he does it soon, before you guys get any gayer.
Zombo
--If you root against Anderson this weekend, you better check your fandom.
Zippy nailed it, as painful as that is for me to say. I guess he has learned from my QB teachings over the years ...
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And when BQ took over last year was actually when the Browns had gotten back their receiver core
this is an often overlooked point by BQ Nation.
The Bronco game was the first time that Braylon, Donte, and Winslow were on the field at the same time.
It should have been a real layup for Quinnie.
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You know, I generally like Pluto better than the other talking head pundits, but even he is having a hard time angling for a story on this dead horse topic. The problem I have with this article is, he tries to come of factual, but the only true facts you can take away from the article are:
• Anderson's short pass completion percentage last year was 54.2; Quinn's was 54.4.
• Two years separate the two in age. (Well, they're actually only 16 months apart in age, but who's counting...besides Pluto.)
If you're trying to make a case for one guy being clearly ahead of the other, these stats sure aren't accomplishing that.
Read the sentence right after Quinn's percentage. You got a sampling of 10 quarters of play vs. a whole lot more attempts. The real point Pluto is making is the trend with DA.
Two years separate them in age on the planet, but 25+ NFL starts and 2 years of being in the NFL do separate them in NFL age/experience.
Masters said:
Read the sentence right after Quinn's percentage. You got a sampling of 10 quarters of play vs. a whole lot more attempts. The real point Pluto is making is the trend with DA.That is a good point, and I did understand that when reading. However, if the point of your argument (Pluto) is statistics, and then you argue that Quinn's history in the NFL doesn't provide a large enough (or accurate enough) sample to judge, then why make that the argument for your article? It's kind of much ado about nothing...again.
Masters said:
Two years separate them in age on the planet, but 25+ NFL starts and 2 years of being in the NFL do separate them in NFL age/experience.Again, true (although it's really only 16 months...they are basically the same age.) Although Quinn has 4-years of starting experience at arguably one of the nation's top college football programs (at least at the time) that ran an "NFL type" offense. He was billed as the most "NFL ready" QB in the draft where he was selected in the first round. Clearly, he has "the pedigree" which is why we are all excited.
Anderson, on the other hand, does not have that pedigree...or that college experience to pull from. You never know what one's path to success will be and this still feels very much like apples to oranges, no matter what inconclusive stats you parade about.
And by the way...I am truly one of those guys who could truly care about WHO the QB is, as long as they are successful.
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@shepwrite said:
He busted his finger in the first half of his second start (in horrible weather conditions).RE:HORRIBLE WEATHER CONDITIONS
During the Buffalo game on 11/17/08 the temp varied between 28 and 26, the wind varied from 4 mph to 12 mph, and snow began falling at approximately 11:20pm. A total of 0.01" of precipitation fell during the game. Snow did not accumulate in the stadium during the game.
shep, are you implying that Quinnie is very sensitive to these playing conditions and that he will continue to perform poorly in conditions similar to this in the future?
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