Mangini. PICK A DAMN QB ALREADY!!!!
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@shepwrite said:
Cmac, you need to come back to reality: Quinn had one healthy start. That's it. Then he broke the index finger on his passing hand, which is just about as bad as it gets this side of an amputation.One game, passer rating of 104. That's all we got on the guy we drafted with a first AND second pick. Hmmmm... think we should play him for a while?
It's a no brainer unless the other guy led the league in passing last year. He did precisely the opposite, finishing 32nd.
You keep coming back to one healthy start. Well if his hand was so bad then why was he still playing? Or is it possible it just got worse by game 3. You say one healthy game because if you took his whole sample size then it does not support your position. I understand that, and that is why I choose to not count DAs first 3 games last year when looking at him.
And I don't care that BQ was a LATE first round pick that the previous regime that you your self have called not the brightest drafted. All I say is stop using that ONE game as BQs only sample size because it is not his only sample size. In all 4 games that BQ has played he has completed LESS than 50% of his passes and has completed a lower percentage of short passes than DA has.
BQ started two preseason games last year and got lots of playing time in 3 preseason games. He did not show anything special in any of those three games, but an arguement in your favor for BQ is that from the highlights I saw of his time in the one preseason game this year he looked better than last preseason even though he did not get results.
I also always see you and others say that DA had 18 bad weeks and that is plain and simply not true. He did have SEVERAL bad games in that 18 weeks but he also had many good games and one great game. But overall in his last 18 starts he has not done as well as anybody would like. I believe his overall record is 9 and 9 in those starts 6 -3 in 2007 and 3 - 6 in 2008.
Yes DA was the 32nd rank passer last year, not a great performance. But, if you take out his concussion games then he is closer to a 85 rating which would be middle of the pack. Still not what you are looking for but not as bad as you make it seem. But since DAs concussion games count so do BQs. So BQ had a sample size of 2 1/2 games and a rating of 66.6 and completed a very low 50.6 completion percentage. And you can say one healthy start all you want but that is NOT the only game BQ played and it is not his only sample size NO MATTER how many times you say it.
Like I said earlier, stop trying to say why DA should not be the QB. Stick with why BQ should start and please, oh please stop trying to say that BQ only has ONE start to judge him on. You can make enough of an argument on why BQ should start without fixing the stats to one healthy start.
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the worst D in the stadium that day was the one wearing blue.
On another note, there's a question I've been pondering:
If Anderson outplays Quinnie this Saturday, will there be a thread titled "DON'T PICK A QB YET!!!!"
the worst D in the stadium that day was the one wearing blue.
On another note, there's a question I've been pondering:
If Anderson outplays Quinnie this Saturday, will there be a thread titled "DON'T PICK A QB YET!!!!"
Unfortunately for you, your boyfriend didn't ace his first 27 auditions - so we have alot of fans wanting an upgrade to the QB position. Here's a reminder of how Dumb Ass started us off on the wrong foot in 2008: 28-10 loss to Dallas followed by 10-6 loss to Pittsburgh followed by 28-10 loss to Baltimore. Looks like the definition of a regressing QB to me, which ultimately led to a regressing offense.
DA just isn't taking advantage of his huge edge in starting experience. His best case scenario at Green Bay shouldn't have been the 3 and out but it was. He threw an INT that kept us from moving the chains in another drive. He would finish with a ZERO passer rating.
Quinn was far from perfect; but he moved the chains consistently enough to get us in the opponent's red zone twice. One time our FG kicker missed and another time Edwards dropped a TD pass. I refer to these situations as scoring opportunities Dumb Ass wasn't quite capable of. Since it's preseason, I'm just trying to see what guy moves the team better.
- Tom F.
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@inspecta said:
This post just goes to show how little you know about Browns fans. We don't tolerate shitty play at the QB position, and while some of us may give a leash, in the end we will come down on BQ just as hard as we did DA if after 20 something starts he's still playing shitty.Nobody on this board has loyalty to BQ that surpasses that of the team. NOBODY.
I can agree that you might not. But people started coming down on DA long before 20 starts. It was much closer to right after the Seahawk game. In those 8 starts DA went 5 - 3. He did not play well but as I posted earlier 3 - 0 when he "Managed" the game, 0 - 2 when he threw the ball over 40 times which is of course what you should be doing in the middle of winter in the midwest. DA played horrible against Cincy, can't argue with that. But why did he throw the ball over 40 times (those 2 ints at end of half all on DA by way).
I agree that it is time to give BQ a shot, I just don't think DA is as bad as many believe. He is still young and with good coaching he will improve. It is now BQs turn to keep DA on the bench. The ball was in DAs court last year and he did not step up, I agree with that. Now it is BQ's turn to step up, lets see how he does over a full season. If there is still a question about who the starter should be next year then it is time to draft a new QB.
I can agree that you might not. But people started coming down on DA long before 20 starts. It was much closer to right after the Seahawk game. In those 8 starts DA went 5 - 3. He did not play well but as I posted earlier 3 - 0 when he "Managed" the game, 0 - 2 when he threw the ball over 40 times which is of course what you should be doing in the middle of winter in the midwest. DA played horrible against Cincy, can't argue with that. But why did he throw the ball over 40 times (those 2 ints at end of half all on DA by way).
