Baker Mayfield
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You completely missed the point of the post you are referring to. Reread it.
Maybe, I am pretty stoned right now but I can give it a try, hard to even type
Maybe, I am pretty stoned right now but I can give it a try, hard to even type
We've all been there! ?
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I think he's even recovered 1 or 2 of the strip sacks.
Stripping and sacks. An interesting combination.
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Thanks, I guess?
If you read my earlier posts in this thread, I've made it pretty clear that I like Baker Mayfield as a person, and I want him to succeed for this team.
But, the critics do have a point: he plays well enough against middle of the road teams and crap teams, but he's horrible playing against good teams. He's also prone to make stupid throwing decisions at a concerning rate.
Am I glad he balled out on Sunday? Absolutely; a win is a win. But if we're going to make a deep run in the playoffs, we'll have to go through some great teams to do that, and I'm concerned about Baker's decision making in those types of games.
I don't have a problem with what you said for the most part. I think you were just trying to be honest. Looked to me like Zombo got sick of reading all of the bitching and moaning in here like it's a sorority house on the rag; so he used your post to reply to a lot more people than just you.
When our defense shows up to compete - we should remember Baker was the starting QB when Cleveland beat the Ratbirds in his rookie year and again last year (and that was a blowout win fwiw). This team was 0-16 the year before Baker arrived; and it was 0-1-1 when he took his very first snap with a 10 point deficit as a rookie. He erased that deficit almost immediately and led the Browns to a W in his very first appearance. This team went 7-7 in the 1st 14 games Baker played. In the process, he broke the rookie record for TD passes with 27. What's to hate here? If that didn't show people this guy has talent/skills to tap here - they simply didn't want to see it.
Some guys like Colins A. Coward that predicted he'd suck - couldn't wait to quickly announce Baker can't beat anyone good. But apparently ONLY Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen went to bad NFL teams while Baker wasn't going to get such excuses with the 1-31 football team here in Cleveland. BTW, Josh Rosen is now on his 3rd NFL team as a member of Tampa Bay's practice squad (so now he's had as many different OCs as Baker)...
FWIW, WRs like AJ Green, Tyler Boyd and Tee Higgins aren't exactly leaving Joe Burrow talent deprived. He's also got some pretty good RBs.
I don't have a problem with what you said for the most part. I think you were just trying to be honest. Looked to me like Zombo got sick of reading all of the bitching and moaning in here like it's a sorority house on the rag; so he used your post to reply to a lot more people than just you.
When our defense shows up to compete - we should remember Baker was the starting QB when Cleveland beat the Ratbirds in his rookie year and again last year (and that was a blowout win fwiw). This team was 0-16 the year before Baker arrived; and it was 0-1-1 when he took his very first snap with a 10 point deficit as a rookie. He erased that deficit almost immediately and led the Browns to a W in his very first appearance. This team went 7-7 in the 1st 14 games Baker played. In the process, he broke the rookie record for TD passes with 27. What's to hate here? If that didn't show people this guy has talent/skills to tap here - they simply didn't want to see it.
Some guys like Colins A. Coward that predicted he'd suck - couldn't wait to quickly announce Baker can't beat anyone good. But apparently ONLY Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen went to bad NFL teams while Baker wasn't going to get such excuses with the 1-31 football team here in Cleveland. BTW, Josh Rosen is now on his 3rd NFL team as a member of Tampa Bay's practice (so now he's had as many different OCs as Baker)...
FWIW, WRs like AJ Green, Tyler Boyd and Tee Higgins aren't exactly leaving Joe Burrow talent deprived. He's also got some pretty good RBs.
And to further pile onto Mr. Coward, just to show that he just wants to have some hot take to get viewers (whether he ends up right on Baker or another), apparently after coming in for mop up duty and now being named the starter he now doesn't believe in Tua. He had an "epiphany". Just remember that Tua was "SPECIAL" and was being compared to his big man crush of Russell Wilson and Burrow was just going to be decent.
So ANYONE who wants to use Cowherd as a reference loses ALL credibility. These are just a few examples I can remember RECENTLY.
1. When Gase was hired by NYJ, they were instant SB contenders. Now, Gase is the biggest reason they are failing. I'll give him a bit of credit there as he changed a take, but only because him man crush Darnold is there.
