Hollywood Higgins
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No.
ODB was increasingly a scapegoat for frustrated, casual football I.Q. fans. Now that Baker has had a decent game without him, they stand ready to sacrifice said scapegoat.
We won without Wyatt Teller, are you trying to tell me we're better off without a premier interior lineman? No, you wouldn't.
Fact is, Cincy doesn't have the personnel, coaching and time necessary on the field to pull off a lot of the defensive looks the Ravens and Steelers gave Baker. Beckham being gone is NOT a net positive for this team by any stretch. Your primary outside vertical threat is now lost for the season. And at some point you will see defensive coaches make us pay for that.
So for us casual football I.Q fans, we can now surmise that the next time we play either Pittsburgh or Baltimore without OBJ, then we can expect to be held to say 4 points instead of the 6.5 with OBJ...
So for us casual football I.Q fans, we can now surmise that the next time we play either Pittsburgh or Baltimore without OBJ, then we can expect to be held to say 4 points instead of the 6.5 with OBJ...
Even if get held to 0 points, we wouldn't have a new OBJ thread by Icecube on Sunday afternoon, and I would call that an improvement.
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I truly do not understand this comment.
In the NFL single covered is as close to "open" as receivers get most plays.
I could have worded it better. My point was, the first throw in the last game he had OBJ 1 on 1 on the outside, but he wasn't really open. I think he was predetermined to throw there because it was OBJ rather than find another receiver who was more open so to speak.
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I truly do not understand this comment.
In the NFL single covered is as close to "open" as receivers get most plays.
I could have worded it better. My point was, the first throw in the last game he had OBJ 1 on 1 on the outside, but he wasn't really open. I think he was predetermined to throw there because it was OBJ rather than find another receiver who was more open so to speak.
I could have worded it better. My point was, the first throw in the last game he had OBJ 1 on 1 on the outside, but he wasn't really open. I think he was predetermined to throw there because it was OBJ rather than find another receiver who was more open so to speak.
How much time do you think a QB has to find someone "open"...? Open is based on coverage, not so much in terms of separation, but what you're reading vis a vis the concept being executed. When a QB see's a certain coverage shell and personnel alignment, he's going to scratch off reads in his own head just based on that alone the majority of the time.
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I truly do not understand this comment.
In the NFL single covered is as close to "open" as receivers get most plays.
I could have worded it better. My point was, the first throw in the last game he had OBJ 1 on 1 on the outside, but he wasn't really open. I think he was predetermined to throw there because it was OBJ rather than find another receiver who was more open so to speak.
I could have worded it better. My point was, the first throw in the last game he had OBJ 1 on 1 on the outside, but he wasn't really open. I think he was predetermined to throw there because it was OBJ rather than find another receiver who was more open so to speak.
OBJ was about as open on Baker's 1st pass as Peeps was on Baker's last.
tia... if you look at the all-22, I'm curious if the above two plays were the same...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I could have worded it better. My point was, the first throw in the last game he had OBJ 1 on 1 on the outside, but he wasn't really open. I think he was predetermined to throw there because it was OBJ rather than find another receiver who was more open so to speak.
OBJ was about as open on Baker's 1st pass as Peeps was on Baker's last.
tia... if you look at the all-22, I'm curious if the above two plays were the same...
OBJ was about as open on Baker's 1st pass as Peeps was on Baker's last.
tia... if you look at the all-22, I'm curious if the above two plays were the same...
Also tia, I read a tweet that said it appeared Baker had to move to his second read like twice all game.
If you do look at the All-22, I wonder if this is true.
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I could have worded it better. My point was, the first throw in the last game he had OBJ 1 on 1 on the outside, but he wasn't really open. I think he was predetermined to throw there because it was OBJ rather than find another receiver who was more open so to speak.
OBJ was about as open on Baker's 1st pass as Peeps was on Baker's last.
tia... if you look at the all-22, I'm curious if the above two plays were the same...
OBJ was about as open on Baker's 1st pass as Peeps was on Baker's last.
tia... if you look at the all-22, I'm curious if the above two plays were the same...
Also tia, I read a tweet that said it appeared Baker had to move to his second read like twice all game.
If you do look at the All-22, I wonder if this is true.
More on that tomorrow when it's available.
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They don't give the Mackey Award to incompetent people...
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They don't give the Mackey Award to incompetent people...
They don't give the Mackey Award to incompetent people...
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
They don't give the Mackey Award to incompetent people...
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At killing people, Hernandez was very competent.
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Oops...
At killing people, Hernandez was very competent.
At killing people, Hernandez was very competent.
At not getting caught..........well not so competent since he left his CCTV running.??
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I could have worded it better. My point was, the first throw in the last game he had OBJ 1 on 1 on the outside, but he wasn't really open. I think he was predetermined to throw there because it was OBJ rather than find another receiver who was more open so to speak.
OBJ was about as open on Baker's 1st pass as Peeps was on Baker's last.
tia... if you look at the all-22, I'm curious if the above two plays were the same...
OBJ was about as open on Baker's 1st pass as Peeps was on Baker's last.
tia... if you look at the all-22, I'm curious if the above two plays were the same...
Back with an answer...
As far as the plays being the same? No.
DPJ and Bryant were running a divide to the boundary. When Odell got hurt it was a hitch-square combo with Hoop & Juice and ODB on the 9 by his lonesome. But the real question is ball placement. The throw to ODB on his injury was piss poor at best. It wasn't an attempt at back-shoulder, it wasn't a deliberate underthrow. It was short and inside, plain and simple.
On the DPJ touchdown however - Can't tell. Part of me thinks the backshoulder was intentional because when Baker starts his release, DPJ is even with the DB. So it may be a case of not having that timing, chemistry and understanding of your own WR down as much as we'd like. On the other hand, putting the ball back inside is questionable as hell because if that pass is at the back pylon, there was no way that safety would have affected the play either.
Also tia, I read a tweet that said it appeared Baker had to move to his second read like twice all game.
If you do look at the All-22, I wonder if this is true.
I went through most of the 1st quarter to when he started connecting on passes. Cincy did.... not make it difficult. To say the least.
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