I agree that it is time to give BQ a shot, I just don't think DA is as bad as many believe. He is still young and with good coaching he will improve. It is now BQs turn to keep DA on the bench. The ball was in DAs court last year and he did not step up, I agree with that. Now it is BQ's turn to step up, lets see how he does over a full season. If there is still a question about who the starter should be next year then it is time to draft a new QB.
I see what you are trying to say CMAC but I keep seeing a QB that regressses as the season progresses. In his first year of starts in 06, his 3rd and final start the week of Xmas was 4 INTs vrs the crappy Bucs team we would coin flip for the 3rd overall pick in the next draft. Then in 2007, he starts off with a HOT September and October but in the same Xmas week - he threw 4 INTs at Cincy on a day our running game was good enough for about 136 yards rushing. And last year he was 3-6 as a starter.
How many of the good QBs in the league have shown the trend of regressing 3 years in a row? Don't the GOOD ones usually demonstrate progress and always make everyone around them better?
I like to ask this question as often as I need to because you'll frequently find our BIGGEST rival in this group of opponent: HOW MANY times have you witnessed DA beating teams in the AFC that finished with more than 8 wins? That tells me that once the scouting reports and film replicate around the conference - he's been pretty easy to stop.
Brian Sipe was easily my favorite QB to watch play since I became a Browns' fan in the 60s. Understanding this, if DA was playing like the next Brian Sipe - I wouldn't give a rat if Quinn stayed or sprayed.
At some point, this franchise has to consider getting past "once upon a time" so we can explore the possibility of "happily ever after."
- Tom F.
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Shep
I do like the 'few' posts you make and the 'occaisional' thread here and there. But in order to keep my dinner down, i may need to put you on ignore till regular season begins.
If i had my dead horse icon handy, it would be sizzling hot at this point.
Dano- carry on.
mz. said:
I do not wear funny pants.
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I agree that BQ should start this year. I just disagree on how bad DA really is. I can agree that he has not shown good progression, but I do not think that he has regressed as much as you think. That is pretty much all. I have already posted many times why I feel this way so I will not repeat it again.
We can agree on that BQ should start this year to see what he has in the tank and we can agree to disagree on what we think of DA.
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How about this......since Big Gay Ben is "injured" why don't we "give" DA to the Steelers! This would accomplish two things! With DA as P-burgs quarterback we would have a great chance of winning (2) games in the division and our defense ranking in the area of interceptions and sacks would go up!
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HI guys,
Long time lurker. What time are the starting lineups announced? Has Mangini announced a starter for today's game?
Kid
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Sorry to say but if you put DA under center in Pittsburgh the team would be about the same.. The coaches would put him in a position to shine and the defense would save his ass when he made a mistake... The difference between the two teams is the stoolers have playmakers whereas the Browns have only a few....
It's not all about the QB... In my case, I'll reserve judgement on Quinn until I see how he performs against Pittsburgh... Since our rebirth, the only QB that understood the importance of the Stooler game was Tim Couch, to all the others it was just another game....
How Quinn plays against LeBeau will seal the deal for me.....
However, IMO Quinn will be the starter come opening day....
Peace
T.Dawg
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@jadbf said:
I think you know I am closer to you than some others in this argument are in our opinions. But can you tell me which games you count as DA's "concusion games"? do you include games after the giants game?The first 3 games of the 2008 season. And I am not sure they are all concussion games, it is just the game I picked. I am positive he was effected in the first game after that I think it is all conjecture. And for the record I thought DA should had been benched after game 3 and BQ put in then against the Bengals. But I am just saying I don't think he is as bad as most say, not that he should still start.
And yes DA did play bad against Washington, but he did not play bad against Baltimore II and the Jags. He managed the game well against cincy in week 4 then had a bye week before the Giants where he played really well. Then followed that up with the clunker in Washington, then rebounded against the Jags and had a good game against Baltimore. If BE does not drop that sure TD pass at the end of the third quarter the Browns win that game, but he did and that is reality. But basically I feel that DA played decent to good football in 4 or his last 5 starts before being benched.
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Shep
I do like the 'few' posts you make and the 'occaisional' thread here and there. But in order to keep my dinner down, i may need to put you on ignore till regular season begins.
If i had my dead horse icon handy, it would be sizzling hot at this point.
Dano- carry on.
mz. said:
Thanks mz the pussy now everytime I stop at a stop sign I will hear that song in my head
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I agree that BQ should start this year. I just disagree on how bad DA really is. I can agree that he has not shown good progression, but I do not think that he has regressed as much as you think. That is pretty much all. I have already posted many times why I feel this way so I will not repeat it again.
We can agree on that BQ should start this year to see what he has in the tank and we can agree to disagree on what we think of DA.
I agree that BQ should start this year. I just disagree on how bad DA really is. I can agree that he has not shown good progression, but I do not think that he has regressed as much as you think. That is pretty much all. I have already posted many times why I feel this way so I will not repeat it again.
Hard to argue with any of that - thanks CMAC! You're not the type that needs to re-post anything. You do an excellent job the first time.
- Tom F.
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