2. A short time before the draft he called Baker undraftable and compared every aspect of him to JM. Shortly after Baker was named the backup he was a guest on his show. He told Baker he never thought or compared him to Manziel, and that Baker WOULD NOT be a bust.
3 and 4. If you ever hear Colin on the NBA, he is a big LeBron guy. But both his last year in CLE and last year with LAL, the league had passed him by and he was no longer influential or something like that. Then this year, LBJ was the MVP, and now is the most influential ever. The 2nd part of this one, last year in NBA playoffs, after game 1 of their series, Boston was head and shoulders superior to the Bucks, MIL had no chance, and Kylie was best player in East by far. After the series, Kylie is overrated and a detriment to his team
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Do people seem to forget that we used to lose against all the middle of the road teams and even weak teams? But now that Baker plays well enough to beat those teams that is not enough? Not long ago we didn't win a single game and only 1 before that, if we are going to win we have t take baby steps, Let's ride this out and see where the road with Baker leads, we are a ton better than before with Kessler, and all the others,GO BROWNS
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Why is it nobody ever mentions Peyton Manning playing in a crummy division? We are in the AFC NORTH, the toughest Division and the "experts" never mention how Peyton Manning played against shit teams? Nobody likes to give Cleveland any kind of credit at all and even if we win they have to find flaws in our victory. Yes we lost bad to the 2 games we lost against the 2 best teams. As far as Stephen A crack smoker goes and Collin Cowturd are called experts and never even played a sport. Cowturd is still crying Baker went on his show and didn't kiss his ass. GO BROWNS
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Why is it nobody ever mentions Peyton Manning playing in a crummy division? We are in the AFC NORTH, the toughest Division and the "experts" never mention how Peyton Manning played against shit teams? Nobody likes to give Cleveland any kind of credit at all and even if we win they have to find flaws in our victory. Yes we lost bad to the 2 games we lost against the 2 best teams. As far as Stephen A crack smoker goes and Collin Cowturd are called experts and never even played a sport. Cowturd is still crying Baker went on his show and didn't kiss his ass. GO BROWNS
Why is it nobody ever mentions Peyton Manning playing in a crummy division? We are in the AFC NORTH, the toughest Division and the "experts" never mention how Peyton Manning played against shit teams? Nobody likes to give Cleveland any kind of credit at all and even if we win they have to find flaws in our victory. Yes we lost bad to the 2 games we lost against the 2 best teams. As far as Stephen A crack smoker goes and Collin Cowturd are called experts and never even played a sport. Cowturd is still crying Baker went on his show and didn't kiss his ass. GO BROWNS
When I looked at our LB Corps heading into the regular season, the 1st thing I thought was we better score a ratload of points this year. While I LIKED our draft, I couldn't help thinking what happens if all the newbies being added/traded for at Safety get hurt (ie: Delpit, Harrison (2 games missed) and Karl Joseph (1-2 games)? Not only that, but Greedy Williams hasn't answered the bell at Corner yet so a team coming off only 6 wins has had to hit the depth chart in both the LB Corps and Secondary. Meaning? We better score even more points.
This offense has scored more points in 5 of the 7 games played vrs teams that didn't have elite defenses (the Colts had one but they were banged up & Safety Ronnie Harrison Jr scored for us on a pick 6 right before he got a concussion). The 2 teams that did have elite defenses are in the AFC North (to your point) and the Browns got rathoused.
The pleasant surprise of it all? The defense was leading the NFL in turnovers produced for much of this time. Not only that, but the offense is set-up to where injuries to guys like Chubb, Hooper, Teller and OBJ didn't stop the offense from doing what it had to to win.
As far as expectations go, I don't think this team is ready to compete for a conference championship yet. I predicted 9-7, which would be far more fun than we've had in a long time here. This team reminds me of 85 Browns where both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece; and helped us make the playoffs with an 8-8 record in Kosar's rookie season. The next year we added OC Lindy Infante; and the team made it's first of 3 AFC Championship appearances in the late 80s. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see this team make it to the Conference Championship this year; but I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed by unrealistic expectations.
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EXACTLY I in no way expected us to make it to the SB or even the AFC championship but we are doing way better than we have in years yet peple are saying clearly Baker is not the answer smh, How may other qb have we had thet even started this many games? Because he could not beat even weak teams let alone than the top teams. Have to take Baby steps before we can even walk and Fuck the Steelers and Ratbirds too, I hope they take turns knocking each other out of the game today, speaking of I am shocked the NFL did not flex their game?
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Speaking of shitty scheduled games, tonights Sunday Night game is Dallas vs Philadelphia. ?
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Speaking of shitty scheduled games, tonights Sunday Night game is Dallas vs Philadelphia. ?
Speaking of shitty scheduled games, tonights Sunday Night game is Dallas vs Philadelphia. ?
What do you mean? It is a battle for FIRST PLACE in the NFC East!!!
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Speaking of shitty scheduled games, tonights Sunday Night game is Dallas vs Philadelphia. ?
What do you mean? It is a battle for FIRST PLACE in the NFC East!!!
What do you mean? It is a battle for FIRST PLACE in the NFC East!!!
Besides I have WR on my FFL that plays for Philly. That makes it more interesting.?
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I'm not even going to comment about Baker today. I thought he did pretty well and did enough to win. His team let him down, which sucks, but it definitely happens. Gotta have a defense...and we certainly don't.
The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
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I'm not even going to comment about Baker today. I thought he did pretty well and did enough to win. His team let him down, which sucks, but it definitely happens. Gotta have a defense...and we certainly don't.
The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
I'm not even going to comment about Baker today. I thought he did pretty well and did enough to win. His team let him down, which sucks, but it definitely happens
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I'm not even going to comment about Baker today. I thought he did pretty well and did enough to win. His team let him down, which sucks, but it definitely happens. Gotta have a defense...and we certainly don't.
The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
No, the best part of today is that the Browns get 2 weeks off to get healthy, make adjustments and get their minds right.
They need all three, and this bye week could not have came at a better time.
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The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
No, the best part of today is that the Browns get 2 weeks off to get healthy, make adjustments and get their minds right.
They need all three, and this bye week could not have came at a better time.
No, the best part of today is that the Browns get 2 weeks off to get healthy, make adjustments and get their minds right.
They need all three, and this bye week could not have came at a better time.
In a way you're definitely right. We need to get healthy and we're definitely not, but we also lost a pretty bad one and it's going to marinate for a bit. I hate it for this team that they have to go into the bye week with this bad taste in their mouth, but perhaps it will galvanize them.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
No, you aren't.
Many of us see flaws in his game like his ability to pass out of the pocket consistently well.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
He has happy feet. And some of the awful passes he makes is because he doesn't set himself properly in a balanced passing stance. Brady is quite opposite, looks like a robot. I don't mind Baker not being a robot, but... He should exercise his footwork.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
He has happy feet. And some of the awful passes he makes is because he doesn't set himself properly in a balanced passing stance. Brady is quite opposite, looks like a robot. I don't mind Baker not being a robot, but... He should exercise his footwork.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
He has happy feet. And some of the awful passes he makes is because he doesn't set himself properly in a balanced passing stance. Brady is quite opposite, looks like a robot. I don't mind Baker not being a robot, but... He should exercise his footwork.
Exorcise???
He has happy feet. And some of the awful passes he makes is because he doesn't set himself properly in a balanced passing stance. Brady is quite opposite...
Did you see this in the LV game? I ask because our OL pitched the proverbial shutout... 0 sacks... 0 knockdowns... 0 pressures... 0 hurries. PFF gave us the highest PassPro grade they have given since 2013. https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/03/browns-offensive-line-pass-protection-vs-raiders-no-pressure/
We all know a relatively calm 2018 Mayfield earned his happy-feet behind our 2019 sieve. While he's shown them in 2020, it'd take a while to get 2019 out of his head. Personally I see improvement in the first 3 seconds of his dropbacks. After that? Well... it's time to move anyway.
As for Brady... TB12 does often bounce on his toes in the pocket, which I understand is different from happyfeet... buy he also has one other thing that can't be taught to Baker... height. At 6'4-3/8" (Combine measured) he can see things over the line that Baker will always have to search for between helmets.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
No. You are not, and if you like Burrows, then you should watch the kid that plays for the Chargers...
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